100% Het for Carmel Male

So my snake Mycroft is a 100% Het for Carmel make BP. I'm still trying to assimilate the information in the stickies on morphs, but what could I breed him with to make interesting snakelings?? Also does anyone have a picture of what a homozygous Carmel looks like??

I'm not ready to breed him yet or anything, but am definitely interested in trying in the future...

Hi,

To get anything visual you would have to breed him to another het caramel ( I'd advise against a homozygous female caramel because of the kinking problem ).

And caramels look like this;

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...aramel-albino/

How would I go about trying to find a female for him to breed (besides purchasing one myself)?? Obviously just advertising in Craigslist could attract unscrupulous snake owners...

Um.

The only way you could breed him to anything without buying more snakes would be a breeding loan.

Have a search on here to see what peoples experiences and advice about those is.


dr del

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Um.

The only way you could breed him to anything without buying more snakes would be a breeding loan.

Have a search on here to see what peoples experiences and advice about those is.


dr del

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Thanks for the input; I'm probably gonna wait a while and see how well I'm able to care for the one and them see about feeling out the rest if the forum to see what experiences they've had.

Slight necro on this thread, but was wondering some about the different classifications of Carmel that are around...


I was just looking on the "World of Ball Puthons" color guide, and find that there are many, many Carmel color morphs; Carmel pewter, Carmel albino, etc.

are these the result of breeding a Carmel to one of hear other colors, or are these variants of the Carmel gene itself?? In other words, will Carmel x Carmel crosses produce these, or would it require Carmel x Pewter, etc??

thanks for the help; It's pretty confusing trying to understand snake morphs. The genetic terms and breed shorthand are so different than those used in mice :)

To get a caramel pewter you would have to cross your het caramel with a het caramel pewter to get a 1/16 chance to get a caramel pewter in an egg (Visual Caramel * Pewter would not give you any visual caramel babies only hets). Caramel is just short for Caramel Albino unless I am missing something. My best recommendation is to do some reading online as to how recessive and Co-dominant genes work and how you can mix them together.

short thing on codoms http://www.newenglandreptile.com/genetics_codom.html
hits a little on recessive http://www.cranwill.com/faq22.html

Ohhhhh......

so is Carmel Albino different than "regular" albino, and how so??

Yes it is. Just a different name for a different set of genes. I guess having albino in its name does make this one a little more confusing.

Caramel is a recessive gene. So to get babies that look like a caramel BOTH parents have to have the gene whether they are visual or het for it. There are a lot of pretty caramels but some people don't care to work with them because of kinking issues or issues with females having slug eggs (non viable eggs). However, I am going to be diving into it anyway with my girl Eve who is (imo) a very pretty Caramel Glow (Caramel + Ghost):

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7f9b0e2.jpg

"Caramel albino" is the same as "caramel," just like "lesser" is "lesser platinum," ppl just say "caramel" or "lesser" because it's shorter.

I think before you want to get into breeding you should research a bit more and learn your morphs. Get a good grasp of the fundamentals.

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Definitely; aside from this site (the links in some if the stickies are dead) are there any other good places I can try and learn??


i do know and have decent understanding of basic genetics and can manipulate Punnet squares of up to 2 alleles fairly easily...anything past that (and anything with regar to codominance I have trouble with)

Aside from this forum (which is FULL of helpful people and information), I honestly learned a lot just by browsing http://www.worldofballpythons.com/ and dinking with their Genetic Wizard. Check out "The Big Morph List" on there. Take the time to check out some of their articles too. Read, read, read and when you think you've read enough.... read some more! You can never have too much info on something if you're truly interested and ready to start breeding. You can learn a ton just by reading other people's posts on here (even if it doesn't pertain to you) and seeing the replies from members. There are books as well that I'm sure you can find on the subject.

I also tend to just Google different morphs I want to learn about. Lots of the bigger breeders have great info on each morph. I'd recommend checking out the basic genetics lesson on here, it helped me a lot.

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Caramel is a recessive gene. So to get babies that look like a caramel BOTH parents have to have the gene whether they are visual or het for it. There are a lot of pretty caramels but some people don't care to work with them because of kinking issues or issues with females having slug eggs (non viable eggs). However, I am going to be diving into it anyway with my girl Eve who is (imo) a very pretty Caramel Glow (Caramel + Ghost):

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7f9b0e2.jpg

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I'm also diving into the caramel glow project. I got a package deal on some hatchlings a couple years ago (RIGHT before the Ultramel came into the scene...go figure, lol) but I still think the caramel glow superceeds the ultramel in color personally. And my project is ready to breed this season (1.1 are locking now) so I am excited. I also have heard of the kinking being known in certain lines and inbreeding. I have unrealted pairs that come from lines without known kinks (supposedly :rolleyes:) so we shall see. I still love the caramel morphs though. One of my favorites!

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I'm also diving into the caramel glow project. I got a package deal on some hatchlings a couple years ago (RIGHT before the Ultramel came into the scene...go figure, lol) but I still think the caramel glow superceeds the ultramel in color personally. And my project is ready to breed this season (1.1 are locking now) so I am excited. I also have heard of the kinking being known in certain lines and inbreeding. I have unrealted pairs that come from lines without known kinks (supposedly :rolleyes:) so we shall see. I still love the caramel morphs though. One of my favorites!

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I was just looking at some Ultramels last night. Ultramels can make some nice combos but they're a bit pricey from what I'm seen. I also don't think that Ultramel by itself is nearly as nice as the Caramels. Maybe not so much "not as nice" as it is "very different" and the combos look quite different as well imo. You can make combos with the Ultramel that do look more like a caramel glow but the ones that I've seen that do, don't use ghost in the breeding at all. I might get one eventually but not as a "replacement" for Caramels but maybe as something all their own. Eve's breeder also hasn't had many issues with kinking and Eve herself is perfect. So with some tips from her breeder and a little bit of luck, I'm hoping to not have too many issues with it either. If she does then she will just have a happy full life with me as a pet only animal. I hope you let us know how your breeding goes :).