Folicles?

What are they? lol I have always heard people talking about them and I still don't understand what there talking about.

They're the little unfertilized egg packages the female grows when she ovulates. If she is fertilized they become eggs. If she is not, she reabsorbs then for next year. People sometimes determine when to pair depending on the size of them in different stages. Supposedly they are more likely to be firtilized at a certain size in centimeters I forget.


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Well I just pared my 1st ever ball pythons together yesterday and she is 1600g and I palpated her then palpated the male to feel the dif ( 1st time ever doing this) and it felt a lot dif. I felt in in the female...I think like marble sized balls but im not sure. They have locked twice since yesterday. and now there separated. When should I feel for follicles again?

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Originally Posted by Haddady's RnR

Well I just pared my 1st ever ball pythons together yesterday and she is 1600g and I palpated her then palpated the male to feel the dif ( 1st time ever doing this) and it felt a lot dif. I felt in in the female...I think like marble sized balls but im not sure. They have locked twice since yesterday. and now there separated. When should I feel for follicles again?

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Sounds promising. :gj:

Ya I palpated her again today and defently felt some ball like things in her cavity.

So what is the growth time line of follicols?

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Originally Posted by Capray

They're the little unfertilized egg packages the female grows when she ovulates. If she is fertilized they become eggs. If she is not, she reabsorbs then for next year. People sometimes determine when to pair depending on the size of them in different stages. Supposedly they are more likely to be firtilized at a certain size in centimeters I forget.


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Not exactly. Eggs do not become eggs until ovulation. Fertilization also occurs during this time when eggs are pushed through the oviducts. Unfertilized eggs cannon be resorbed after ovulation and are just laid as underutilized ovum. Eggs are only resorbed if ovulation does not occur. Follicle size doesn't have as much to do with being fertilized as much as it is an indication of how close to ovulation the female is. The larger the follicles, the better chance you have of achieving ovulation. Again, an ovulation guarantees you will get eggs....but does not guarantee fertile eggs.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ndom/Chart.jpg

Took me ages to find it and it was on here in another thread in the end - well played google. :rofl:

Thanks dr del.

Just to clarify, the chart shows a feeding response during follicle building, so the minimal feeding response time should end at the onset of follicle building? Bubbles has now officially locked, is always at the cool end (a little bowl wrapping but she's kind of big to fit), but still not interested in food (since Nov. but not losing weight).

Hi,

Mine are ravenous right up to ovulation mostly.


dr del

Most of my girls will feed aggressively until 2-4 weeks before ovulation.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Most of my girls will feed aggressively until 2-4 weeks before ovulation.

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How do you know when their ovulating?

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Originally Posted by Valley

How do you know when their ovulating?

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Their lower half swells up and looks like they're bloated.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Their lower half swells up and looks like they're bloated.

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Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Not exactly. Eggs do not become eggs until ovulation. Fertilization also occurs during this time when eggs are pushed through the oviducts. Unfertilized eggs cannon be resorbed after ovulation and are just laid as underutilized ovum. Eggs are only resorbed if ovulation does not occur. Follicle size doesn't have as much to do with being fertilized as much as it is an indication of how close to ovulation the female is. The larger the follicles, the better chance you have of achieving ovulation. Again, an ovulation guarantees you will get eggs....but does not guarantee fertile eggs.

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they can resorb follicles not eggs. I think that is what you're trying to say.

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http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ndom/Chart.jpg

Took me ages to find it and it was on here in another thread in the end - well played google. :rofl:

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I also have this. it comes with the video from Dr. Mark Seward "Ball Python Breeding" this was done with Dan and Colette Sutherland from The Snake Keeper

Anyone know where that can be downloaded?

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Originally Posted by hig

Anyone know where that can be downloaded?

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No.

But if you google you will find out where it can be bought.

Please don't ask anything like that again as it is against the rules.

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No.

But if you google you will find out where it can be bought.

Please don't ask anything like that again as it is against the rules.

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I have a copy....

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Originally Posted by don15681

they can resorb follicles not eggs. I think that is what you're trying to say.

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Yes. That is what I meant. My fingers and my brain weren't on the same thought at that particular moment. ;)

what would make them reobsorb the follicols?

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what would make them reobsorb the follicols?

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If they aren't fertilized.

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If they aren't fertilized.

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If they fail to ovulate. Female can lay underutilized eggs. No ovulation causes eggs to be resorbed.

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what would make them reobsorb the follicols?

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in the wild food isn't always easy for a ball python to obtain. when a female gets clues from the change in the seasons (temps, light) that it's breeding season. she will start follicle growth. if she doesn't mate with a male, instead of using all that energy to have infertile eggs, she will absorb her follicles and won't use all her stored fat for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Haddady's RnR

what would make them reobsorb the follicols?

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Stress can play a role in the re-absorption as well like weighing her every 3 days ;)

thank you