The Pros and Cons between Live and Froze!????????????

Is Frozen Rat Really Healthier Than Live?
One of Hong Kong breeder said that do not feed a live cause your snake will die. And always judge me feed a live. How annoying!?
Can anyone tell me the true of it !??? Plz!!!

There is no difference in nutrition between feeding live and frozen.
I only feed frozen, so I can't give any input on feeding live other than it's a personal choice and thousands of people feed live successfully without incident. I choose to feed frozen simply because (personal reasons don't make fun of me lol)
1) I feel bad for the rat...yes pathetic I know..
2) I am terrified that my snake will get injured
3) Much easier, I just buy them in bulk and store in my freezer, thaw out as needed
4) I don't have to explain to my 4 y/o son about the magic disappearing "pet" rats...
5) It gives just as much benefit to my snakes as feeding live, without the anxiety I'd get

Like I said, I have nothing against live feeders, I personally don't do it because it's much easier on me, but to answer your question: a live rat, a dead rat, is still a rat.

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Originally Posted by daji_

Is Frozen Rat Really Healthier Than Live?
One of Hong Kong breeder said that do not feed a live cause your snake will die. And always judge me feed a live. How annoying!?
Can anyone tell me the true of it !??? Plz!!!

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If snakes died from catching and killing their own live prey, then how is it our world is covered in beautiful wild snakes? :P

There IS a chance that a live rodent can injure a snake with a hard bite in just the wrong place. (Face and eye are the most vulnerable to a quick defensive bite) But the horror stories you see of snakes half-eaten by their "prey" are NOT from responsible feedings. That only happens when a starving, dehydrated rodent is left alone for hours or days at a time with a snake who has no interest in eating.

The fact is, out of the millions of live feedings done every day among breeders and keepers around the world, only a minute fraction ever end up as serious injuries. And I've NEVER heard of a live rodent killing a snake during a responsibly conducted feeding.

There is ALSO a risk of killing or making your snake sick with feeding frozen prey. If it is not thoroughly thawed, the partly frozen insides of the prey animal can make your snake seriously sick. Also, prey that has been heated too much could cause interior burns, and cooked meat can also make the snake sick.

There is risk and consequence in everything we do. Our responsibility as keepers is to understand those risks and do all we can to minimize them. Decide what works best for you and do your best to do it right. :)

Tell your HK breeder that I've fed over 15K live prey items over the past 6 years, and amazingly, all my ball pythons are still alive! :P

Oh boy here we go :P

One of mine eats thawed and the other eats live. The one that eats thawed has done it since day one and i will leave him on it; and the other that eats live has done it to since day one and I will continue. I watch closely and would never leave the live prey and my snake alone or leave in its enclosure over a period of time and even feed in there...well because there is loose substrate

I feed all 45 of my snakes live down to hatchlings. I've never had a problem. Ever. Not one.

The biggest pro of feeding live is that they are more readily taken than f/t.. though numerous snakes take f/t easily every meal their entire lives.

A second big pro to feeding live, if you breed your own feeders, is availability. It's there and ready to go. If you don't breed your own, then a LACK of availability is a big con.

Other than that, F/T has plenty of pros that make it my #1 choice

I cap the photo and show him.
He said I have no enough the basis of argument.
I dun know why he always post a lot of the Ball Pythons in Captivity !???
He done everything just want the people trust him and buy the frozen from him!?
He is a really merchant in HK. Always lie the people.
Always said his snake all come from the VPI , is the best!???
And the best snake each cost over 30% !??? How horrible !?
As I know that VPI won't let the people order the snake cause that guy is a HK Exclusive Distributor !??
I dun think a profressional will do this !??

http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/t...n/586b2503.jpg

Omg what happened to that beautiful snake? That's awful. Was that a shipping issue?

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Originally Posted by Homegrownscales

Omg what happened to that beautiful snake? That's awful. Was that a shipping issue?

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HK breeder said the snake dead of feeding live !???

No I don't think that's what happened. If a snake would die from being fed live ALL of my snakes should be dead many many times over. Do wild snakes have a vending machine that holds out a frozen thawed rat??? Uhhh no they catch live prey. That death more then likely happened from bad husbandry ie too cold, over heat, bad shipping or disease of some sort. I looks to be a bit of blood there by the vent but I can't tell exactly what went on. I could understand if a live prey chewed through the snake fataly injuring it but I see no evidence of trauma. Beyond the bit of blood there. A snake that gets live prey even once won't die from it unless it's too large of a meal and ruptures something or impacts them and they die a month or two later of sepsis. Most snakes unless they are starving will turn away a huge meal or not be able to swallow it. And that can happen with frozen thawed as well so thats not just a live issue. That's knowing what size prey your snake should be on. Which in turn is a husbandry issue. Don't let this idiot tell you otherwise. Bring this forum to him. Let him get on and explain his reasoning. But to me it just looks like he wants to make $ off of people by selling them frozen. And thats a slimy thing to do. He's lying. I have over 40 ball pythons and every single one eats live and some have eaten live their whole lives.

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Originally Posted by Homegrownscales

No I don't think that's what happened. If a snake would die from being fed live ALL of my snakes should be dead many many times over. Do wild snakes have a vending machine that holds out a frozen thawed rat??? Uhhh no they catch live prey. That death more then likely happened from bad husbandry ie too cold, over heat, bad shipping or disease of some sort. I looks to be a bit of blood there by the vent but I can't tell exactly what went on. I could understand if a live prey chewed through the snake fataly injuring it but I see no evidence of trauma. Beyond the bit of blood there. A snake that gets live prey even once won't die from it unless it's too large of a meal and ruptures something or impacts them and they die a month or two later of sepsis. Most snakes unless they are starving will turn away a huge meal or not be able to swallow it. And that can happen with frozen thawed as well so thats not just a live issue. That's knowing what size prey your snake should be on. Which in turn is a husbandry issue. Don't let this idiot tell you otherwise. Bring this forum to him. Let him get on and explain his reasoning. But to me it just looks like he wants to make $ off of people by selling them frozen. And thats a slimy thing to do. He's lying. I have over 40 ball pythons and every single one eats live and some have eaten live their whole lives.

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He won't come !! He just want to be a Fake Pro in trifling HK forum.
Really THZ your appropriate comment ;)

Copy and paste the replies from this thread to the other or paste the link from this page. Make him eat his words. People should see the truth if that's what he's doing.

Pros of feeding live - as mentioned before, availability. If raising your own, you can decide what to feed it, in theory making it more nutritious, but I don't honestly think it makes much of a difference.
Cons of feeding live - mice and rats have sharp teeth. rabbits have strong legs with sharp claws and big teeth.

Pros of pre-killed - smells more like live prey, as it is recently dead, more likely to be eaten than f/t by a picky snake than f/t.
Cons of pre-killed - can be messy, and not everybody is capable or willing to humanely kill an animal used for food.

Pros of f/t - convenience, dead food doesn't bite or kick, 'moral' issues for some people
cons of f/t - can be difficult to encourage a picky snake to start on f/t, sometimes they smell gross.


If possible, I feed f/t to all snakes that will take them, because while it is uncommon for a rat or mouse to cause (serious) injury to a snake if fed carefully while being watched, if I'm going to spend lots of money and invest my time and affection towards a snake, I'm not going to take the risk of letting it get hurt.

I have actually seen a young red tail get seriously injured by a barely weaned mouse (you know, the ones that seem like they can barely break human skin if they bite?). The mouse was not starved, and had not been kept in an improper habitat. The snake grabbed the mouse by it's back end, leaving it's front half more or less free, and coiled it in such a way that the mouse bit the skin near the snake's spine in the lower 3rd of it's body. The snake's skin essentially 'unzipped' as it attempted to coil tighter instead of releasing and re-striking for a better grip. There was about half an inch of the snake's spine exposed, and this all happened in seconds. (With a make-shift bandage until he could get to the vet, he was stitched up and survived with a barely noticeable scar).

I've also seen plenty of snakes with nasty scars around their eyes, or even missing eyes because all it takes is one lucky bite from the rat if it is not grabbed in the right place.

Uncommon to cause serious injury? Highly, but if a snake will take f/t from me, I'd prefer to limit my risks. I'm lucky so far in that my snakes I have currently that haven't fully taken to eating f/t also only grab their mice by the neck or face, or release and try again if it tries to bite them.

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Originally Posted by Homegrownscales

Copy and paste the replies from this thread to the other or paste the link from this page. Make him eat his words. People should see the truth if that's what he's doing.

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He said I JUST COPY THE POINT SUPPORT myself.
Not a true.
http://www.reptiles.hk/viewthread.ph...age%3D1&page=9
He use lots of NERD photo to support the frozen
And said that the expert always feed the frozen ;
He said the ball not suitable to feed lager rat before
cause the rat claw will damage the snake internal organs ;

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Originally Posted by daji_

Is Frozen Rat Really Healthier Than Live?
One of Hong Kong breeder said that do not feed a live cause your snake will die. And always judge me feed a live. How annoying!?
Can anyone tell me the true of it !??? Plz!!!

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Hey Daji,

Please stop blackmailing me over here.

First of all, I have been feeding lives too, I feed my baby ball pythons with live mice.
what I am saying is pre-kill and frozen are better food source in Hong Kong due to live rodents is relatively hard to find over here. I have Never !! said anything about feeding live will kill your snake, that is a stupid statement and you are the one who making it up in here ! What I said was live rodents might cause injury on your snakes ! Especially jumbo rats !!

Regarding the snake death, I never said it was caused by feeding live !!!!! Please don't pretend you can't read Chinese, I said it died after eating a huge meal !!!! A keeper in Hong Kong fed that snake a jumbo rat. we brought the corps to the vet, the vet said it died of internal bleeding.

Do not lie ! and cut and paste responses from this great forum and stick it back into the Hong Kong forum and treat it as supporting statements !!!

You can't hide from what you are doing !! We have Google now !

For guys over here, sorry for all the nonsense.

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Originally Posted by daji_

He said the ball not suitable to feed lager rat before
cause the rat claw will damage the snake internal organs ;

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LOL! That's a real joke! Not to say: pure BS!
Come on, a dead rat can't move his legs to claw at the snake's innards! And when a snake eats a rat, the legs fold backward along the sides of the rat's body and just slide in smoothly along with the rest. They can't ever damage the internal organs.

Saying that the limbs will protrude and scratch the snake's digestive tube is like pretending the hair would stand up and backward on the rat's back to prevent the snake from swallowing its prey! Totally impossible and ludicrous.

Let me guess what is his interest in making people believe such a story... :confused:
1- He makes more profit selling more mice or smaller rats than large ones.
2- He has a hard time getting large rats and thus prefers selling small ones.
4- He is afraid of large rodents and thus prefers selling small ones.
3- Errr... Can't fathom any more ideas, but this is still ridiculous and smelly.
Personally, I'd be inclined to think this fairytale has to do with money/profit.

***For your own sake, never buy from this person because he is shameless and very dishonest and would most certainly not have any qualms with selling you anything, including very bad stuff, to make a profit.***

About the dead snake: I have seen a lot of pictures of snakes that have been bitten by a rat, including pretty extensive wounds. Some people like to put them on my hometown's reptile forum. You can find many such pictures on Google Images. These wounds look like the rat has chewed at the snake's skin, exposing the flesh on a more or less large surface.

This snake is nothing like that. It has a disproportionately thin, outstreched neck, that's already weird in itself. There is no flesh wound that we can see and there is something lookind like a bloody discharge near the vent. This doesn't look at all like a flesh wound, but rather like some kind of diarrhea, or the release of the gut that happens after death.

What a crappy story! (Sorry for the bad pun). ;):P

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Originally Posted by Homegrownscales

No I don't think that's what happened. If a snake would die from being fed live ALL of my snakes should be dead many many times over. Do wild snakes have a vending machine that holds out a frozen thawed rat??? Uhhh no they catch live prey. That death more then likely happened from bad husbandry ie too cold, over heat, bad shipping or disease of some sort. I looks to be a bit of blood there by the vent but I can't tell exactly what went on. I could understand if a live prey chewed through the snake fataly injuring it but I see no evidence of trauma. Beyond the bit of blood there. A snake that gets live prey even once won't die from it unless it's too large of a meal and ruptures something or impacts them and they die a month or two later of sepsis. Most snakes unless they are starving will turn away a huge meal or not be able to swallow it. And that can happen with frozen thawed as well so thats not just a live issue. That's knowing what size prey your snake should be on. Which in turn is a husbandry issue. Don't let this idiot tell you otherwise. Bring this forum to him. Let him get on and explain his reasoning. But to me it just looks like he wants to make $ off of people by selling them frozen. And thats a slimy thing to do. He's lying. I have over 40 ball pythons and every single one eats live and some have eaten live their whole lives.

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Hi Homegrownscales,

I appreciate your comments, please understand that Daji is not fully expressing what I said in the Hong Kong forum. I recommend feeding frozen mainly due the availability over here. We do not have big and reputable rodent breeders like the ones in US, so frozen gives us a more stable food source. Also, I said that feeding live big rats might caused injury to your snakes if unattended. So I suggest that for the snake which eat lives only, a pre-kill rodents might be a better idea.

The snake that died belongs to my friend, it died at the night after swallowing a hugh meal. I did bring the corpus to the vet, and vet said it was died due to internal bleeding...so we guess the jumbo rat nails might have punctured it's internal organs.....The snake wasn't killed by live rats !! Daji is making this up and she wants to post your reply and use it on the Hong Kong forum.

Daji you can't hide now.... !

You are LIE again! I remember that you feed the frozen to the baby ball python! Maybe you lie all the time so you forget what you post before! You say the ball python net keeper not professional ! Ok ,that's fine, you change your mind and say you feed the live mice to the baby! I will copy what you say in here!

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Originally Posted by daji_

You are LIE again! I remember that you feed the frozen to the baby ball python! Maybe you lie all the time so you forget what you post before! You say the ball python net keeper not professional ! Ok ,that's fine, you change your mind and say you feed the live mice to the baby! I will copy what you say in here!

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My god....

I feed live rat pup, fuzzy and mice to babies, I also feed frozen to babies if they have good feeding response!..and then I start switching them to bigger frozen as they gradually takes larger meals.

Do not accuse me of being irrespecutful to comments by the forum members here. I treasure all comments and I enjoy sharing ideas with others.

Please be sensible and share your views clearly and honestly.
Please do not make anything up...otherwise it makes the whole discussion pointless.....

John , I dun think the keeper in this forum they dun know chinese lor ;)

Wow. :weirdface

Ok. Seems to me like whatever the initial misunderstanding might have been, we ALL seem to be on the same page about live vs. frozen/thawed now. John presented reasonable arguments about why he advocates f/t and did not seem to express any illogical reasons against feeding live.

Daji, you wanted reassurance (I guess? :confused: ) that your methods of feeding your own snakes were safe. I think we gave that to you. What does it matter what John thinks or does, so long as you know you're doing the best you can for your own animals?

You're right in assuming that MOST of the members here can not read Chinese...however, you two are not the only Chinese speaking members we have and I'm quite sure we can find someone to read any C&P'ed material from the Hong Kong forum. If nothing else, my own sister-in-law is Chinese and I can get a direct translation from her if I need to. ....just saying....

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j335/daji_/2321.jpg

Here, he feed the live to the baby !? but he suggest feed frozen to other keeper ?! What's wrong !?

I think every person has their own views on frozen vs live. On this screen shot it looks like to me anyways he is suggesting to another keeper on how to switch their snake to frozen thawed. While every person and keeper has their own veiws on it. Both are correct. I know that jumbo rats live can cause serious damage, frozen or live. Therefore I don't feed jumbos. If the snake is too small to be eating a large or jumbo rat yes it can cause serious damage by rupturing the stomach or intestines and creating and internal infection. This will happen frozen thawed or live. Really to be a good keeper you must know how large of prey to feed, and do it safely whether you use frozen or live. And know how to provide for your animals. There is nothing wrong with either way. It doesn't appear to me that the snake in the pic was fed to large of prey but you cannot also really tell from that picture. It certainly didn't die because it was fed a live rat. If the prey was to large then that is a faulty keeper. Most prey that is eaten that is too large will not even be swallowed or it will be regurgitated. But this isn't always the case. Just because a snake looks big enough to eat a jumbo rat doesn't mean they should be. I've never used jumbos on even my largest girls. I feel that jumbos are way too large for a ball python and I don't use larges either. The largest meal I would use on even one of my big girls is like a decent sized medium. But I go for smaller meals fed more frequently. Anyways it appears there was a misunderstanding in some way. Now that we all agree that either way is no better than the other we can move on from the squabbling.

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Originally Posted by johnloon

My god....

I feed live rat pup, fuzzy and mice to babies, I also feed frozen to babies if they have good feeding response!..and then I start switching them to bigger frozen as they gradually takes larger meals.

Do not accuse me of being irrespecutful to comments by the forum members here. I treasure all comments and I enjoy sharing ideas with others.

Please be sensible and share your views clearly and honestly.
Please do not make anything up...otherwise it makes the whole discussion pointless.....

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Originally Posted by daji_

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j335/daji_/2321.jpg

Here, he feed the live to the baby !? but he suggest feed frozen to other keeper ?! What's wrong !?

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I am glad that you post the screen shot out. I was just helping a forum member to switch from live to frozen. Is there anything wrong with that??

I hope the forum member can be the judge on this.

They should be the judge of this. Personally, I have always fed live. I know that there are dangers of doing this. That is why the snakes are never left alone with a live prey just sitting in their enclosures. I hold it for them by the tail. If they seem disinterested, then the prey goes back into it's own tub until the snakes are hungry.

If a person feels uncomfortable feeding live, you can always switch over to FT. Here's something I found on switching:
http://www.herpcenter.com/feeding-sn...en-thawed.html

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Originally Posted by daji_

Here, he feed the live to the baby !? but he suggest feed frozen to other keeper ?! What's wrong !?

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:confused: I see someone suggesting that if you start out feeding frozen to young ball pythons, it's easier in the long run to have a consistent f/t feeder. Which makes sense to me. Nowhere in there does he make any statements at all about his own feeding practices. He's just answering someone else's question. I answer questions all the time about how to safely feed live....but I feed my own snakes f/t. Does that make me hypocritical?

While I understand the frustration one might feel at seeing someone spreading blatantly false information, I do NOT see any evidence that John is such a person. All I can figure is that you've gotten the idea that John is some kind of bad guy, and therefore anything he says will be interpreted by you in that light and misunderstood, no matter what he says.

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Originally Posted by daji_

He said I JUST COPY THE POINT SUPPORT myself.
Not a true.
http://www.reptiles.hk/viewthread.ph...age%3D1&page=9
He use lots of NERD photo to support the frozen
And said that the expert always feed the frozen ;
He said the ball not suitable to feed lager rat before
cause the rat claw will damage the snake internal organs ;

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Being that I'm a personal friend of Kevin's at NERD, and have been a guest at his facility on three separate occasions for almost a week each time - I can tell you that NERD does feed live. I know this, because I've fed his ball pythons, and we fed them live.

He's full of it, and he knows it, which is why he has an excuse for what you print and an excuse for not coming on here. Every large breeder here in the States has fed live. There are a handful that feed f/t, because they simply don't care to deal with breeding their own rodents, and f/t is easier to get in large volumes.

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Originally Posted by johnloon

Hey Daji,

Please stop blackmailing me over here.

First of all, I have been feeding lives too, I feed my baby ball pythons with live mice.
what I am saying is pre-kill and frozen are better food source in Hong Kong due to live rodents is relatively hard to find over here. I have Never !! said anything about feeding live will kill your snake, that is a stupid statement and you are the one who making it up in here ! What I said was live rodents might cause injury on your snakes ! Especially jumbo rats !!

Regarding the snake death, I never said it was caused by feeding live !!!!! Please don't pretend you can't read Chinese, I said it died after eating a huge meal !!!! A keeper in Hong Kong fed that snake a jumbo rat. we brought the corps to the vet, the vet said it died of internal bleeding.

Do not lie ! and cut and paste responses from this great forum and stick it back into the Hong Kong forum and treat it as supporting statements !!!

You can't hide from what you are doing !! We have Google now !

For guys over here, sorry for all the nonsense.

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My deepest apologies to John - I had not read that far. Clearly I need to read the whole thread before responding again.

Thank you for coming on here and replying. It was a good lesson for me not to make snap judgements.

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Originally Posted by JLC

:confused: I see someone suggesting that if you start out feeding frozen to young ball pythons, it's easier in the long run to have a consistent f/t feeder. Which makes sense to me. Nowhere in there does he make any statements at all about his own feeding practices. He's just answering someone else's question. I answer questions all the time about how to safely feed live....but I feed my own snakes f/t. Does that make me hypocritical?

While I understand the frustration one might feel at seeing someone spreading blatantly false information, I do NOT see any evidence that John is such a person. All I can figure is that you've gotten the idea that John is some kind of bad guy, and therefore anything he says will be interpreted by you in that light and misunderstood, no matter what he says.

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After putting both feet in my mouth - I have to say that I agree 100% with Judy's assessment here.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

After putting both feet in my mouth - I have to say that I agree 100% with Judy's assessment here.

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LOL...we all have to taste a little toe once in a while. :P

The whole thing is an excellent example of how compelling just one side of the story can be, and how quickly it turns out to be nothing but tissue paper when the other side suddenly appears.

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Originally Posted by JLC

Wow. :weirdface

Ok. Seems to me like whatever the initial misunderstanding might have been, we ALL seem to be on the same page about live vs. frozen/thawed now. John presented reasonable arguments about why he advocates f/t and did not seem to express any illogical reasons against feeding live.

Daji, you wanted reassurance (I guess? :confused: ) that your methods of feeding your own snakes were safe. I think we gave that to you. What does it matter what John thinks or does, so long as you know you're doing the best you can for your own animals?

You're right in assuming that MOST of the members here can not read Chinese...however, you two are not the only Chinese speaking members we have and I'm quite sure we can find someone to read any C&P'ed material from the Hong Kong forum. If nothing else, my own sister-in-law is Chinese and I can get a direct translation from her if I need to. ....just saying....

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OK - lunch hour is almost over (aren't you glad?) LOL

My best friend here at work is Taiwanese - I have him translate for me all the time.

In fact, I had to send an e-mail to China today that I wrote in English, and to make sure that they understood my e-mail (it was "warning shot" e-mail that we may be looking for other vendors based on their performance), I asked him to translate to Chinese - so that the e-mail was in both English and Chinese, and there would be no doubt what my message was.

So yes, many of us, while we can't read or speak Chinese, have easy access to individuals who would be happy to assist us.

Hello Judy, rabernet and homegrownscales. Thank you very much for all your reply to this thread. It's a relief for me to read all your recent replys.

I think I should post out the original thread that was written by chinese, then you know how the story begins and I owe you all an apology.

This is a brief translation on the chinese:

The pros and cons of frozen vs live has always been a controversial topic among breeders here and overseas. From most of the reputable ball python breeders that I know of, they feed both live and frozen rodents.

For myself, I do breed my own rodents, and I fed both live/ frozen too. Live are mostly on pinky rats and fuzzy mice, these are mainly for my hatchling ball pythons. When I feed large rats....it needs to be pre killed for sure.

Majority of my ball python are fed on frozen, because I started them on thawn as soon as they were born....normally on the 5th to 6th meals after birth..most of them accept frozen readily.

As for nutrition value, I didn't notice any difference in egg productions or health issues between snakes that are fed on live or frozen. However, I feel that a live rodents eating snake is harder to trigger them in feeding again once they went off fed after breeding season.

In my own opinion, I believe that frozen is an easier way for me to use. I can keep a large amount of rodents in my freezer for a long time , just the same as our frozen meat. During summer, when the live rodents production is low, the frozen rodents will be a good stable food source for my ball python collection. I believe most of the members here has the experience in having difficulties to buy live rodents during the summer in Hong Kong...

I am not against live feeding, but if I were to choose, I would prefer frozen, mainly due to it's convenience issue.

To keep a stable live rodent supply is not easy, where as, keeping a freezer full of frozen rodents is much easier.



近排餵活鼠定雪鼠成了熱話, 在外國也各有支持者, 我認識的有品牌Breeder 中, 大部份活鼠及雪鼠都有餵, (但活鼠是Fuzzy, pinky, 大白一定要pre-kill 的)
我自己也有大量繁殖白鼠, 也是活/ 雪也有用到, 活鼠主要用( pinky rat, Fuzzy mice) 主要是初生球開食用的, 大白成體也一定要 prekill.

我自己絕大部份的球蟒都是吃雪鼠而這是自小養成的習慣, 並不難教, 一般出生後第五至六餐已會吃雪鼠, 吃雪鼠的小球一樣能健康生長

至於, 營養價值方面, 我在繁殖球中, 並沒有發現吃活鼠的蛇產量高一些或健康一些, 相反吃活鼠的球停食後一般較難開口......

對我自己來說, 雪鼠是較方便的, 放在零下-18度的冰箱中可存很久, 跟我們吃的冰鮮肉一樣, 而在夏天時鼠產量較少而蛇的食量增加的情況下, 雪鼠便能確保蛇有足夠的食物了, 相信大家都有遇到買不到鼠的時候...

我並不反對餵活鼠, 但可選擇時我一定會餵雪鼠 :)


要保持長期的活鼠供應並不容易....
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幾千隻大白一個雪櫃放嗮, 食物來源穩定
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Well this all goes to show how one side of the story and how it is potrayed effects our judgements on replies. I personally dont see anything wrong with the advice that you gave, you set up is clean and professional and you seem to be another good breeder like the rest of us bp lovers. I am sorry if anything I said was offensive but I am glad you came to tell your side of the situation which is exactly what I suggested to happen. I appreciate you doing so. I cannot read Chinese and dont have access to someone who does but I have no reason to not believe your translation. So I appreciate you coming here despite many posts against you, to tell the other side which turned out to either be a silly misunderstanding, someone trying to bash, or someone that just really didn't understanding the message you were putting out there. I personally do not see anything wrong with that message. Thank you for taking the time to do so.
Morgan

Thanks John! For the record, my co-worker translated the Chinese and it is accurate as John translated it. :)

To be quite honest I thought this was "bait" when I first started reading.
It just goes to show how twisted something can get when posting on a msg board, this is why I think long and hard about what I post and try (for the most part) to keep it were most people should understand it.
I personally feed both, though f/t is nice because you thaw and throw it in LOL it is so quick and easy.

Two of my snakes will only eat live a Corn an BRB all others Frozen...tried many a time with frozen an there a no go so live for them be it mice, rats or mammates.

There are too many variables. It's not practical for large scale breeders to dangle dead rats and make them dance around for dozens of snakes. For the average pet snake owner, frozen is better just because you can buy in bulk so it's cheaper. Plus it is easier on the sensitivities of you or your family if that's a problem. Occasionally they insist on live so it's fine if supervised. I've never heard of a snake getting serious bites from rodents from normal feeding, it's when they are left alone together for hours.

I prefer f/t simply because it's easier for me to defrost rats than it is to be buying live rats every few days. I'm not any more upset about my snake dispatching a live rodent than I am about setting out mousetraps when the rodents decide to move in each fall.

It's all about convenience for me. I don't have any desire to keep a colony of rats. Even though they don't stink as bad as mice, they still stink.