Stolen Ball Pythons

Be on the lookout. Pictures are in the sidebar of the article:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/lo...00_stolen.html

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Originally Posted by Don

Be on the lookout. Pictures are in the sidebar of the article:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/lo...00_stolen.html

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Thanks for sharing! I will definitely keep an eye out for these.

people suck.

Wow. I can't even imagine how they must feel. All that work, money, and care put into them to have them stolen by some jerk. I think what stings the most is that they are a fellow snake owner/breeder. To do that to another breeder. :upset: That's messed up. I hope they find the people that did it and they don't just get a slap on the wrist.

This is local to me-- I'll have my eyes sharply peeled. Scanning CL as we speak.

That really blows...

I would assume that the people who did steal these knew of their value, and probably has been over to this person's place...
Should narrow down the field a bit

Wow that's horrible.

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Any more pics of other snakes that were stolen? Have them post them here. I know that plenty of ppl (myself included) are constantly window shopping fauna and other sites

Wow. That is really terrible. I'll definitely keep an eye out.


I chuckled when they commented that the snakes weren't poisonous... No snakes are poisonous ;)

Really messed up.... I hope they get them back... And I hope their ok, eggs included...

Fing horrible cant believe someone would stoop to that level to breed... How Pathetic. I am definitely going to be installing security cameras now.. I feel so bad for that person. Was it a member by any chance?

I tried posting the pics from the link above on here but Tapatalk is acting stupid.

It would be great if the owner could give out some more info so people know what to look for. There are a lot of eyes on this site, maybe someone could help.

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Originally Posted by towelie4365

Wow. That is really terrible. I'll definitely keep an eye out.


I chuckled when they commented that the snakes weren't poisonous... No snakes are poisonous ;)

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Some of the genus Rhabdophis and a handful of others beg to differ.

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Originally Posted by mackynz

It would be great if the owner could give out some more info so people know what to look for.

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Thats what i believe as well. But the number is on the bottom of the article.

Can someone local to this, someone compassionate, give her a call and ask for more pics as well as genetic information on all missing snakes? So that it gets posted in this forum and elsewhere?

It would feel wrong for me to do it since i live in Germany, different continent, halfway around the planet, and if i now call long distance with my accent and ask questions, i dont know, feels weird.

But we do have the luxury of calling up the victim directly, get the helpful data, and share our compassion. Maybe donate new hatchlings or something, maybe put the pictures up in forums and make them sticky in trade sections of forums. Give that 1500 dollar reward some teeth by publicising it together with good data on the snakes within the community.

I hope there will be a solution to this case.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Any more pics of other snakes that were stolen? Have them post them here. I know that plenty of ppl (myself included) are constantly window shopping fauna and other sites

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I like this idea. If someone can contact them and get them to either open an account here to post them or allow one of the users here to post pictures. I know I'm one of the ones who ALWAYS browses through Fauna, here, Kingsnake, and other classifies on a daily basis (gotta love window shopping!). Hopefully we can be of some help and get these snakes back to their owner.

I'll keep an eye and ear out here in Maryland. It just sucks that people would stoop to this! Plus the fact that they grabbed pregnant females is upsetting. Hopefully the eggs will make it too!

They're not very good thieves though to leave obvious footprints in muddy ground. :rolleyes:

List is incoming, folks. I contacted her, and she and her husband will be calling me back directly with specs of the missing animals.

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Originally Posted by xFenrir

It just sucks that people would stoop to this! Plus the fact that they grabbed pregnant females is upsetting. Hopefully the eggs will make it too!

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I was worried about that, but since it sounds like they knew which ones were valuable hopefully they know something about care.

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

List is incoming, folks. I contacted her, and she and her husband will be calling me back directly with specs of the missing animals.

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You win internet award for awesomness this day :salute:

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

List is incoming, folks. I contacted her, and she and her husband will be calling me back directly with specs of the missing animals.

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AWESOME :worship: :worship:


with the plotting and sceming getting started and based on everything i know about this community so far..... The perpetrator will have a hard time getting away with this. The direct contact to the victims will help A LOT, im certain about that. With good pics a good match can easily be made when the snakes resurface, the pattern is like a fingerprint.

Firebee male-- 400 g, not quite breeding size.
Yellowbelly female-- not breeding size, feisty
Mohave
Het Ghost
Lemon Blast
3 visual Pied

• Pied female-- her eyebar is solid brown rather than broken
• Pied male is low-white with three small symmetrical triangular breaks in his pattern

Cinnamon het Pied
Pinstripe female-- 1700 grams, small eye in pattern
Orange Ghost
Mohave het Ghost

With the exception of the two juvies listed at the top, the rest taken were breeder males and gravid females. The several that have unique characteristics are described. Mr. Robinson was iffy about publicising any more pictures of them, but if you see any breeder animals for sale that fit these descriptions, go ahead and give them a call. They are heartbroken.

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Originally Posted by mackynz

I was worried about that, but since it sounds like they knew which ones were valuable hopefully they know something about care.

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What I was worried about was that since they stole them, they're probably looking to flip them for a quick buck. If that's the case, they probably wouldn't want to expend the 3~ months to raise the eggs then care for the young, and just chuck the eggs.

I hope so much that's not the case. :(

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

Firebee male-- 400 g, not quite breeding size.
Yellowbelly female-- not breeding size, feisty
Mohave
Het Ghost
Lemon Blast
3 visual Pied

• Pied female-- her eyebar is solid brown rather than broken

Cinnamon het Pied
pinstripe female-- 1700 grams, small eye in pattern
Orange Ghost
Mohave het Ghost

With the exception of the two juvies listed at the top, the rest taken were breeder males and gravid females. The several that have unique characteristics are described. Mr. Robinson was iffy about publicising any more pictures of them, but if you see any breeder animals for sale that fit these descriptions, go ahead and give them a call. They are heartbroken.

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I'll be checking Craigslist often. I hope I see them, or that they're returned before too long. :please:

Updated list is what I've got. Check my last post for full details. We can help these folks with their peace of mind and help these animals back to their home, I hope and pray.

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

Firebee male-- 400 g, not quite breeding size.
Yellowbelly female-- not breeding size, feisty
Mohave
Het Ghost
Lemon Blast
3 visual Pied

• Pied female-- her eyebar is solid brown rather than broken
• Pied male is low-white with three small symmetrical triangular breaks in his pattern

Cinnamon het Pied
Pinstripe female-- 1700 grams, small eye in pattern
Orange Ghost
Mohave het Ghost

With the exception of the two juvies listed at the top, the rest taken were breeder males and gravid females. The several that have unique characteristics are described. Mr. Robinson was iffy about publicising any more pictures of them, but if you see any breeder animals for sale that fit these descriptions, go ahead and give them a call. They are heartbroken.

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Good work. Did you happen to meantion this site/thread to them at all? Maybe they would be willing to put up more pics on BP focused site. If not, I get off work shortly and can contact her to let her know.

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Originally Posted by mackynz

Good work. Did you happen to meantion this site/thread to them at all? Maybe they would be willing to put up more pics on BP focused site.

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I did mention BP.net, and told him the name of this thread. I'd rather not violate his discomfort further, but if he would like to post the pictures here himself, I told him that there are 2000 eyes here already on the lookout for his animals. He's thinking of the safety of his animals, not that I can blame him in the least. It's a scary situation.

Well, I spread it all over FB. No way they're selling them through any of the Classifieds groups there.

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Originally Posted by ChaosAffect

Well, I spread it all over FB. No way they're selling them through any of the Classifieds groups there.

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I'm torn about that, because the easiest way to catch them is probably when they try to sell the animals.

As already stated, the thieves are obviously "snake people" since they were able to differentiate between the valuable morphs & the more common ones. One thing people are over-looking here is that given this fact, the people responsible may have no intentions to sell the snakes at all, or at least not the adults. While everyone here has good intentions by keeping an eye out on CL, Fauna, KS, etc., I seriously doubt the snakes will ever be listed.

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Originally Posted by BranceM

As already stated, the thieves are obviously "snake people" since they were able to differentiate between the valuable morphs & the more common ones. One thing people are over-looking here is that given this fact, the people responsible may have no intentions to sell the snakes at all, or at least not the adults. While everyone here has good intentions by keeping an eye out on CL, Fauna, KS, etc., I seriously doubt the snakes will ever be listed.

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This is exactly what I was thinking. Why take the risk of selling them when they've got expensive morphs to sell babies from. :/ What's sad is that often the criminals get away with it. We were broken into twice at our old house. Never found the person. The third time they broke in is when we had our motion sensor detectors and really loud alarm you can here from a mile away. That time they didn't bother to take anything and ran.

That's what the Robinsons are heartbroken about. These people were clearly snake people with an intention to start their own program, as they took the most valuable snakes with size on them already. If any of the gravids keep, well, dropping next month. That's quick profit for the robbers.

And what's worse, these were people who knew the layout of their house and their snake room well enough to know the exact location of the ones they wanted. They were people considered friends. The best we can hope for is that they feel bad for doing it and turn themselves in, perhaps after the females lose their eggs from stress. We can look for pics of verification from the clutches, dame/sire photos, but I'm thinking these guys won't be flipping these animals.

That is so terrible. I hope they get all their snakes back safe and healthy.

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

And what's worse, these were people who knew the layout of their house and their snake room well enough to know the exact location of the ones they wanted. They were people considered friends.

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Just another reason why very few people have actually seen my collection.

I'm feeling hopeful, mainly because of the messy job these guys did in getting out of there. The article said that the police took casts of both the muddy footprints and tire tracks leading away from the property toward a gas station. Hopefully they let that messy trail lead straight to the place they've hunkered down.

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

I'm feeling hopeful, mainly because of the messy job these guys did in getting out of there. The article said that the police took casts of both the muddy footprints and tire tracks leading away from the property toward a gas station. Hopefully they let that messy trail lead straight to the place they've hunkered down.

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I believe the police will only be able to figure out the shoe size, possible make (from the sole pattern) and weight of the perpetrators from the depth of the shoe tracks. And the tire tracks may only give them a tire size/brand from the tread, which they will be able to use to compile a list of possible vehicles used. While it is a bit of help, it may get the police no closer to finding any suspects :( All we can do is hope for the best.

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Originally Posted by Kensa

I believe the police will only be able to figure out the shoe size, possible make (from the sole pattern) and weight of the perpetrators from the depth of the shoe tracks. And the tire tracks may only give them a tire size/brand from the tread, which they will be able to use to compile a list of possible vehicles used. While it is a bit of help, it may get the police no closer to finding any suspects :( All we can do is hope for the best.

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You are correct. The tracks (both shoe & tire) are only circumstantial evidence & can only be helpful if there is actually a suspect(s). However, fingerprints are a whole different story.

So sad and someone already made a comment :mad:



"These will end up in lakes and ponds when the owners get tired of them.
— aviator"

Just terrible. I hope they find prints. I was robbed a few years ago by what turned out to be a co-worker of mine that I'd known since childhood. It was for drug money. It really stings when it's someone you've known and liked for years...

I'll certainly be keeping an eye on craigslist and kijiji for snakes matching this description.

The thing I fear (and probably the owners fear) is that if word gets out that LOTS of people are looking for these animals, that the thieves will spook and try to dump the animals to cover their tracks. :( Probably why they are reluctant to release photos.

I feel like a horrible person but the misinformation/inaccurate info in the article itself bothers me more right now than stolen animals....:tears:

Such a pity.

Yes, these people knew exactly what they were doing and took only the snakes that they wanted. Not to sell, but to keep and sell the babies. It was no accident the gravid females were taken. The best hope is that when these creeps go to sell the babies, then someone might get a glimpse of the stolen adults.

It's so terrible. What levels people will stoop to. I get nervous when someone I am not familiar with wants to see my snakes. I tend to only bring out one or at most two and never the valuable ones.

Gale

smells like an inside job. she must of shown someone her collection because they knew what they were going for.


http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/a...rs-300x246.jpg
thieves

Does anyone else wonder how the snakes on that list can combine to worth $30,000? They must be counting their snakes before they hatch!

Hopefully these dirtbags slip and they get caught. What a damn shame that this happens in the hobby.

ETA: Oops, wrong thread.

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Originally Posted by gsarchie

Does anyone else wonder how the snakes on that list can combine to worth $30,000? They must be counting their snakes before they hatch!

Hopefully these dirtbags slip and they get caught. What a damn shame that this happens in the hobby.

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Well, if they're going to estimate value they might as well add in the expected value of the offspring currently in utero as well. It is something that they're losing with the theft.

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Originally Posted by bfirecat

That really blows...

I would assume that the people who did steal these knew of their value, and probably has been over to this person's place...
Should narrow down the field a bit

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I agree, this person should check with all there friends they know.

If I were in their shoes, I'd be handing over the names and phone numbers of anyone who had been at their residence in the last month. It would be a place to start. The police could perhaps get warrants to search the homes of anyone who has been there recently. Or at least watch their homes for suspicious activity.

Me personally, if the police approached me saying that I was a person of interest in a recent snake theft, I would have no trouble letting them search my home. Anything that might help.

Maybe someone could suggest that to them.

Gale

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Originally Posted by angllady2

If I were in their shoes, I'd be handing over the names and phone numbers of anyone who had been at their residence in the last month. It would be a place to start. The police could perhaps get warrants to search the homes of anyone who has been there recently. Or at least watch their homes for suspicious activity.

Me personally, if the police approached me saying that I was a person of interest in a recent snake theft, I would have no trouble letting them search my home. Anything that might help.

Maybe someone could suggest that to them.

Gale

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That'd be an heck of an imposition on your friends, though. Maybe a better thing to do would be to contact them yourself and tell them that the police are trying to narrow down their suspects and ask if they'd be at home to show the cops around tomorrow... anyone that acted really shady about putting it off or flat-out refused jumps to the top of the suspect list, and the cops can get a warrant from there.

Of course, on the downside that might encourage the culprits to ditch the animals.

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Originally Posted by mackynz

Some of the genus Rhabdophis and a handful of others beg to differ.

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You learn something new every day! Thanks!

I wish the best for these people, but as to the search, I would have to refuse, the victims are more then welcome to look at my place, but when it comes to the police or other agency's looking into my home, no, not without a warrant! Sorry just the way I feel.

p.s. I also looked into Rhabdophis , thanks for that! Did not know!

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Originally Posted by Centexsnakes

I wish the best for these people, but as to the search, I would have to refuse, the victims are more then welcome to look at my place, but when it comes to the police or other agency's looking into my home, no, not without a warrant! Sorry just the way I feel.

p.s. I also looked into Rhabdophis , thanks for that! Did not know!

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I agree with that :gj:

Just figured I would update this here. Someone posted an article in another thread and after a little looking it appears they have recovered their animals!

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=483853