BP's that hold their color the best as adults

Hey guys,
As a n00b, I'm curious.
I'm looking for a list of BP's that will hold their color the best or that will get better with age and also the ones that don't.

Thanks!:)

albinos, pieds, blue-eye lucys, these really hold their colors.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

albinos, pieds, blue-eye lucys, these really hold their colors.

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I'm curious is this because they are either all or partially white snakes?

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It's not always true with white snakes. For example, my Albino is loosing his high white and becoming more yellowish instead. Can I ask what's the reason for your question about best color holding adults? Just curious.

Anything with fire, hypo, and desert ghost hold their colors and/or get better with age.

White snakes and albinos don't necessarily get worse, but they do change over time as well. Their changes aren't as dramatic or ugly as a browning out pastel, for example.

My pastel orange ghost has improved immensely as she grew!

i just picked these because its much less dramatic than it is in other morphs.

in piebalds, the white typically just stays as white as it is. the other colors may change, but the white doesnt. albinos start out white and yellow, and thats what they will be. the yellow may increase a bit, thats true, but it wont develop any brown or grey. and a high-white BEL like a super lesser will also keep its color, mostly, i mean, changes in color over the years will be really subtle.

in contrast, single-gene mojave or YB or pastel or orange dreams and also bees can all change quite dramatically. i remember a discussion about a proven breeder orange dream where people argued back and forth if its just a normal or not, until a hatchling pic of the BP surfaced and a comparison of the pattern revealed that its really an orange dream.

i agree about hypo/ghost.

then, many morphs change quite a lot, but depending on taste, not for the worse. for example toffee or candy, these clearly get more and more awesome with age.

My enchi bumblebee has held her colors almost perfectly since we got her at around 250g, she is now 1200g. She might be a enchi bumblebee yellowbelly though. She is certainly the brightest enchi bumblebee I have ever seen.

Fire gets better over time. I love fire combos because rather than browning out, they just get better.

Fires for sure. Pied's hold there pretty baby colours great. And plain old wild type actually get better with age IMHO. If you don't want morphs that get dirty and less attractive as they age your ruling out most balls unfortunately. But the top of that list would have to be axanthic, pastel, orange dream....

In my option anything fire gets better with age fireflys stay bright my 2 keep getting better and better !!!

Can't forget vanilla as well. It holds color very well.. Also Lavender albino holds color way better than standard albino. Enchi also looks better with age... Ummm that is all I can think of as of right now.

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Originally Posted by T&C Exotics

Can't forget vanilla as well. It holds color very well.. Also Lavender albino holds color way better than standard albino. Enchi also looks better with age... Ummm that is all I can think of as of right now.

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Yea the vanilla cream stays smokin as an adult fire and vanilla blend well I still need to add vanilla to my collection I have fires and fireflys I would only get my vanillas from gulfcoast they have the best !!

All I know is my reg ghost is getting prettier with each shed,he's looking brighter.. Just good,real good,my black pastel just shed for the first time he's also a beauty,but then again,maybe it's me I love my snakes

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Originally Posted by Misha

Can I ask what's the reason for your question about best color holding adults? Just curious.

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Good question Misha,:)

For the life of me, I can't rationalize spending hundreds and in many cases thousands of $$$ on an animal that as a juvenile looks completely different than it does as an adult. Unless its colour gets brighter or it maintains it's brilliance as it ages.:confusd:

Maybe someone with more experience can explain it to me.:gj:

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Originally Posted by Wizard

Good question Misha,:)

For the life of me, I can't rationalize spending hundreds and in many cases thousands of $$$ on an animal that as a juvenile looks completely different than it does as an adult. Unless its colour gets brighter or it maintains it's brilliance as it ages.:confusd:

Maybe someone with more experience can explain it to me.:gj:

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I just think it depends on what you're buying your snakes for in the first place. I personally have mine as pets. I want to breed for fun, but I'm not too worried about them changing color a bit. I already see the change in my Albino and I'm sure that my Pastave girl will get a bit darker. Would I love high contrast snakes? Definitely! But am I freaking out about it? Neh...

Now, if I was a breeder, it would be a different scenario.

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Who wouldn't want a BP that holds and retains their colors as adults? I think if you wanted a ball Python for display purposes(not that they're good display animals) or just a pretty pet or heck breeding stock, I would want a snake that retains their beautiful baby colors. Or at least something equivalent or better since they all change to a degree.

For example, pastels have some of the worst changes. Most brown out terribly and you wouldn't be able to tell they were suppose to be yellow in the first place. A brown pastel doesn't really make a stellar visual example.

Add fire to that pastel, and they do stay vibrant and yellow. You add hypo or desert ghost to that pastel and they also stay yellow and get better with age.


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Hypo/Ghost
Desert Ghost
Fire
Vanilla


Check out SansCera and the hypo combos he produces (especially fire hypos!).

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Originally Posted by missriss2012

Hypo/Ghost
Desert Ghost
Fire
Vanilla


Check out SansCera and the hypo combos he produces (especially fire hypos!).

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I agree with marissa.

SansCera hypo fire, he's only getting nicer as he ages:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/07/ema3u3y3.jpg
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it all depends on the combos i think.

single-gene axanthics, for example, most often brown out with age. in a perfect world they should stay limited to black, white and grey. add one copy of fire and it wont brown out, the issue is resolved, with fire the axanthics look just like they should all the way into old age. they are really awesome and visually stunning.

also pastel, i mean, i dont really like single-gene pastel because of the browning out, but there are combos that fix it. combined with other morphs that age well and that counteract the drawbacks that single-gene pastel has, pastel still has a lot of value and can be quite a beneficial as a nice pattern and color enhancer.

i think many of the genes that dont really work on their own can still have real value and real purposes in the right combos.

which also means that some genes make a lot of sense for breeders to have, but wont be a really visual pet on their own. when you want a really visual pet that will stay looking nice, you need to go either for one of the genes that work well on their own, or for a combo that works really well.

some are basically like "het for awesome".

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White snakes and albinos don't necessarily get worse, but they do change over time as well.

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Please show a "White Wedding" that has any change in color at all.

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Originally Posted by grcforce327

Please show a "White Wedding" that has any change in color at all.

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I suppose I should have clarified to 'Leucistic' snakes because pied white is pure white.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

it all depends on the combos i think.

single-gene axanthics, for example, most often brown out with age. in a perfect world they should stay limited to black, white and grey. add one copy of fire and it wont brown out, the issue is resolved, with fire the axanthics look just like they should all the way into old age. they are really awesome and visually stunning.

some are basically like "het for awesome".

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Or add hypo! Obviously I'm biased toward axanthic, but I do think there are certain combos that it really works beautifully with like the true ghost, especially when a pattern morph is put in on top of it. Loved your "het for awesome" comment!

I wasn't really impressed with hypos when I first saw them, I couldn't understand why someone would want a snake that looked like it's always in shed. But in combination with genes that increase yellows or lighten colors, they really do seem to improve with age. I recently saw a juvenile lesser enchi hypo that absolutely blew me away (as did her price tag lol).

Bad pic, but this is my POG.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/09/ume9ybyb.jpg

I will try to get you a natural light pic of my Lesser Orange Ghost later today - he is radioactive looking, he totally glows

I agree that anything hypo and fire will get better with age.
Hypo pastel lesser
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/09/uneme8et.jpg
Here he is with my yb
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/09/8agu8ura.jpg
Hypo female
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/09/eva8a2ag.jpg
Fire female
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/09/uqaquret.jpg
And a BEL just because
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/09/zudu6a8a.jpg

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