Unexpected development. New ball Python.

As some of you know, I had reserved a young carpet Python from a breeder and had set up a tub for her. I was at the petstore yesterday to pick up some more climbing branches when the manager said "hey you! Snake girl!" She then proceeded to walk up to me and pull a tightly balled, absolutely freezing baby ball Python out of her jacket pocket and hand it to me. This was actually a little funny, as one of my snake phobic friends was with me and his reaction was priceless. Apparently someone brought it in and handed it to her 5 minutes before I walked in. She said that since I am a regular and they don't currently have a space for it, if I took it home with me she would pretend it never came through the door. There was a lot of back and forth, but long story short, I have it. I brought it home and put it in the tub i had set up for the carpet yearling.

I planned to purchase another tub so I grabbed a heat mat and was going to order a second thermostat on one day shipping so that I could set everything up and still be ready for the carpet hatchling on Thursday. When I got home I had a bit of an argument with my roommates. They are dead set on a one snake rule, which I find extremely arbitrary for multiple reasons, but whatever.

Now I feel like an idiot because I have given up a gorgeous snake who is already eating f/t rat pups and who has know gender, heritage, and health, for another snake of unknown feeding habits, gender, heritage, and health. It honestly never crossed my mind that this would be an "or" situation rather than an "and" situation, but she? needed me and I have her? now so the point is moot.

This tub is taller than what I have used in the past and i am having trouble keeping the ambient heat up. The hotspot above the heat mat is staying between 92 and 94 degrees but the ambient temperature is only staying between 72 and 74. How can I safely raise it? I thought about getting the second thermostat and mounting my second heat pad to the back center of the tub to try and raise the ambient temperature but would like opinions as I don't know how well that will work. Heat rises, it doesn't go straight across.

Help would be appreciated and a bit of ridicule isn't undeserved.

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Why not try to find a good home for this BP and stick with your original plans of getting the carpet python?

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Why not try to find a good home for this BP and stick with your original plans of getting the carpet python?

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This. You can get the poor snake a few days of good care, and find it a home with someone who will listen to how it should be taken care of - then disinfect the tub very, very well and prepare for your carpet python.

Looks like a nice little mojave. Honestly, stick with your plan for the carpet and find a nice new home for the ball python. It might be an inconvenience but I wouldnt pass up on the animal I wanted just because you want to help another animal out. Could try the adoption section in the forums here.

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Looks like a nice little mojave. Honestly, stick with your plan for the carpet and find a nice new home for the ball python. It might be an inconvenience but I wouldnt pass up on the animal I wanted just because you want to help another animal out. Could try the adoption section in the forums here.

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^ Depending on where you are located, someone here might even be able to give this guy/girl a good home.

I live in East Mississippi.

That may no longer be a viable option as I emailed the breeder last night and explained the situation. Judging by the lack of response I don't think he is very happy with me and I don't know how he would react to me asking him to hold her a few more weeks until I can place the Ball Python in an appropriate home.

It seems thin to me and I want to put some weight on it before it goes anywhere, and I would like to make sure it is healthy before I pass it off on someone else. It doesn't seem fair otherwise. She certainly won't be healthy if I can't get the ambient temps out of the low 70s though.

I still want a carpet Python, and I will have one. Eventually. Perhaps this guy or girl will convince my roommates that snakes are not baby eating monsters.

Back when my girlfriend and I were picking out BP morphs, she was dead set on some type of banana. She works at a pet store and there was a pied there that she had bonded with, she felt bad it was there and no one would buy it at the price they wanted, but she still deeply wanted a banana. She almost gave in and went to get it, but i told her that as much as she thinks she is doing the snake a favor, she should consider the fact that she may resent the snake because it isn't the one she fell in love with and that (as much of a jerk as I sound), she would be settling for something. She got a genetic stripe banana she wanted, and someone came and bought the pied a few days later, win win.

I sorta feel the same with this situation, you should probably find a home for the BP and get the one you've had your mind set on.

Get both and tell your roommates tuff !!
As for heat keep the hot spot around 32c which is just under 90f. Don't go above 90f. And then if it's needed put the other heat Mat on the other side keeping it at about 24-25c which is 75-77f. As long as your snake has those temps to go between the ambient temp does not matter.
If your really concerned then get a heat Mat that covers half of the bottom of the tub and has enough to go up both sides aswell which will heat up the ambient
92 -94 f is a little bit too warm.

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Originally Posted by Scottywelsh

Get both and tell your roommates tuff !!
As for heat keep the hot spot around 32c which is just under 90f. Don't go above 90f. And then if it's needed put the other heat Mat on the other side keeping it at about 24-25c which is 75-77f. As long as your snake has those temps to go between the ambient temp does not matter.
If your really concerned then get a heat Mat that covers half of the bottom of the tub and has enough to go up both sides aswell which will heat up the ambient
92 -94 f is a little bit too warm.

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This is what I would do. If you keep the snakes in your room then who cares

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^Pretty much what I'd say. Just email the guy with the carpet python and say that you settled it out with your roommates or somethin like that?

I had to temporarily house a snake in a tub for medical reasons and the ambient was low for him too. I used a CHE on a stand to raise it. Worked really well.

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Set another tub up, get the Carpet and rehome the BP when you can. Tell the roomies it's just temporary, a few years or so :P Quick fast send an email to the Carpet guy and tell him you still want it, sorry for any confusion, send it along as planned. Tell the roomies that you will not be keeping the BP but it has to stay until it's healthy enough to go somewhere else and you are looking for a home for it.

You're not going to be happy with the BP as your only snake when you have your heart set on the Carpet that you've already picked out and are so excited to get.

Or you could pay for the carpet and maybe send him an extra 50 for the food and inconvenience or whatever he would feed her over the course of a month maybe. That should satisfy him.

Thanks for doing that and sorry for that happening. I suggest raising that BP back to health then finding a good home for him/her :). At least It's in good hands for now.

You pay bills right? I see it this way if they are in your room then there shouldn't be a problem. Also say you will pay a little extra for electric bc of heat devices.

As for your ambients as mentioned before just have a uth on each side. I have to do this with one of my PVC cages bc there is nowhere to mount a rhp. I have one that covers a 1/3 of cage set to 94 under substrate giving top of substrate 90 and then I have another larger heat mat that covers the remaining 2/3 set to 83 under substrate and reads 81 on top. My cool side would not be even close to the correct temp without doing this and it works very well. You could buy dimmers for the cool side mat if you can't get 4 thermostat for both hot and cool sides of both snakes. That way if the room temp changes the cool temp won't fluctuate out of a safe temp range unless the room temp drastically changed. Of course something like a Herpstat 4 would be best so you can control all with thermostats but the dimmer would work but I would use thermostats with hot sides no matter what.

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It would be just inconsiderate to bring in animals without everyone being in agreement, just because "I pay bills too". Its just asking for major issues with roommates and those issues never end well. I dont know what kind of living situation the OP is in, but it isnt worth her being out of a place to live, especially when they were already willing to compromise. If she is living with several girls, they probably are already not too excited about having rats in the freezer

Also, I can also see where the roomies are coming from, having a girlfriend who works at a pet store who wants to save every single cat, dog, small animal, reptile and fish that comes into the door. You have to set a limit or you'll run the risk of being neck deep in pets, all of the tables having some sort of tank (and smelling like a zoo).

When I was single, I had 1 cat, now I have 4 cats, 2 tarantulas, 2 BP (one mine) and 4 fish in 2 different tanks. At some point (when she asked me if she can have a bearded dragon) I had to tell her not to bring one more GD thing into this house or she, her cats and spiders, fish and snake would have to pack their bags.

"Whats one more pet" is a snowball rolling down a hill.

Why don't you take the BP back to the pet store? Just a thought.

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It would be just inconsiderate to bring in animals without everyone being in agreement, just because "I pay bills too". Its just asking for major issues with roommates and those issues never end well. I dont know what kind of living situation the OP is in, but it isnt worth her being out of a place to live, especially when they were already willing to compromise.

Also, I can also see where the roomies are coming from, having a girlfriend who works at a pet store who wants to save every single cat, dog, small animal, reptile and fish that comes into the door. You have to set a limit or you'll run the risk of being neck deep in pets, all of the tables having some sort of tank (and smelling like a zoo).

When I was single, I had 1 cat, now I have 4 cats, 2 tarantulas, 2 BP (one mine) and 4 fish in 2 different tanks. At some point (when she asked me if she can have a bearded dragon) I had to tell her not to bring one more GD thing into this house or she, her cats and spiders, fish and snake would have to pack their bags.

"Whats one more pet" is a snowball rolling down a hill.

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This is true for free roaming pets and pets that spray like cats but with caged animals that defecated sparsely is a different story. It also sounded to me like her roommates wouldn't compromise, with compromise being promising to get rid of it when healthy. My general thoughts are if the animal can be happy, if you have space for it, and if you afford it you should be able to keep it. It sounded like the pet store gave her the snake for free or super cheap because they couldn't house it and its not like bp would take up that much space anyway. Two snakes is also not a plethora of animals

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This is true for free roaming pets and pets that spray like cats but with caged animals that defecated sparsely is a different story. It also sounded to me like her roommates wouldn't compromise, with compromise being promising to get rid of it when healthy. My general thoughts are if the animal can be happy, if you have space for it, and if you afford it you should be able to keep it. It sounded like the pet store gave her the snake for free or super cheap because they couldn't house it and its not like bp would take up that much space anyway. Two snakes is also not a plethora of animals

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This is just an assumption, but Im pretty sure she talked them from "no snakes" to "one snake". thats a compromise for a group of girls who are afraid of or just dont like snakes. And it seems like OP accepted that compromise, but now this unplanned situation has come up. The roommates probably think this is just a plan to bring more animals home than agreed to. Thats how people who live with others who rescue animals have to think.

Again, not saying this is the case, or that the OP is a hoarder or anything, its just me trying to see the situation from both ends. If these were the terms everyone agreed to, it would be wrong to just say screw it, i'll do what i want.

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This is just an assumption, but Im pretty sure she talked them from "no snakes" to "one snake". thats a compromise for a group of girls who are afraid of or just dont like snakes. And it seems like OP accepted that compromise, but now this unplanned situation has come up. The roommates probably think this is just a plan to bring more animals home than agreed to. Thats how people who live with others who rescue animals have to think.

Again, not saying this is the case, or that the OP is a hoarder or anything, its just me trying to see the situation from both ends. If these were the terms everyone agreed to, it would be wrong to just say screw it, i'll do what i want.

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Yes. One of them doesn't mind but the others don't react well to any sort of reptile or amphibian. Or most insects, for that matter. I did indeed talk them from "No snakes!" to "One. If I am convinced it can't escape from whatever contraption you put it in. But you will keep it away from me and I will not look at it or what it eats."


I have a cat and now the python, which they did just give me because they don't have room for her right now. The other animals in the house don't belong to me. Rocking the boat on this would be unadvisable. This is their place, I just stay here and help with bills.

I cut down the heat pad and have the hotspot down to 90. I have ordered another thermostat for the second heat mat on one day shipping to put on the cool side.

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Yes. One of them doesn't mind but the others don't react well to any sort of reptile or amphibian. Or most insects, for that matter. I did indeed talk them from "No snakes!" to "One. If I am convinced it can't escape from whatever contraption you put it in. But you will keep it away from me and I will not look at it or what it eats."


I have a cat and now the python, which they did just give me because they don't have room for her right now. The other animals in the house don't belong to me. Rocking the boat on this would be unadvisable. This is their place, I just stay here and help with bills.

I cut down the heat pad and have the hotspot down to 90. I have ordered another thermostat for the second heat mat on one day shipping to put on the cool side.

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Ha! I was pretty spot on!


Im not sure how well a heating pad would do to heat a tub up 10 degrees. Im not sure about a tub but I dont think it would do anything to a tank. Your best bet would probably be to put a lamp over it, a desk lamp would do, as long as its raised up enough to not melt the plastic. I figure a regular desk lamp and bulb would spread the heat across the length of the tub and evenly raise the heat inside. Of course monitoring it to find the sweet spot to hit 80 or whatever youre looking for.

Ok well it's a completely different story if it's their house, their house their rules. I was under the impression that you all were on a lease on renting an apartment or house. Compromise is the number one thing either way and at least they met you half way.

HanabiraAsashi I didn't state she should start an argument bc the she pays bills. Also stated about talking about paying more to help compromise. Number one reason I don't have Facebook or belong to many internet groups, except this one bc of the great members, is bc people automatically think the worse and add there own words in people's posts and can't hear the tone and mindset in which it was stated. I'm a very positive polite person and would never try to put someone in a situation that could potentially hurt them. Just wanted to make that clear so no one else takes my post the wrong way.

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It wasnt really directed at you, at least 3 people pretty much said "Just do it anyway".. i just wanted to voice that it probably isnt really that simple, and in most cases, its a real jerk thing to do.

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It wasnt really directed at you, at least 3 people pretty much said "Just do it anyway".. i just wanted to voice that it probably isnt really that simple, and in most cases, its a real jerk thing to do.

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I would argue in most cases it doesn't matter and not a jerk thing to do. I would agree with you on this case because the roommates own the house but in an apartment where you both pay rent and the snake would live in your room I don't think it is out of the question and jerk is not the word I would describe a person that adopts the snake but rather the roommates for imposing sanctions on their space.

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I would argue in most cases it doesn't matter and not a jerk thing to do. I would agree with you on this case because the roommates own the house but in an apartment where you both pay rent and the snake would live in your room I don't think it is out of the question and jerk is not the word I would describe a person that adopts the snake but rather the roommates for imposing sanctions on their space.

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It does matter actually. You still have to be considerate of the other people you rent with, just because you pay a share doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want. Unless you own the place and you rent it to the other tenants. I didnt say she was a jerk for adopting a snake in need, i simply said that those saying that she should go back in the agreement of one snake and just do whatever she wants because she pays bills would be a jerk thing to do. Its just asking for roommate issues, and no one wants there to be issues at home, why create them?

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It does matter actually. You still have to be considerate of the other people you rent with, just because you pay a share doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want. Unless you own the place and you rent it to the other tenants. I didnt say she was a jerk for adopting a snake in need, i simply said that those saying that she should go back in the agreement of one snake and just do whatever she wants because she pays bills would be a jerk thing to do. Its just asking for roommate issues, and no one wants there to be issues at home, why create them?

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This, all of this.

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It does matter actually. You still have to be considerate of the other people you rent with, just because you pay a share doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want. Unless you own the place and you rent it to the other tenants. I didnt say she was a jerk for adopting a snake in need, i simply said that those saying that she should go back in the agreement of one snake and just do whatever she wants because she pays bills would be a jerk thing to do. Its just asking for roommate issues, and no one wants there to be issues at home, why create them?

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You have to be considerate in public spaces but in your own personal room they should not have control over how you live. Especially if they will likely not see, hear, smell, or have to deal with anything about the animal. Again, it makes sense for a dog or cat or another free roaming animal or if you were doing something illegal in your personal space then I would agree with you, but a roommate giving rules for a caged animal that has no sound, that very seldomly smells, that wont be out in public spaces much is ridiculous to me. Even the fact that they had a rule in the first place (if you both rented and if there snakes are in your room) is ridiculous to me. Yes, you should be considerate to roommates but i would argue this should only be towards shared spaces or if your personal space overflows to shared (smell/ sound) but if it's not bothering and they don't interact with it at all then there is nothing to be considerate of. Especially since OP (if they were a shared roommate) would merely be fostering the snake and not keeping the baby. Another point to keep in mind is being overly considerate to a controlling roommate can cause just as much dissention as not being considerate at all. Either way I don't really think it's fair to call people names for this scenario and I think keeping the snake for a couple weeks was a viable solution

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If the rule was agreed upon, someone is fearful/uncomfortable with having a snake in their house, and it's THEIR (roommates) house, there should be no discussion about it.

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If the op had a lease with them then maybe a compromise could be made such as allowing the other roommates have something that they previously agreed they could not but unfortunately this is not the case. The op is on someone else's property so she has no say in what's allowed and what is not. The roommates were kind enough to give her a roof over her head and went from no snake to 1 snake, that's more than generous.

It would not be wise to sneak something in. There was just a recent post of a kid who snuck a snake in to his parents house, in which he lived, and we all know how what his consequences were. The thing is these people are not her parents so the consequences could be more extreme such as being kicked out. Even if they shared a lease and she snuck another snake in the roommates could leave and she would have to pay all the bills and if she couldn't then she could be kicked out by the landlord. In either situation it would not if be wise to go behind someone's back.

Advice for the OP is since you received the snake for free you could find a breeder or a rescue and give it to them and you won't be out any money. If you bought extra supplies for this one they can be either used for the carpet python or as back up. It's always good to have back up!

Other then that this thread has taken a turn for the worse and there isn't much else that can be said.

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If the op had a lease with them then maybe a compromise could be made such as allowing the other roommates have something that they previously agreed they could not but unfortunately this is not the case. The op is on someone else's property so she has no say in what's allowed and what is not. The roommates were kind enough to give her a roof over her head and went from no snake to 1 snake, that's more than generous.

It would not be wise to sneak something in. There was just a recent post of a kid who snuck a snake in to his parents house, in which he lived, and we all know how what his consequences were. The thing is these people are not her parents so the consequences could be more extreme such as being kicked out. Even if they shared a lease and she snuck another snake in the roommates could leave and she would have to pay all the bills and if she couldn't then she could be kicked out by the landlord. In either situation it would not if be wise to go behind someone's back.

Advice for the OP is since you received the snake for free you could find a breeder or a rescue and give it to them and you won't be out any money. If you bought extra supplies for this one they can be either used for the carpet python or as back up. It's always good to have back up!

Other then that this thread has taken a turn for the worse and there isn't much else that can be said.

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I would agree with this. Having them own the house is entirely different scenario but also the kid posting is a different scenario because he is a dependent. I apologize for getting off topic with a hypothetical but I still stand by what I said. In this case you should try to pass on the new snake to a fit owner asap so you can get the carpet

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If the rule was agreed upon, someone is fearful/uncomfortable with having a snake in their house, and it's THEIR (roommates) house, there should be no discussion about it.

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I agree. What I was arguing was that people should not be called jerks for considering bringing two snakes into the house for a short time in a different situation (aka the roommate not owning the house).

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(This isn't directed at you, Soord, as I understand you're talking about under different circumstances.)
I personally would consider it a jerk move to bring in a second snake against the homeowners wishes, I've personally done that before and it loses you trust and causes arguments and it's just stressful. It's okay to ponder the idea and what-not, but if they go to the homeowners and discuss it and still get turned down they should respect that.

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(This isn't directed at you, Soord, as I understand you're talking about under different circumstances.)
I personally would consider it a jerk move to bring in a second snake against the homeowners wishes, I've personally done that before and it loses you trust and causes arguments and it's just stressful. It's okay to ponder the idea and what-not, but if they go to the homeowners and discuss it and still get turned down they should respect that.

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I am sorry. I didn't mean to start an argument here :(

Would putting the tub inside another tub with a second heat mat on the inside back wall and fewer vent holes insulate it enough to raise the temp? I am a bit hesitant about the che because there is a six year old in the house and a new baby on the way. The tub is put up, obviously, but kids are, well, kids and I don't want to see her get burned or start a fire.

I probably should have remembered that it is easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission, but I don't like to make people uncomfortable. Particularly when they know when and where I sleep.

Also, my order from BigCheese came in today while I was at work. THAT was a fun phone call. I have to purchase solid colored Tupperware containers on the way home.

Haha i figured the rats would be an interesting topic with the roomates. What I did was get a foodsaver handheld vacuum sealer and a 13 inch cushioned laptop/tablet case.

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As far as your heating goes, its unconventional, but a thermostat regulated UTH on the side of an outside tub and the probe inside the snake's tub to turn it off when it reaches your desired temp -should- work. Honestly if a kid is dumb enough to touch a hot lamp.. more power to them, but you shouldnt need a CHE, just a regular lamp should do. Something to think about, if you have to worry about a 6yr old touching or knocking over a lamp heating your tub, I would be more worried about the kid opening the tub and letting it out.

THE OR IS NOW AN AND!

Due to wails of protest from the six year old when I mentioned possibly re homing the BP when it is healthy and the BPs totally nonthreatening personality, they have agreed st allow both with the understanding that it is a hard limit and I am not to rescue any more reptiles regardless of the situation.

I am SO HAPPY! And am NOT going to mention the fact that the carpet is going to be more active and willing to bite.

I will be modifying a shorter tub for the ball Python and moving the carpet into this enclosure. I can soak the tub in chlorhexidine and move the plants, bowl, and hides but how should I go about sterilizing the branches? They are real wood with metal screws inside them.

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THE OR IS NOW AN AND!

Due to wails of protest from the six year old when I mentioned possibly re homing the BP when it is healthy and the BPs totally nonthreatening personality, they have agreed st allow both with the understanding that it is a hard limit and I am not to rescue any more reptiles regardless of the situation.

I am SO HAPPY! And am NOT going to mention the fact that the carpet is going to be more active and willing to bite.

I will be modifying a shorter tub for the ball Python and moving the carpet into this enclosure. I can soak the tub in chlorhexidine and move the plants, bowl, and hides but how should I go about sterilizing the branches? They are real wood with metal screws inside them.

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Congratulations!!!!!! Lol kids come in handy!! I'm so happy for you and your snakes!!!! That bp is lucky to have an owner like you who cares so much! You could of just gave it away in the condition it's in so you could get the carpet python but you didn't and that says a lot about you!

As far as the branches you can wash them to get any dirt, loose bark, etc and rinse a few times then let air dry for a day then put on cookie sheet bake them in the oven at 250-300 for about half hour, just be careful of those screws bc they will be hot once they come out of oven. Also make sure it's ok with your roommates to bake the wood in the oven. You could also probably just bake it without washing first but make sure you get any loose particles off so they don't drop into the oven and catch fire. Either way keep an eye on it. There's other ways such as diluted bleach but that takes tons of rinsing to make sure all the bleach is out of the wood.

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THE OR IS NOW AN AND!

Due to wails of protest from the six year old when I mentioned possibly re homing the BP when it is healthy and the BPs totally nonthreatening personality, they have agreed st allow both with the understanding that it is a hard limit and I am not to rescue any more reptiles regardless of the situation.

I am SO HAPPY! And am NOT going to mention the fact that the carpet is going to be more active and willing to bite.

I will be modifying a shorter tub for the ball Python and moving the carpet into this enclosure. I can soak the tub in chlorhexidine and move the plants, bowl, and hides but how should I go about sterilizing the branches? They are real wood with metal screws inside them.

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Awesome - Congratulations! BP's make the best snake ambassadors, I think.

Thats awesome, it does make me worry more about the kid though. If she is interested in the BP and your room isnt locked, you may want to consider child proofing either your room or the snakes (or both). Especially with the carpet, last thing you need is a 6yr old sneaking into your room and grabbing the carpet python and getting bit. If I know moms, SOMEHOW it'll be your fault.

My entire collection started because my daughter wanted a snake and it exponentially multiplied from there.

Yeah, I plan on getting the locking AP enclosures ASAP. I'll just get a RHP and set the tub on the cool side of the cage with its heatmat still on and running It will probably look funny but it will be secure and I can stop fighting with my ambient temperature.

I have some questions about my setups but it is about time to start another thread, I think.

Quick update. S/he ate for me last night. I was a bit surprised, I had kind of assumed since someone surrendered him/her and s/he is underweight, that I would have problems, but s/he took a f/t rat pup after less than a 30 second zombie dance.

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Quick update. S/he ate for me last night. I was a bit surprised, I had kind of assumed since someone surrendered him/her and s/he is underweight, that I would have problems, but s/he took a f/t rat pup after less than a 30 second zombie dance.

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It might have just been eating the wrong prey size or not being fed often enough. Your conditions could be better then its previous environment and it is no longer stressed so is eating. Either way I'm glad to hear it!!!!!

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