What can I breed my male albino to?

I am clueless when it comes to the genetics of these snakes, I know that albino is recessive. Is there even anything that I can breed it to to produce something other than another albino? I plan on getting a piebald soon either way, would that produce anything? Thanks for the help.

With recessive genes you would need to breed the albino to a het albino female to produce 50% albinos, and 50% het albinos. If you bred the albino to a piebald you would get 100% of the offspring as double het for both albino and piebald.

A pied and an albino would make 100% double hets. Meaning they are normals but carrying the genes for both albino and pied. So if you breed two siblings together you would have a chance at albino pieds.

Double recessives are a long but rewarding project in end with beautiful animals. If you were to breed an albino to a piebald you would produce all normal babies that are double het for both, then you raise them up and you can breed the siblings to each other and then each egg will have a 1/16 chance to be an albino pied

Thanks guys, I think I have a project on my hands now :). I'm not a breeder but think it would make for a happier snake. I mean honestly, if you never got any, would you be happy? Hahaha. Breeding siblings doesn't cause problems?


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Haha. Breeding your own double recessive clutch is going to take at least 3-5 years at the very minimum. If you want to dip your toes into breeding world, go grab a het albino female. They can be had for pretty reasonable cost. But honestly, breeding is not exactly "fun" for the snakes. It is super stressful on them, and YOU. Think about this for a while before getting into this.

My snake is a juvenile. I have a while. The piebald I want is still in the incubater. I'm not trying to dip my toes into breeding, I'm going to breed my personal pet snakes? How does breeding stress out a snake? Source?


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Right. What I am saying is that there is a lot to think about before breeding, rather than just seeing it as a "project." You are going to potentially be bringing living beings into the world, and need to know how you are going to care for them, find them homes, deal with sick ones etc. Breeding in reptiles is not a fun activity like with humans. Both males and females undergo physiological changes during breeding season when in contact with one another. Both tend to go off feed, and can get aggressive. Complications (egg binding etc) during the process can harm or even result in death for the female in rare cases. What happens if you get a clutch with kinked spines? How will you euthanize them? Not to mention the enormous cost of breeding even one pair. Lots to think about.

Im just saying that breeding any animal needs to be undertaken responsibly, and with TONS of research. No offense, but from your previous posts you definitely need to educate yourself on mendelian genetics, BP husbandry and breeding before you continue. You cant just slap the snakes together and hope for the best.

Breeding is stressful in the sense that the typically do not eat during the process which means you have to get them to a healthy weight to handle breeding then after the process is over you have to get them back up again. Much less of a big deal for males usually but for females it can be hard on them.

I am new to the bp scene but I bred gtps about ten years ago along with others. Some species are less affected by it such as african house snakes which I just left together all the time. They ate just fine and seemed to know when they were Ok to breed. They are one of the most prolific species of snake in the world for a reason. They are inexpensive well mannered and hardy. An excellent choice when you want to learn the process so you don't loose a bunch of eggs due to inexperienced incubating practices.

As far as the genetics, I am new to that. Previously I only bred normals, gtps were valuable enough alone at the time. There are some great calculators that will tell you what you will get by breeding certain morphs together. If I get time (and my pc) I will post links to them for you.

As for breeding siblings, not sure of the ramifications of doing that with snakes, I never did I because I had seen the issues it caused with other species. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me on that can chime in.

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Right. What I am saying is that there is a lot to think about before breeding, rather than just seeing it as a "project." You are going to potentially be bringing living beings into the world, and need to know how you are going to care for them, find them homes, deal with sick ones etc. Breeding in reptiles is not a fun activity like with humans. Both males and females undergo physiological changes during breeding season when in contact with one another. Both tend to go off feed, and can get aggressive. Complications (egg binding etc) during the process can harm or even result in death for the female in rare cases. What happens if you get a clutch with kinked spines? How will you euthanize them? Not to mention the enormous cost of breeding even one pair. Lots to think about.

Im just saying that breeding any animal needs to be undertaken responsibly, and with TONS of research. No offense, but from your previous posts you definitely need to educate yourself on mendelian genetics, BP husbandry and breeding before you continue. You cant just slap the snakes together and hope for the best.

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I was just asking what I could breed him to.... Have a few years to research, I think that's plenty. You don't need to know genetics to breed a snake. You're saying that it's more fun and less stressful to have a baby than breed a snake? Who is this guy? Hahahaha


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I was just asking what I could breed him to.... Have a few years to research, I think that's plenty. You don't need to know genetics to breed a snake. You're saying that it's more fun and less stressful to have a baby than breed a snake? Who is this guy? Hahahaha


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Yeah, you aren't getting what im saying. You aren't doing your male bp a "favor" by letting him breed a female. And yes you do need to have a basic understanding of genetics before you start breeding these animals. Don't be the uninformed idiot who does this off of a whim.

Why do I need to know about any genetics other than what I was just told? These are the only snakes I'm going to be dealing with


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By the way I have an experienced breeder who will incubate the eggs for me


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There are some genetic morphs that can create issues health wise if mixed. I know the spiderx spider cross has been discussed but not confirmed? There are a couple others but I can't recall them off the top of my head.

How about rather than just tell this guy to "educate" himself, some on offer up the necessary info or provide a link to it? No need to over complicate this. Forums are meant for helping others imo, let's try to do that.

I am MORE than happy to educate someone who sincerely wants to learn about ball python genetics, mendelian inheritance and how to breed snakes. You can see my previous posts where I almost gave a full college course in particulate inheritance and morphs. But when I see someone who off the cuff wants to breed without taking the time to do their OWN research, especially after insulting me, not happening. Get on google and figure it out.

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Why do I need to know about any genetics other than what I was just told? These are the only snakes I'm going to be dealing with


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Because you should have a solid understanding of how basic genetics work before you jump in head first and get over your head. Remember as a breeder, you are essentially playing God and are creating life. There are a lot of genes that react favorably with each other and some that don't so taking the time to educate yourself on the various genes and how to properly incubate and what happens if there are hiccups along the way are fundamental in this hobby.

You need to be responsible with these animals just as if you were to bring a child into the world.

Here is a good place to start http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...Basic-Genetics

I realize this. Why do u guys assume that I'm not going to do any research or that I don't know the consequences? I asked a simple question. If I want to know the consequences and hardships of breeding them I'll start a new thread on it


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Because you should have a solid understanding of how basic genetics work before you jump in head first and get over your head. Remember as a breeder, you are essentially playing God and are creating life. There are a lot of genes that react favorably with each other and some that don't so taking the time to educate yourself on the various genes and how to properly incubate and what happens if there are hiccups along the way are fundamental in this hobby.

You need to be responsible with these animals just as if you were to bring a child into the world.

Here is a good place to start http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...Basic-Genetics

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Thank you! This is what I was saying. Getting your male laid is a bad excuse to start breeding. If you understand nothing else, figure out how recessive genes work.

You guys are getting off topic, get off my thread


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Here is the link to the genetic calculator. I am pretty sure it tells you which genes present potential issues as well. http://www.bhbreptiles.com/main.aspx?Page=MorphWizard
I would recommend researching bp husbandry either on this sight, buy a book or Google it. Do the same for genetics so you have at least a basic understanding of dominant, co dominant and recessive genes. If for any reason other than making sure the babies you create have value and you can find them homes.

Beyond that, take everything you get from forums with a grain of salt. There are many people in different places with different views and they all seem to come out on forums. Some interactions are pleasant and helpful some not so much. Most often due to miscommunication. Have a great day and enjoy your journey.

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Here is the link to the genetic calculator. I am pretty sure it tells you which genes present potential issues as well. http://www.bhbreptiles.com/main.aspx?Page=MorphWizard
I would recommend researching bp husbandry either on this sight, buy a book or Google it. Do the same for genetics so you have at least a basic understanding of dominant, co dominant and recessive genes. If for any reason other than making sure the babies you create have value and you can find them homes.

Beyond that, take everything you get from forums with a grain of salt. There are many people in different places with different views and they all seem to come out on forums. Some interactions are pleasant and helpful some not so much. Most often due to miscommunication. Have a great day and enjoy your journey.

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It's not really the genetics part I'm worried about. Malachi just seems admittedly ignorant and clueless as to the magnitude of what hes doing.

Josh. Get off of my thread.


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No, that is not how we speak to, or interact with people on this forum. Its not your thread, it is a public forum for people to discuss.

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No, that is not how we speak to, or interact with people on this forum. Its not your thread, it is a public forum for people to discuss.

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THIS^^^^ Josh, you've given MalachiJ a wealth of information and I wouldn't even sweat it anymore. As did all the other posters. :)

I'm being called ignorant and clueless. I asked a question. His first response was helpful and all I needed. The rest was off topic.


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You guys are getting off topic, get off my thread


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Josh. Get off of my thread.


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This is a PUBLIC forum :gj:

I will give my two cents here to based on what I have read from you so far, don't put the cart before the horses.

So far based o your thread you have a VERY limited amount of experience under your belt and you should concentrate on that first before thinking about breeding. Once you are ready you need to do some research and part of those research will be about genetics because that is important too.

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This is a PUBLIC forum :gj:

I will give my two cents here to based on what I have read from you so far, don't put the cart before the horses.

So far based o your thread you have a VERY limited amount of experience under your belt and you should concentrate on that first before thinking about breeding. Once you are ready you need to do some research and part of those research will be about genetics because that is important too.

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What does this have to do with what 2 gene morphs you can make out of an albino? Seriously u guys are beating a dead horse with this. I get it. I'm not asking advice on breeding. I'm asking what the title of the thread says. Anything else doesn't help, I will do research on that when I feel the time is right. But as of right now, I'm not interested in that. I don't even know if I want to breed him yet, I just want to know what I can make with him.


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What does this have to do with what 2 gene morphs you can make out of an albino? Seriously u guys are beating a dead horse with this. I get it. I'm not asking advice on breeding. I'm asking what the title of the thread says. Anything else doesn't help, I will do research on that when I feel the time is right. But as of right now, I'm not interested in that. I don't even know if I want to breed him yet, I just want to know what I can make with him.


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There you go then this is what you can make just type Albino http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs

Thank you


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Take a year and. Just read.;)

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Take a year and. Just read.;)

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I don't have much of an option [emoji6]


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Any ball python you want ;) now if you asked what should you breed him with, read everyone's comments lol. I personally say it's what ever you think will interest you the most. I never think about $$ when I make that decision.


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Well, this was a very entertaining thread. Thank you MalachiJ for all the interest in the info on what to breed your male albino to. Thanks Josh, and all the other posters for the class on genetics.:gj: