do you think im being taken for a ride

there's a guy on youtube who says he breeds hognoses
and I asked him if he had any available he said yes het albino hatchlings
he was supposed to ship over 2 weeks ago
but when shipping day came around he texted me and told me his sister went into labor and that he couldn't ship

which I'm understanding, I know how stuff can happen and I believed him
so next scheduled shipping day came around and he said the fedex closed
once again I tried to be understanding I know that stuff happens but I was a little bit suspicious

he supposed to ship again tomorrow texted me again telling me he couldn't because of the heat

which once again is a reasonable excuse but I don't know if it's just something he can easily use now because it's super hot

I believe him and then the other side of me doesn't. I'm confused on what to do, what do you guys think

sorry for the bad grammar it's really hard to type on this phone

I think I would be leary at this point. He has your money I assume? The fed ex closing sounds a bit hoaky. Heat I can understand, but one excuse after another?

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Did you check out his rep on the BOI?

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I think I would be leary at this point. He has your money I assume? The fed ex closing sounds a bit hoaky. Heat I can understand, but one excuse after another?

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I found 2 positive results on fauna but that's it

Smells funny to me. If he has done this before I would think he would know the Fedex hours. Seems like he would not be showing up to Fedex at closing to send a live animal overnight, Im sure that if it was me I would send them bright and early so they would for sure make it overnight.

If he doesnt ship this next time and send you a tracking code I would get my money back.

This guy has het albinos listed for $75.
http://extremehogs.com/Available.html

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Smells funny to me. If he has done this before I would think he would know the Fedex hours. Seems like he would not be showing up to Fedex at closing to send a live animal overnight, Im sure that if it was me I would send them bright and early so they would for sure make it overnight.

If he doesnt ship this next time and send you a tracking code I would get my money back.

This guy has het albinos listed for $75.
http://extremehogs.com/Available.html

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Yeah, I will.
What's the maximum temperature they can safely be shipped in
I know his zip code, so I can check next shipping date

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Yeah, I will.
What's the maximum temperature they can safely be shipped in
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That depends on how he is shipping it. What he is shipping it in, and wether he uses heat or cold packs. He should be using an insulated box and maybe a cold pack depending where he is. If it is above 100 there or at you most people will not ship.

i don't know what a hognose's temps should be but when i got my ciny male shipped last month the breeder didn't put a heat pack in it, but did write "keep at room temp" on the outside of the box.

Most will use a heat pack below 70, nothing for 70 to 90ish, and a cool pack from 90ish to 100. But everyone can be different and ship using differnet methods and materials. It also depends on what shipper you go with, some have their own rules and regs.

Ask him what temps he goes by and how he is shipping it. It may prove to you that he is a scammer.

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Most will use a heat pack below 70, nothing for 70 to 90ish, and a cool pack from 90ish to 100. But everyone can be different and ship using differnet methods and materials. It also depends on what shipper you go with, some have their own rules and regs.

Ask him what temps he goes by and how he is shipping it. It may prove to you that he is a scammer.

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Oh I almost forgot
the last time he canceled, he sent me this pic
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7...d8gjo1_500.jpg
"They're in my car all ready to go"
so if these are the hoggies (which, they're labeled correctly)
this is how he's shipping them

I hope you paid him through paypal. You can often do a chargeback on purchases where the seller is shady. Doesn't always work, but better than cash or money order in my opinion.

The shipping box looks pretty good. Alittle more paper around them to keep them from shifting would be nice but looks right. Atleast those are hognose in the pic.

I hope it works out for you, keep us posted.

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I was wondering the same damn thing lol...

since YOU asked... :gj:

Who is the dude?

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Smells funny to me. If he has done this before I would think he would know the Fedex hours. Seems like he would not be showing up to Fedex at closing to send a live animal overnight, Im sure that if it was me I would send them bright and early so they would for sure make it overnight.

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Actually most people do drop them off right before last pick up. That way the animals are in the box for the least amount of time possible. I'd rather miss a ship date than have a DOA animal every day of the week.

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Actually most people do drop them off right before last pick up. That way the animals are in the box for the least amount of time possible. I'd rather miss a ship date than have a DOA animal every day of the week.

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Definitely! I think that's good policy, but You shouldn't miss more than one or two shipments. It's been weeks...

Hope he's not pulling a rainwater :rofl:

I'm kidding...

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Maybe we should wait a bit more before bringing out the pitchforks and torches...

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Maybe we should wait a bit more before bringing out the pitchforks and torches...

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Agreed, I have not seen anything unreasonable. If this continues, then there is a problem.

Think of it this way, your snake is getting some free meals!

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I see no need for those. Yet. However, there are a LOT of people here. Knowing who's in question here is pertinent.

So, who is this guy?

If you want help, you need to provide the information needed to allow help to be given. Without all the facts, it's a waste of time.

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Knowing who's in question here is pertinent.

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Why? There's not a problem yet. Why do you need to know who the seller is when there isn't even a problem? :confusd:

Ask for your money back. If you get an excuse of any kind - you've been taken on a ride.

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Agreed, I have not seen anything unreasonable. If this continues, then there is a problem.

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I disagree... I haven't heard any sound reasoning for why he would be taking 2 weeks. I suppose multiple little things could cause a series of unfortunate events, but thats probably unlikely. Is it murpheys law or occams razor?

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I see no need for those. Yet. However, there are a LOT of people here. Knowing who's in question here is pertinent.

So, who is this guy?

If you want help, you need to provide the information needed to allow help to be given. Without all the facts, it's a waste of time.

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I agree actually... what if it was another Tim Rainwater like character (on a much smaller scale of course) selling snakes he doesn't have yet. Maybe we've heard of the dude and can suggest the best way to proceed-- like whether or not to request a refund.

Just because there's a picture there doesn't mean he has them in his possession NOW or, if he does, that they're actually for you. I would ask him to take a picture with the snakes on a piece of paper that says, "For (your name)" with the date of purchase and todays date. That way, if he doesn't actually have them-- then he can't do that. If he does have them, then you have some more evidence to support that he owes you snakes...

When you look at shipping temperatures, you have to look at least three places - where the snake is coming from, where the snake is going to and the major hub that the snake will be passing through. Here are the major hubs that will sort and that packages go through: Memphis, Tennessee; Oakland, California; Newark, New Jersey; Fort Worth, Texas; Indianapolis, Indiana; Anchorage, Alaska . You need to learn which hub the package will go through if you are going to ship, so you can check on the temperatures there. I've had packages sent from a city only two hours drive away that went from there to Indianapolis then back to the local hub.

It has been very hot and if the breeder is keeping in touch with you and sending pictures, he is probably concerned about the safety of the snakes. As long as he continues to be in touch with you and you check on the temps and forecasts yourself, then give him time. He may not be comfortable shipping and wants to make sure conditions are good. Neither of you want DOA's.

I haven't shipped snakes in the past, but I have shipped my fair share of packages while I was without a car and dealing with life BS. Sometimes stuff happens. Sometimes it really sucks to have to tell your customer: "I couldn't ship today because of this..."

Give it another shot. 3 failed attempts isn't unreasonable. However, if it becomes a 4th or 5th attempt and that still fails, then yes, I would see red flags.

At this point, I see a transaction that's dealing with outside influences. Until matters change or communication stops or the snakes get delayed yet again, then I wouldn't sweat it. People are very quick to jump to possibilities (granted, many people have screwed people over in this hobby), but I'd rather think the best of a person until they prove me wrong, rather than assume the worse and think negatively of someone who is just trying their best.

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Fauna Classified's "Board of Inquiry"

A place to ask about, and rate your business dealings with others in the reptile community.

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Be careful of someone who repeatedly misses ship dates and has an excuse for each time it is missed. We don't need a name yet but you should turn up the heat on him. A phone call a day usually does it. Good luck!


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I disagree... I haven't heard any sound reasoning for why he would be taking 2 weeks. I suppose multiple little things could cause a series of unfortunate events, but thats probably unlikely. Is it murpheys law or occams razor?

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You haven't heard squat...all we've gotten is a tiny bit of one-sided info. And two weeks is nothing...you have 3 days out of each week to ship...Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday...and shipping out isn't the only concern. You also have to ensure the receiving party is available the day of receipt...and keep in mind some folks have jobs and other commitments to attend to...put away your pitchfork and douse your torch...there's no problem yet...

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Why? There's not a problem yet. Why do you need to know who the seller is when there isn't even a problem? :confusd:

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Just because it's not a problem for you does not mean it's not a problem.

This should be a HUGE red flag to anyone who doesn't blindly trust everyone.

Who's the breeder? If he's so great, sing his praises.

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Just because it's not a problem for you does not mean it's not a problem.

This should be a HUGE red flag to anyone who doesn't blindly trust everyone.

Who's the breeder? If he's so great, sing his praises.

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It's not a problem for anyone, yet. Why bring up names? Would you recommend anyone who ever experiences a delay in shipping to come here and blast the seller? Get a grip man...

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It's not a problem for anyone, yet. Why bring up names? Would you recommend anyone who ever experiences a delay in shipping to come here and blast the seller? Get a grip man...

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Why does how I, just me, do business bother you so badly? Do you what you feel is right and allow me to do the same. If it's a pissing contest you want, you'll have to look elsewhere.

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It's not a problem for anyone, yet. Why bring up names? Would you recommend anyone who ever experiences a delay in shipping to come here and blast the seller? Get a grip man...

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I can understand not giving a name..yet. But definitely let it be known if he screws you.

However, I still would be extremely suspicious. He only gave the heat reason for one day. If it was heat, then why didn't he just say so the first time and each time after?

So your sister goes into labor. Uh... why should that stop you from stopping by FedEx? Are you an MD? Most people don't go to the hospital with their sister during labor.

FedEx closed? Not feeling it. There really isn't any excuse of the three he gave for a two week shipment delay. FedEx also does pickups at home for the worst case scenario--climate permitting that is.

All I'm saying is keep your eyes peeled. I know that if this was me, I'd be extremely sensitive to any further delays. I'd rather buy from someone who can do business without multiple complications, and be thinking seriously about a refund.

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You are, again, 100% wrong. She asked for advice. I have given mine. It is not the same as yours. This seems to only be a problem with YOU.

What's the guys name?

Is this even for real?

The excuses are poor, unacceptable to some. I've seen this exact scenario, even down to the trip to the hospital for a family member, played out many many times to the detriment of the buyer. Apparently you have not. Or you don't care. Or, you just don't get it.

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You are, again, 100% wrong. She asked for advice. I have given mine. It is not the same as yours. This seems to only be a problem with YOU.

What's the guys name?

Is this even for real?

The excuses are poor, unacceptable to some. I've seen this exact scenario, even down to the trip to the hospital for a family member, played out many many times to the detriment of the buyer. Apparently you have not. Or you don't care. Or, you just don't get it.

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I mean, I can see the other side too where it would be helpful to know the person's name--especially if the person is new to the hobby-- to help them with advice. The excuses are kind of bad--not even legit sounding. Next thing you know, the seller's dog will have ate the homework... er I mean snakes :rofl:

Going to jump in here really quick....

I'm going to agree with not releasing the name of the seller until we have further information. Why? Because people here already have a negative vibe about this seller. Even if he turns out to be legitimate, everyone who cares for the name is going to remember 'That one time...' where he was delayed in shipping for whatever reason. What's the point of bringing up the name if the information is currently at a stand-still? It doesn't benefit the OP with their snakes. It doesn't benefit the seller, especially if someone here takes it upon themselves to contact them about this situation.

If the OP feels the need, I'm sure they will post feedback on the BOI. In the meantime, I don't see how releasing the name will benefit anyone in this immediate situation. If you are wanting the name for your own personal information, then I'd say PM the OP and get the information for yourself. But don't drag it out into the open when people are so ready to light torches. Let it play itself out. We'll know soon enough, one way or another :gj:

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Going to jump in here really quick....

I'm going to agree with not releasing the name of the seller until we have further information. Why? Because people here already have a negative vibe about this seller. Even if he turns out to be legitimate, everyone who cares for the name is going to remember 'That one time...' where he was delayed in shipping for whatever reason. What's the point of bringing up the name if the information is currently at a stand-still? It doesn't benefit the OP with their snakes. It doesn't benefit the seller, especially if someone here takes it upon themselves to contact them about this situation.

If the OP feels the need, I'm sure they will post feedback on the BOI. In the meantime, I don't see how releasing the name will benefit anyone in this immediate situation. If you are wanting the name for your own personal information, then I'd say PM the OP and get the information for yourself. But don't drag it out into the open when people are so ready to light torches. Let it play itself out. We'll know soon enough, one way or another :gj:

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You are, again, 100% wrong. She asked for advice. I have given mine. It is not the same as yours. This seems to only be a problem with YOU.

What's the guys name?

Is this even for real?

The excuses are poor, unacceptable to some. I've seen this exact scenario, even down to the trip to the hospital for a family member, played out many many times to the detriment of the buyer. Apparently you have not. Or you don't care. Or, you just don't get it.

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"What's the sellers name?" is not advise. Am I at least just 99% wrong now?

You guys do realize that things happen right I know me personally have had weeks where one thing after the other happened like last month I was going to buy a few snakes but then my jeep got caught in a flood I got a 500$ light bill my building I bought for my snakes got delayed because of the floods and my wife moved out and this was just in a week now how believable does that Sound? I know it sounds ridiculous and it happened to me! So what I'm saying is just because it sounds like a bunch of bs doesn't mean its not true people have bad weeks day months ect... it happens to us all so lay off a little bit I don't understand why u guys wanna put the man on blast just because of three delays he has contacted him each and every time so its obvious hes not avoiding him.

man there seems to be alot of disagreements here. let the OP get back and say what happend.

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Are you really that dim? Knowing who the seller is, possibly a name already known for either good or bad, can be quite important in subsequent advice. I'll break it down even more for you since you seem to not understand how this can work.

If it's a well known name, or a name that can be vouched for by someone known and trusted, then a logical conclusion not to worry can be reasonably reached.

If it is a well known name for being a bad guy, time is of the essence.

If it an unknown name then here we have the beginning of a reputation for either good or bad.

See how it works?

it was a guy on youtube which doesn't sound so good

I wanna know what the update on this story is lol. Any news?

Well it looks like the OP needs to update this thread since he is posting pics of one of the snakes that he received nice and healthy.

yepyep I'll update my opening post.
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either way his fauna is michele769
his youtube is
http://www.youtube.com/user/ballpython76

Great guy, a little bit of a wait, but well worth it because these animals are amazing.

Glad to hear all went well, Hanna.

Just saw this thread today for the first time. I actually got a nice big hognose female from him a few months ago. I sent him a deposit and then he delivered her to a local reptile show where we closed the deal. I felt he was really easy to work with and the snake is doing great.

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Are you really that dim? Knowing who the seller is, possibly a name already known for either good or bad, can be quite important in subsequent advice. I'll break it down even more for you since you seem to not understand how this can work.

If it's a well known name, or a name that can be vouched for by someone known and trusted, then a logical conclusion not to worry can be reasonably reached.

If it is a well known name for being a bad guy, time is of the essence.

If it an unknown name then here we have the beginning of a reputation for either good or bad.

See how it works?

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So, other than some poor communication skills, this guys seems to be alright. Provided he improves this is a good start to establishing a good online reputation. Without the name the person who got the hognose could not have added their information about him.

Sometimes the ride can be rough. The good guys figure it out. Hopefully this guy will too.

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I can see that your superior intelligence has allowed to you ponder and discard the notion that had this actually been a guy who was set on thievery, a name would have been important for a number of reasons. No doubt you considered them all, the fact that time would be of the essence (the longer the time from the crime the less likely the crook to be caught as you no doubt were quite well aware), along with the fact that when people who are running scams rarely stick to a single victim. Of course your well endowed cranium stretcher knew this, knew that it was a valid concern, but somehow, being the uber-intelligent member of this little inquiry, decided for all that it was simply not necessary in spite of the fact that had you been wrong it would not have been your loss, but that of an innocent victim. I'm sure you gave this considerable consideration before chiming in time and again, get it chime and time not only rhyme, but make a wonderful double entendre', that there was no need for ANYONE, no matter what opinion they may have had, needed to know anything about this person. I suppose I should, really, thank you for being so willing to take the responsibility upon your no doubt overly broad shoulders and bear the burden for those of us too consumed with actually trying to help the OP to understand the depths of the depravity that asking his identity exposed in those of us so foolish as to think it important at all. Oh, if only I were so wise as you. Sigh.

Trust me boyo, had this gone south, that name would have been of significance of which you seem, either arrogantly and stupidly intentionally or from pure ignorance, to be oblivious.

But hey, you've no doubt busted a scammer or three and well know the plays of the game most likely to lead to a successful outcome for the party wronged, not a doubt in my mind that were I to be in the OP's position yours would be the first name I would want to see offering aid and sage advice.

AHAHAHAHAHahahahHAhahahAhahAHahAHAhahaHAhahAhahahahaha

I just couldn't do it anymore, it was getting to thick to walk through, but thanks for the vocabulary exercise. See you sleuthing on the BOI.

Oh wait, you don't play in the big-boy sand box, do you? Well, the kiddie pool here needs you too, never you worry about that big guy, you're very very important.