Finally gave in... Ittsy bittsy spider was not a spider.

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I have been talking with Brian from BHB for a couple months now about this banana that stirred so much controversy the other day in a post that did not have to do with his genetics. He's been telling me from the beginning it was a special banana, but not a spider. I persisted because I was ignorant on genetics, that's what I was told when I bought him, and I really wanted him to be special. Turns out no matter how badly you want something to be something, it isn't going to become something else- but really that dorsal had me going for awhile. That and I am very stubborn. I didn't want to believe I drove over an hour away to pick up an animal that was "just" a banana- or that I paid too much, or that people on a forum knew more about my animal than I did. Or that I made a mistake. But here we are. I did all those things.

Brian has been supportive for months because he's known this moment was coming for awhile- he knew I was wrong. I wish I would have listened 3 months ago as opposed to an hour ago but I've never been good with timing. Anyway, I posted this because I know everyone on here thinks I am an idiot now for thinking he was a spider. I don't think I am a complete idiot, but I definitely think I chose to see only what I wanted to see. People do that when they sense they messed up. And I did.

In any case, I am getting most of my money back, but I am not getting all of it back. I love my animal. He's not a spider but he's mine. So I'll cut my losses and see what I can do from here. I don't know if any of you can see the twitter link I posted of the conversation of Brian B. and I, but I linked it just in case. We had a long standing bet on this banana. If 'Nana produced spiders in January he was going to mention 'Nana and I on the show, haha. And if he didn't, I owed him 60 hours of free labor at the BHB warehouse. So when he doesn't produce any spiders, I will be owing him him 60 :l Which will be awesome anyway xD

Sorry to those I offended by appearing stupid or naive or whatever it is I appeared. I won't be calling him a spider from this point onward. He is a banana. More importantly, he is my banana.
-Proud Banana Owner

Hey don't worry about it. All of us have made a mistakes. The important thing is once you figure it out, not to do it again.

Glad you got a answer from someone you trust. I made mistakes too figuring out morphs while I was learning about all the combos and base morphs. You have a really unique banana and I would be happy to just own one!


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Yeah, no kidding. Thank you two for your kind responses. I needed them :)

And bananas are my favorite. Work a payment plan to get one, python if you like them xD
I mean, if you wanted. I think I lot of people offer plans. I pretty much blew everything on this banana because I believed in him. Don't be like me. Lol.

I did get some nice looking pictures of him in the sun though today, so I am going to post those to make myself feel better LOL.

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I commend you for admitting you where wrong and updating this thread it's more than most would do.
After the original thread most would not admit their mistake, so good for you, it shows you want to be
a valuable member of this community and sometimes we have all had to learn the hard way.
By the way, pretty banana.

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I commend you for admitting you where wrong and updating this thread it's more than most would do.
After the original thread most would not admit their mistake, so good for you, it shows you want to be
a valuable member of this community and sometimes we have all had to learn the hard way.
By the way, pretty banana.

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Thanks, that means a lot. It wasn't easy. I want to be a valuable member, but I feel pretty stupid after that post. But I can't help what I didn't know. I really, really believed that he had some spider in him. Oh well. Bananas are just fine to me.

For about 4 years I was calling a snake I have a Black Pastel, until someone here pointed out that she's a Cinny. Derp. We all make mistakes. Live and learn...:D

p.s. beautiful Banana!

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For about 4 years I was calling a snake I have a Black Pastel, until someone here pointed out that she's a Cinny. Derp. We all make mistakes. Live and learn...:D

p.s. beautiful Banana!

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Lol, I love cinnamon. Such a beautiful color contrast. And I could definitely see myself messing that one up, too. Thank you. It was that freaking dorsal that was catching me up. Whenever I started saying, well, he really doesn't look textbook, I would see the dorsal and think webbed pattern- perhaps something more there than a banana. In reality I think this banana has been making me look a little bit crazy since I got him. Little rotten banana from the bunch, really, haha. I love that guy.

Glad you got it sorted out but I don't understand this bit:

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@SnakeBytesTV Thank you so much for helping me with him. I was literally humiliated on the forums for saying he was a spider. You were nice

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Implying that we weren't so nice on the forums wasn't so nice. Sure you didn't ask for genetics straight out. As far as you know everyone here was ready to let you live in bliss until you opened the can of worms all on your lonesome. Just 25 minutes after starting your mites thread you post a picture and the following:

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(Continuing EDIT: No one ever believes he is a banana spider, so I showed him compared to his brother because I know I will get heat :/ Whatever.

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I guess I'm just sort of at a loss. You seemed defensive even before anybody suggested there was no spider in your snake. What I saw were people trying to help you, even going so far as offering comparison pictures, in getting the genetics of your animal straightened out. I fail to see where you were treated any way that would make you feel humiliated.

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Sorry to those I offended by appearing stupid or naive or whatever it is I appeared. I won't be calling him a spider from this point onward. He is a banana. More importantly, he is my banana.
-Proud Banana Owner

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I doubt anybody here thinks you stupid or naive for getting genetics mixed up on a snake - pretty sure MOST of us have done it at one point or another.

Best of luck with your snake and glad Brian could help you where we could not.

I was defensive. That was mentioned multiple times in the post. Stubborn was mentioned in this one. Blind, too, I think? Lol. Lots of colorful words. All of which were true. All of which I said myself. I am not hiding the fact I was defensive. But thanks for commenting, I appreciate it regardless. I think a lot of help is regarded as harm when people are defensive.
And if I recall, not everyone was as nice as you are. But I am not trying to dig it up, please.

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Glad you got it sorted out but I don't understand this bit:



Implying that we weren't so nice on the forums wasn't so nice. Sure you didn't ask for genetics straight out. As far as you know everyone here was ready to let you live in bliss until you opened the can of worms all on your lonesome. Just 25 minutes after starting your mites thread you post a picture and the following:



I guess I'm just sort of at a loss. You seemed defensive even before anybody suggested there was no spider in your snake. What I saw were people trying to help you, even going so far as offering comparison pictures, in getting the genetics of your animal straightened out. I fail to see where you were treated any way that would make you feel humiliated.


I doubt anybody here thinks you stupid or naive for getting genetics mixed up on a snake - pretty sure MOST of us have done it at one point or another.

Best of luck with your snake and glad Brian could help you where we could not.

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If it makes you feel better, I'll say I humiliated myself. Because that's the truth. Better? I'm not denying that either. Lol, I said I looked a "damn fool". Like calling an apple an orange, but I was calling a banana a spider.

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If it makes you feel better, I'll say I humiliated myself. Because that's the truth. Better? I'm not denying that either. Lol, I said I looked a "damn fool". Like calling an apple an orange, but I was calling a banana a spider.

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I have been reading this thread and the other as well......
Your an Amazing girl Bree!!
If you believe in something stand up and fight!! Right or Wrong! If your right, your right! If your wrong, admit you were wrong and move on! More people should be like you! I admire your spunk!

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Originally Posted by Morris Reese

I have been reading this thread and the other as well......
Your an Amazing girl Bree!!
If you believe in something stand up and fight!! Right or Wrong! If your right, your right! If your wrong, admit you were wrong and move on! More people should be like you! I admire your spunk!

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I think that comment just made my day. Wow. Most people just think I am too fiery, haha. Thank you so much. I wish I had more people tell me that.
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Originally Posted by Morris Reese

I have been reading this thread and the other as well......
Your an Amazing girl Bree!!
If you believe in something stand up and fight!! Right or Wrong! If your right, your right! If your wrong, admit you were wrong and move on! More people should be like you! I admire your spunk!

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Wow... Were we reading the same thread?! More people should be like her? I think not... There's enough self-righteous newbies on this forum.

She was pretty rude to all the people trying to help her and it took Brian to prove her wrong. If you're going to be a respectable member of this community, it would help if you didn't insult the intelligence of experienced and helpful members.

I'm glad a lot of you are very forgiving. If I was giving advice and met such rudeness, I wouldn't put up with it...

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I'm glad a lot of you are very forgiving. If I was giving advice and met such rudeness, I wouldn't put up with it...

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Isn't the point to be forgiving? Because we all make mistakes? And we all were new once?


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I mean if that's not your goal, then fine and dandy, but it's mine. People have bad days. I doubt you haven't been rude to people who haven't deserved it before in your life. If you say you haven't, you are a liar. Sorry it happened, can't take it back. Doing my best to make amends. Take it or leave it.
Some people can forgive others apparently cannot.

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I'm glad a lot of you are very forgiving. If I was giving advice and met such rudeness, I wouldn't put up with it...

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Isn't the point to be forgiving? Because we all make mistakes? And we all were new once?


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I mean if that's not your goal, then fine and dandy, but it's mine. People have bad days. I doubt you haven't been rude to people who haven't deserved it before in your life. If you say you haven't, you are a liar. Sorry it happened, can't take it back. Doing my best to make amends. Take it or leave it.
Some people can forgive others apparently cannot.

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I don't think it's about making a mistake. We all do that from time to time. I think it has more to do with you irrationally arguing like a 6 year old who's not getting her way...I would suggest next time someone points out something like that, instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying nah nah nah boo boo I can't hear you...take some time to consider that you may actually be wrong...

Also...the breeder who sold you your Banana screwed you over hard core...you may want to rectify that...

I apologized. Other than that I really don't know what else to say. I admitted to arguing and being stubborn- I think I have mentioned that a bunch, already.

You don't pick and choose how to forgive someone. Oh well you were kind of arrogant, Bree (not a real example) I don't like that about you, so I am going to not forgive that. You were acting like a child. I am not forgiving that either. You were having a pretty hard week, but lets dehumanize you because it's the internet. You're acting out? It's a moral deficit. Defensive? Probably that way by nature. Let's not look at your other post history. Let's judge you by this. And don't tell me that wasn't judgement, because it definitely was.

Telling someone we need more people like me is a judgement. Telling someone we don't is also one. You're attributing my entire persona to one post. That's pretty big of you. To judge someone you literally have no idea about. You assume I am a self-righteous newbie. Maybe one on the internet. But obviously, again, you haven't read my post history. I am not new with reptiles. Genetics, perhaps. But perhaps you should have specified. I shouldn't have been explosive- but again, I have apologized. I will not do it again.

I am glad you felt I was irrationally arguing. Because that to me is an opinion. It wasn't irrational to me because I didn't know. Rationality is based on knowledge. Again, the last time I will say it, when people are defensive they do not accept help as anything other than harm. Stop attributing terms to me that you cannot back up. You do not know me.

Again, thanks for reading- if you made it.

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I apologized. Other than that I really don't know what else to say. I admitted to arguing and being stubborn- I think I have mentioned that a bunch, already.

You don't pick and choose how to forgive someone. Oh well you were kind of arrogant, Bree (not a real example) I don't like that about you, so I am going to not forgive that. You were acting like a child. I am not forgiving that either. You were having a pretty hard week, but lets dehumanize you because it's the internet. You're acting out? It's a moral deficit. Defensive? Probably that way by nature. Let's not look at your other post history. Let's judge you by this. And don't tell me that wasn't judgement, because it definitely was.

Telling someone we need more people like me is a judgement. Telling someone we don't is also one. You're attributing my entire persona to one post. That's pretty big of you. To judge someone you literally have no idea about. You assume I am a self-righteous newbie. Maybe one on the internet. But obviously, again, you haven't read my post history. I am not new with reptiles. Genetics, perhaps. But perhaps you should have specified. I shouldn't have been explosive- but again, I have apologized. I will not do it again.

I am glad you felt I was irrationally arguing. Because that to me is an opinion. It wasn't irrational to me because I didn't know. Rationality is based on knowledge. Again, the last time I will say it, when people are defensive they do not accept help as anything other than harm. Stop attributing terms to me that you cannot back up. You do not know me.

Again, thanks for reading- if you made it.

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Did you ever "out" the breeder in that other thread? I'm afraid to back and look...

Out? I am really tired. What do you mean, please?

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Out? I am really tired. What do you mean, please?

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What he means is, tell us who the breeder is that took you for a ride.

Joseph. I don't want to give his last name because it'll ruin him. But he lives in Cincinnati. Breeds a lot of pieds as well. He is giving me most of my money back- I decided to keep my banana for what he is, so I can't get all of it back. We'll have to work something out.
He isn't a professional breeder with a website, so I don't think anyone with half a mind will get into trouble with him again but just in case, you can find him under Banana ball python in Cincinnati, Ohio craigslist. I don't think I had half a mind when I bought the banana. It was the first odd looking banana he produced and was convinced it was spider.

He really is so convinced that it's a spider he's willing to trade me a text book looking banana spider. I just don't even want one at this point. I love my animal and prefer to keep him. The other option would be full refund but I don't know. I feel so stupid after all of this, decisions are a bit hard to conclude.

Another odd note, he loves trades. So I think a lot of people are safe. Well, actually I don't know. I thought I would put that in there.

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Joseph. I don't want to give his last name because it'll ruin him. But he lives in Cincinnati. Breeds a lot of pieds as well. He is giving me most of my money back- I decided to keep my banana for what he is, so I can't get all of it back. We'll have to work something out.
He isn't a professional breeder with a website, so I don't think anyone with half a mind will get into trouble with him again but just in case, you can find him under Banana ball python in Cincinnati, Ohio craigslist. I don't think I had half a mind when I bought the banana. It was the first odd looking banana he produced and was convinced it was spider.

He really is so convinced that it's a spider he's willing to trade me a text book looking banana spider. I just don't even want one at this point. I love my animal and prefer to keep him. The other option would be full refund but I don't know. I feel so stupid after all of this, decisions are a bit hard to conclude.

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No problem...I was just curious. I still don't see how anyone could mistake that for a Banana Spider but whatever...

I think he was mainly confused because of the coloration difference. I was completely new to bananas so I really had no idea. I had a spider, but thought it was somewhat variable depending on what it was mixed with and how it would eventually come out. The gene I mean. I am very new to genes.
In any case, my fiance is a trucker and is gone for weeks at a time. And I am beginning to notice I tend to make most of my terrible decisions when he first sets out. Because one of the first things I did when he set out for 5 weeks was buy that banana.
Sigh. Consequences.

Edit: But other than the hassle and embarrassment, misinformation and misrepresentation, waste of gas money and time, it still is a beautiful banana.

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Joseph. I don't want to give his last name because it'll ruin him. But he lives in Cincinnati. Breeds a lot of pieds as well. He is giving me most of my money back- I decided to keep my banana for what he is, so I can't get all of it back. We'll have to work something out.
He isn't a professional breeder with a website, so I don't think anyone with half a mind will get into trouble with him again but just in case, you can find him under Banana ball python in Cincinnati, Ohio craigslist. I don't think I had half a mind when I bought the banana. It was the first odd looking banana he produced and was convinced it was spider.

He really is so convinced that it's a spider he's willing to trade me a text book looking banana spider. I just don't even want one at this point. I love my animal and prefer to keep him. The other option would be full refund but I don't know. I feel so stupid after all of this, decisions are a bit hard to conclude.

Another odd note, he loves trades. So I think a lot of people are safe. Well, actually I don't know. I thought I would put that in there.

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So full refund, and you keep the snake? how much $$ do you get back if you keep snake? How much money do you get back if you trade him that for a normal banana?

Aswell, out of all his banana's are they all males? If so your's has the male maker gene

You need at least 2.5k refunded. Hope you get it.

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So full refund, and you keep the snake? how much $$ do you get back if you keep snake? How much money do you get back if you trade him that for a normal banana?

Aswell, out of all his banana's are they all males? If so your's has the male maker gene

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I really haven't worked all of this out with him, yet. Lol, I am trying not to make these decisions when my partner is off driving in Texas. He's a better negotiator.
And he is a "male maker" banana, you are correct xP

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You need at least 2.5k refunded. Hope you get it.

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Thank you very much. I plan on it. If something cannot be worked out financially, my partner will probably just have me consider full refund. Even though I really, really like my animal :(

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Thank you very much. I plan on it. If something cannot be worked out financially, my partner will probably just have me consider full refund. Even though I really, really like my animal :(

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There are plenty more out there from reputable breeders. Reward one of them with your money. Not the crooked one, all that does is encourage his behavior.

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There are plenty more out there from reputable breeders. Reward one of them with your money. Not the crooked one, all that does is encourage his behavior.

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This!


And as many snakes are pets, they usually dont grow on us like dogs, if i paid 5,000$ for a English bulldog with championship blood line, and 2 years down the road go to breed him and he gives me chiuaua's .... Yea it'd be harder to get ride of him!

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He gave me this hatching to make up for the past mistake. In my opinion, he did his best to make things right. Now I have my banana and my banana spider. Thanks everyone for helping me through the confusion.