Lesser/platty question?

Ok so im getting my baby lesser this week and ive been doing some research but i have some questions just to try to clear up the geneology here.

To my understanding:
All Lessers are descendants of the original platinum or "platty daddy". That snake produced what we call lesser platinums. The lessers look slightly different then the original. Its been proven that the platty daddy carried another ressessive gene that is passed to the normal looking offspring from the platty daddy....

If any of this is wrong stop me here... Lol

My question is if these normal looking platty gene carriers are essentially "het" for this gene, Has anyone bred two of these together to try to single out and produce a visual of this extra morph that the platty daddy has but not the lesser?

If it happens to just be a morph everyone knows of already try not to burn me down too hard lol. Just tryin to get the jist of things here.

Im sure this has been discussed but i couldnt find this exact question

37 views and no responses? Whenever i look it up i seem to get alot of half answers.

I'm not exactly a biology major, and I honestly don't really follow the intricate morph genetics stuff...but I have always been under the impression that lesser is not recessive, therefore there is no "het" for it. It's either visual, or it's not...

But who knows, the genetics stuff gets so scientific and sounds German to me, it changes daily as far as I can tell, and depends on who you ask lol.

from my understanding the "All Lessers are descendants of the original platinum or "platty daddy". That snake produced what we call lesser platinums. The lessers look slightly different then the original. " is 100% true. However I do not know if there was ever proof of an additional gene that made the orignial what it was because (from my understanding) it was never reproduced.

This is similar to the "white smoke" which started the coral glows, and it seems the bananas arent far off either. If one were to guess and hypothoize about these genes, it seems the coral glows and bananas could have a similar behavior as the BELs (mojave, lesser, butter).

(Please keep in mind, this is purely based on what my understanding is and those that know feel free to correct me)

Your best bet is to check out Ralph Davis' site/YouTube channel. If there is a public answer to your question it will be found there.

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Originally Posted by LGray23

I'm not exactly a biology major, and I honestly don't really follow the intricate morph genetics stuff...but I have always been under the impression that lesser is not recessive, therefore there is no "het" for it. It's either visual, or it's not...

But who knows, the genetics stuff gets so scientific and sounds German to me, it changes daily as far as I can tell, and depends on who you ask lol.

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Im not saying lessers are recessive. The original snake which was the dad of the first lessers is thought to carry 2 genes, 1 being "lesser,and the other being the unknown gene to which my question pertains to

@ tcutting, i read ralphs website and it mentions breeding the normal "suspected het" offspring back to the original and recreating the platinum. I may be wrong but im pretty sure i read that. Thats kinda where my question originates

This is the gene in question: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/het-daddy/

According to world of Ball Pythons the only morph related to the het daddy gene is the Platty Daddy...

And that the "het daddy" is dominate

What happened is the platinum is a combo. A lesser allele plus a daddy allele make a platinum, they sit on the same locus. Daddy gene is so subtle you could mistake it for a normal. If you breed a platinum to a normal, you produce lessers and all the non lessers are have the daddy gene.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

What happened is the platinum is a combo. A lesser allele plus a daddy allele make a platinum, they sit on the same locus. Daddy gene is so subtle you could mistake it for a normal. If you breed a platinum to a normal, you produce lessers and all the non lessers are have the daddy gene.

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So what if u breed daddy to something else. Could effect it has on lessers be applied to something else?

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Originally Posted by Izzys Keeper

Im not saying lessers are recessive. The original snake which was the dad of the first lessers is thought to carry 2 genes, 1 being "lesser,and the other being the unknown gene to which my question pertains to

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as far as I know you are correct. the original platinum, when bred to a normal female, produced only lessers and normal-looking offspring that were 'het for platinum.' in order to produce a true platinum, you'd have to pair a typical lesser with a 'het daddy' to use RDR's terminology.

I asked a similar question not long ago about whether the platinum 'hidden gene' is allelic with the entire leucistic complex and it seems to be. I know I saw a clutch of 'mojave daddy' offspring on bush league from a mojave x het platinum pairing.

I think using the term 'hidden gene' is a misnomer but the normal looking offspring from a platinum do indeed produce a different snake when paired with a lesser. I also don't know why there isn't more work being done with the platinums themselves. perhaps mr. davis keeps those stock back more than not or perhaps there just isn't sufficient interest when lessers already look as great as they do.

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Originally Posted by Izzys Keeper

So what if u breed daddy to something else. Could effect it has on lessers be applied to something else?

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In theory any genes in the bel complex would be your best bet, but it could have an effect with any gene, don't know til you try

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Originally Posted by Izzys Keeper

So what if u breed daddy to something else. Could effect it has on lessers be applied to something else?

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that is the exact question I had not too long ago. I believe serpent nirvana directed me to a link from someone who produced a 'butter daddy' from a non-RDR butter. I cannot recall which thread or who the breeder was though.

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Originally Posted by wwmjkd

. I also don't know why there isn't more work being done with the platinums themselves. perhaps mr. davis keeps those stock back more than not or perhaps there just isn't sufficient interest when lessers already look as great as they do.

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Or the 2k price tag on a near normal looking snake which is hard to ID without having other genes with it :)

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Or the 2k price tag on a near normal looking snake which is hard to ID without having other genes with it :)

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indeed.

I am interested to know more though. might well be worth it one day. I don't see a great deal of difference between buying a 'het' platinum and investing in a pair of expensive double hets.

I too would like to see what else it can do with other morphs down the road. would be curious if the same thing happened with the Coral glows and bananas.

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Originally Posted by wwmjkd

indeed.

I am interested to know more though. might well be worth it one day. I don't see a great deal of difference between buying a 'het' platinum and investing in a pair of expensive double hets.

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Double hets = potentially much longer project lol. 1/16 odds can be hard to hit sometimes.

Also another side note, daddy gene has also been mixed with phantom, rdr calls them phantom 44

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Double hets = potentially much longer project lol. 1/16 odds can be hard to hit sometimes.

Also another side note, daddy gene has also been mixed with phantom, rdr calls them phantom 44

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that's right, I'd forgotten about the 44s.