Out of curiosity - Super Pastel x??

I've been reading a bunch about breeding and I want to take a stab at it! The whole process seems to really interest me. Now my question is this, if you had a super pastel female what would you breed it to and why? What would be the possible outcomes etc, and maybe even future prespectives? Thanks!

Fred.

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

I've been reading a bunch about breeding and I want to take a stab at it! The whole process seems to really interest me. Now my question is this, if you had a super pastel female what would you breed it to and why? What would be the possible outcomes etc, and maybe even future prespectives? Thanks!

Fred.

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Here are a few possible outcomes that would look amazing

Super Pastel + Cinn = Sterling
Super Pastel + Pinstripe = Killerblast
Super Pastel + Spider = Killerbee

Super Pastel can be mixed with ANYTHING. I would either mix with Spider, Piebald, Enchi, Desert, Lesser, or even Champange. Can lose with co doms and not getting any normals is always a plus.

I would MAKE SURE it was a quality super pastel though, i've very particular about them and if it's not quality all the pastels you get wont be either.

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Originally Posted by steveboos

Super Pastel can be mixed with ANYTHING. I would either mix with Spider, Piebald, Enchi, Desert, Lesser, or even Champange. Can lose with co doms and not getting any normals is always a plus.

I would MAKE SURE it was a quality super pastel though, i've very particular about them and if it's not quality all the pastels you get wont be either.

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I also was leaning towards spider to get some killer bees, but I'm not just looking to make a buck, I really want an interesting project and some nice results. As for quality, she's the one in my avatar, I think she's absolutely perfect, and I hope she stays that way :) What do you think? Thanks.

Fred.

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Originally Posted by Monster Dodge

Here are a few possible outcomes that would look amazing

Super Pastel + Cinn = Sterling
Super Pastel + Pinstripe = Killerblast
Super Pastel + Spider = Killerbee

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Almost have it.

Super Pastel + Cinn = Pewert
Super Pastel + Pinstripe = Blast
Super Pastel + Spider = Bee

everything will at least be a pastel, but you will not end up with any supers at all.

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Originally Posted by lilbit

Almost have it.

Super Pastel + Cinn = Pewert
Super Pastel + Pinstripe = Blast
Super Pastel + Spider = Bee

everything will at least be a pastel, but you will not end up with any supers at all.

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I thought Super Pastel + Spider = KillerBee, and Pastel + Spider = Bee.. no?

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

I thought Super Pastel + Spider = KillerBee, no?

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nope both parents have to be a pastel to make a super

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Originally Posted by lilbit

nope both parents have to be a pastel to make a super

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So just making sure lilbit:
Bee + Super Pastel = Killerbee?

What other combos would be nice with a Super Pastel?

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

So just making sure lilbit:
Bee + Super Pastel = Killerbee?

What other combos would be nice with a Super Pastel?

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Thats right.
Also you could get Killer bee from pastel + bumblebee if youre lucky.

I would say that any combo with pastel looks nice.

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

So just making sure lilbit:
Bee + Super Pastel = Killerbee?

What other combos would be nice with a Super Pastel?

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yes. you would need pastel on both sides to get a killer bee. your superpastel will pass 1 pastel gene to every offspring, you need at least a bumble bee as the male to make a killerbee. and even with that combo you will end up with

1/4 Pastel
1/4 Bumble Bee
1/4 Super Pastel
1/4 Killer Bee

MALE: Pastel
FEMALE: Bumble Bee

12.5%: Normal
12.5%: Pastel
12.5%: Spider
12.5%: Pastel, Spider
12.5%: Pastel
12.5%: Super Pastel
12.5%: Pastel, Spider
12.5%: Super Pastel, Spider


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So above show super pastel gives you better odds.


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Above my first post I mean lol


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Check out the sterling it is very nice indeed


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If the super pastel were MINE, I'd breed it to a firefly.

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Originally Posted by Mike10205

Check out the sterling it is very nice indeed
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Mike, thanks for the suggestions.. I do like the bumblebee idea.. as well as some others. Im a bit confused as more than one site I've seen list Super Pastel x Spider as Killerbee (not that I dont believe you guys!! I DO! :))

See the listings here for killerbees:
http://www.ballpython.ca/available.html
http://imageevent.com/livingartrepti...=0&w=1&s=0&z=9

AHHH.. I see where the confusion is... you are seeing super pastel x spider on those sites meaning that animal is a super pastel and a spider in one... we are saying you can't make a killer bee with a super pastel and a spider... The "x" is the confusion. when I see "x" I think breeding animal 1 x animal 2 ... in those sites they are seperating the genes in each animal with a "x"...

A killer pastel is a super pastel ( 2 pastel genes ) and a spider but since a parent can only pass down 1 of each gene at once a super pastel only passes a single pastel gene making the baby a normal not a super pastel.

I think theres some cofusion here guys. OP, are you asking what woulkd happen if you crossed a super pastel with a cinni ( super pastel X cinni ).

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are you asking what a single snake with both the super pastel genes and a cinni gene ( super pastel + cinni ).

There is a big difference.

LOL i didn't read the second page. subdriven got to it first. u da man

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Originally Posted by papa wyrm

I think theres some cofusion here guys. OP, are you asking what woulkd happen if you crossed a super pastel with a cinni ( super pastel X cinni ).

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are you asking what a single snake with both the super pastel genes and a cinni gene ( super pastel + cinni ).

There is a big difference.

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Well my thought was I've seen a few places listing that a super pastel x spider would produce a killerbee, but I'm assuming what was meant was super pastel + spider x [x]? Would produce a killerbee? Here's the thing, I have a super pastel female and I'm thinking of breeding her, but I was wondering what would be some great combos.. Thanks again guys! :)

Since your just starting out with the breeding I would stay clear of recessives for now and get a double co dom animal. A pewter, a bee, or a pastel lesser. Those are pretty cheap and would work very well with your super pastel. Just some examples. But I would def. Go with a double gene animal for your super pastel girl. Its all up to you what you want to make. So find something you "just got to have" and work with that

Also how old is your girl, if she is still young I wouldn't worry about getting a male this year and get another female. They take 3 years to get up to size and might as well raise another girl while your waiting for your sp to get up to size.

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Originally Posted by crbballs

Since your just starting out with the breeding I would stay clear of recessives for now and get a double co dom animal. A pewter, a bee, or a pastel lesser. Those are pretty cheap and would work very well with your super pastel. Just some examples. But I would def. Go with a double gene animal for your super pastel girl. Its all up to you what you want to make. So find something you "just got to have" and work with that

Also how old is your girl, if she is still young I wouldn't worry about getting a male this year and get another female. They take 3 years to get up to size and might as well raise another girl while your waiting for your sp to get up to size.

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I have to agree....you have a super pastel! You need another co-dom in there to keep the flow going. A pewter would do awesome. You would have the chances of getting pewters, super pastels, pastels, cinnys. If you did a Bee, you would get super pastels, pastels, bees, spiders.

Since your not in it to make a buck, but looking for a cool project, thats what I'd go for. I have to say, it does get addicting though. I'm picking up my next bp this Thursday, a beautiful High Contrast Albino.

I would also stay away from mixing recessive genes with your super pastel since your not expecting to invest years into a huge project (at least 9 to get some really cool and interesting results). If you do consider getting into recessives, get a female het and a showing recessive male. That way it keeps the cost down.

Good luck, its fun!

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Originally Posted by Evilme5229

I have to agree....you have a super pastel! You need another co-dom in there to keep the flow going. A pewter would do awesome. You would have the chances of getting pewters, super pastels, pastels, cinnys. If you did a Bee, you would get super pastels, pastels, bees, spiders.

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Correction... pewter x super pastel will get you pewters, pastels and super pastels. ( no cinnys ). and Bee x super pastel will get you pastels, bees and super pastels and killer bees. ( no spiders )

:)

Orange Ghosts would not be a bad idea on the resesive side. since you have a super pastel and you get a visual ghost 100% of your clutch will be pastels 100% het for ghost. All visuals and no guess work on het's. Raise those babies up and you have a great shot at SPOG (Super pastel Orange ghosts)

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Originally Posted by Subdriven

Orange Ghosts would not be a bad idea on the resesive side. since you have a super pastel and you get a visual ghost 100% of your clutch will be pastels 100% het for ghost. All visuals and no guess work on het's. Raise those babies up and you have a great shot at SPOG (Super pastel Orange ghosts)

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SPOG huh? sounds interesting.. I may just go that route :) Also, she is Super Pastel x Lesser so I don't know if that makes any difference. Thanks for all the great suggestions.. you guys are awesome.

Fred.

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

Mike, thanks for the suggestions.. I do like the bumblebee idea.. as well as some others. Im a bit confused as more than one site I've seen list Super Pastel x Spider as Killerbee (not that I dont believe you guys!! I DO! :))

See the listings here for killerbees:
http://www.ballpython.ca/available.html
http://imageevent.com/livingartrepti...=0&w=1&s=0&z=9

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Try this it's the best one I think

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/



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Originally Posted by fredanthony

Mike, thanks for the suggestions.. I do like the bumblebee idea.. as well as some others. Im a bit confused as more than one site I've seen list Super Pastel x Spider as Killerbee (not that I dont believe you guys!! I DO! :))

See the listings here for killerbees:
http://www.ballpython.ca/available.html
http://imageevent.com/livingartrepti...=0&w=1&s=0&z=9

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No killer bee. Super pastel can only pass on one pastel gene. Bee is spider x pastel add another pastel gene and that's where killer comes in


MALE: Super Pastel
FEMALE: Spider

50%: Pastel
50%: Pastel, Spider





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There is also a super list of morphs to look through. I think if you search the like of pastel all animals without pastel gene are removed only leaving pastel morphs which should help you decide

Spog is a bit longer but they are beautiful.


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Originally Posted by fredanthony

SPOG huh? sounds interesting.. I may just go that route :) Also, she is Super Pastel x Lesser so I don't know if that makes any difference. Thanks for all the great suggestions.. you guys are awesome.

Fred.

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SPOG = Super Pastel Orange Ghost.. They are AMAZING with the right pastel gene!

And that girl of yours is a lesser too?? Super pastel lesser?? That changes things, there is SOOOO many fun things you can do with that combo!! Just don't pick a lesser, butter, mojave, phantom or het white dimand to be the male.. You'll end up with a white snake that won't show the other gene's.... lol would be a nice power house to bread with.. a super lesser pastel, even better a super pastel super lesser... Every snake you produce would be a lesser pastel plus what ever the other parent has.

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Originally Posted by Subdriven

SPOG = Super Pastel Orange Ghost.. They are AMAZING with the right pastel gene!

And that girl of yours is a lesser too?? Super pastel lesser?? That changes things, there is SOOOO many fun things you can do with that combo!! Just don't pick a lesser, butter, mojave, phantom or het white dimand to be the male.. You'll end up with a white snake that won't show the other gene's.... lol would be a nice power house to bread with.. a super lesser pastel, even better a super pastel super lesser... Every snake you produce would be a lesser pastel plus what ever the other parent has.

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Lesser addition does make things a lot more exciting for sure. Fire would be good. White snakes, fireflies. Oh dear I am getting excited for you lol.


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Also a sin not to save harder for a double co dom male

Pastel*Fire. Go for super flies.


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Originally Posted by Mike10205

Also a sin not to save harder for a double co dom male

Pastel*Fire. Go for super flies.


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I was thinking of getting another female as crbballs suggested in the mean time, maybe I could mix things up a bit in a few seasons. She's still very young, only 115g to date.. so I have lots of time to plan the combo (good and bad).. Although I'm not sure on the male you guys are full of such great ideas here its hard not to get excited.

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

if you had a super pastel female what would you breed it to and why?

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The same thing I would breed to a plain pastel female, but having the female be super pastel would simply increase the odds of hitting a combo.

If I had the money to have purchased and raised up a female super pastel to be breedable this year, I would likely have the money for at least a male lemon blast or other two-trait combo. As a fairly affordable combo, pairing up a lemon blast with a super pastel gives you decent odds at hitting the super blast.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

The same thing I would breed to a plain pastel female, but having the female be super pastel would simply increase the odds of hitting a combo.

If I had the money to have purchased and raised up a female super pastel to be breedable this year, I would likely have the money for at least a male lemon blast or other two-trait combo. As a fairly affordable combo, pairing up a lemon blast with a super pastel gives you decent odds at hitting the super blast.

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I likely have the money, I just don't know the combos as well as I should ;) I didn't really purchase the pastel to make money etc, but after some comments and reading up on it, it sounds like a challenging project and of course I love challenges. Being someone that is also highly interested in biology I think I would really enjoy getting into breeding as a hobby. That said, I'm looking at a few options, lemon blast does look interesting :D

What about a male ButterBee? Or maybe a female ButterBee and get a male x?? to breed to both?

Fred.

What would happen if I were to breed a lesser platinum + spider (lesser bee??) to my super pastel? Would that be a good combo?

yes, that'd be a spectacular combo, and goes by the name Queen Bee. You have a 1/4 chance at each egg being a queen bee with breeding super pastel x lesser+spider

Personally I like to shoot for homozygous (aka super) pastel combos. Like I mentioned, if you pair your super pastel female with a lemon blast male, you have a good shot at a SUPER blast, which is one awesomely yellow animal.

Additionally, if you paired the super pastel female with ANY pastel-combo male, you have a good shot at a combo that includes super pastel. Pair her with a bumblebee, and you can hit the killer bee. Pair her with a pastel lesser, and you can hit the super pastel lesser. Pair her with a firefly, and you can get the superfly (I think that's what a super pastel fire is called). Get the trend here? lol. I LOVE combos that include super pastel.

Wow. Food for thought huh! Awesome combos. Last question if you don't mind. What would happen if you crosss a butter + spider (butterbee?) and a super pastel? Thanks so much! You guys have been educational Amd inspiring!:)

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

Wow. Food for thought huh! Awesome combos. Last question if you don't mind. What would happen if you crosss a butter + spider (butterbee?) and a super pastel? Thanks so much! You guys have been educational Amd inspiring!:)

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You could get a butter bumblebee..basicly same thing as a queen bee just with a butter instead of lesser. Also you could get bumblebees, butter pastel and pastels.

http://geneticcalculator.traxxtec.de/en/rechner.aspx

Try this.