Spider Wobbles??

I've heard of Spiders get the "wobbles" and I wanted to see a video so I checked youtube....Is this the wobbles?

YouTube - ‪Female Spider Ball Python With Wobbles‬‎

Sorry I really don't know how to post a video properly, but this is the link....I just found this video rather depressing...Like the snake could control where it was going.....

That's about the most extreme wobble i have ever witnessed.

yea thats a really bad wobble, never seen one that bad in real life.

Like them I havent seen one that bad but yes it is. Technically what its doing is called a cork screw but its one form of a head wobble

its amazing that any snake with a wobble that bad can eat, and even more amazing that they breed.
steve

That's all I can ever think about when I am tempted to buy a spider-based morph... very heartbreaking.

My girl is almost that bad but she eats like a horse and can grab a mouse with her head upside down, no problem. I did'nt think she was going to wobble because it took about 2 or 3 months before it set in.

WOW, that's pretty intense. I have a spider with next to NO wobble, I have yet to see even a head tilt. The "Cork Screw" deal, he has that, but a very MINOR case. Everytime I see vids like this I am Glad I got lucky. I agree with most, if I would of seen these extreme cases before getting him, I'd probably have stayed away.

Hopefully this year he father 2-3 clutches of Wobble/Cork screw- LESS babies....


I have heard also that after breeding they can develope a more noticable or more sever then "normal" wobble. I have yet to see it in person, but heard of it a few times on here I believe.

I think this morph is a Great looking snake, but as far as a new owner wanting one and being worried about the neurological problems....You have to just Love them for what they are, and deal with it accordingly. I wouldn't get rid of my spider for anything.....

-Wildman

This is kind of why I dont want a spider and why I am such a perfectionist about them. The spider I would get would need to be perfect and have barely any wobble before I would invest in the spider project. :( So sad.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

This is kind of why I dont want a spider and why I am such a perfectionist about them. The spider I would get would need to be perfect and have barely any wobble before I would invest in the spider project. :( So sad.

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There is alot of spiders will very little wobble!

heres a thread with mine i posted before. let me know when this one is topped (hopefully its not lol) http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=112345

ALL spiders wobble.
Every single one of them.

My spider didn't get a wobble until it was around 600g. Now she has a fairly bad one. I find it is at its worst whenever she wants food or wants to be put back in her cage. She only does the corkscrew in certain positions, like when she is given oppurtunity to look down or look over an edge.

How bad can the head wobble get? Is it a progressive genetic disease?

Is the head wobble a progressive genetic disease? I know my spider didn't have it as a baby, but later developed a fairly serious wobble at around 600g.

Sorry, I have been having problems posting messages on this site lately

My male started to wobble after about 11 months old and 750 grams.
He's not bad but definitely is a spider :P

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Originally Posted by mykee

ALL spiders wobble.
Every single one of them.

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Mine doesn't. Now i cannot speak of her first year of life, since I did not own here then, but since I've owned her, never seen it. Mayb she had it earlier in life, I don't know, but she is a no wooble spider now. With that said I know each one of her spider babies has the possiblity of having a bad wooble. I'm not saying she has better genes or something, just she does not wooble, what do you want me to say? She has a wooble but you just can't see it? Lol

I have seen quite a bit worse than the one in the video. Sad to see.

Watching that makes me not want a spider. Its quite sad.

I have been breeding spiders for 3 years now and have seen some with very little wobble to extreme wobble. It doesn't bother me cause they all still eat, breed, handle, ect just like any other snake I have own. I wouldn't ever give my spiders up.

I have spiders their combos and have hatched them. I can tell you that all you have to do is hold one and the idea of the wobble being a bad thing foes right out the window.

I have a normal that occasionally does what I think is wobbles, from the videos I've seen on it. I was told it was "inbreeding". Now that she's in a tub she doesn't do it as much, but when she was in an aquarium, she would start to explore "upwards" then end up kinda going over backwards and waving her head around upside down.
Maybe she just has balance issues, but now that she's in a 4-6 inch high tub I haven't seen her do it. Of course it just might be harder to see her when she's in the tub. =)

It is sad and makes me not want a spider :( Do any other morphs have this problem? Or do they have any different specific problems like the spider?

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Mine doesn't. Now i cannot speak of her first year of life, since I did not own here then, but since I've owned her, never seen it. Mayb she had it earlier in life, I don't know, but she is a no wooble spider now. With that said I know each one of her spider babies has the possiblity of having a bad wooble. I'm not saying she has better genes or something, just she does not wooble, what do you want me to say? She has a wooble but you just can't see it? Lol

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Not at all? Are you sure? When roaming it doesn't just seem a little "slow" in righting itself when upside down?
Maybe it's not noticeable to you, but I guarantee it's probably there. Sorry. :(

I just recently picked up a bee, he has a very bad wobble/corkscrew. The last 2 days, I have looked in his tub and he is doing complete corkscrews, when he see's me, he stops, when I touch his tub, he stops. He eats, uses the bathroom and everything completely fine.. May miss on the first strike. I hope he calms down a bit, and he's also fine when holding him, moves around fine.. VERY head shy! It's not the back and forth of the head, that's when he misses the rat pup, but not as bad as the video posted in the other thread.

But the complete corkscrew is annoying. I had 2 spiders, and my female does it sometimes, but he seems to be always doing it when I look in his tub. Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong times, I don't know.

Maybe I'm just over-exagerrating but it seems like IBD sometimes, but there is nothing wrong with him otherwise.

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Originally Posted by piper

I just recently picked up a bee, he has a very bad wobble/corkscrew. The last 2 days, I have looked in his tub and he is doing complete corkscrews, when he see's me, he stops, when I touch his tub, he stops. He eats, uses the bathroom and everything completely fine.. May miss on the first strike. I hope he calms down a bit, and he's also fine when holding him, moves around fine.. VERY head shy! It's not the back and forth of the head, that's when he misses the rat pup, but not as bad as the video posted in the other thread.

But the complete corkscrew is annoying. I have 2 spiders, and my female does it sometimes, but he seems to be always doing it when I look in his tub. Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong times, I don't know.

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It could just be stress from being in a new home. I moved my spider from one tub to another, and it took a good three or four weeks for his wobble to calm back down to its level of "normalcy." He's a mild wobbler, though too much stress sets it off like crazy. I was afraid to even touch his bin for the first week or so, just because I didn't wanna make it worse. My snake owner friend also made me paranoid about IBD, but he was still eating and wasn't losing weight or anything else that comes hand in hand with it.

I just look at it as one of those minor imperfections you find in everything, but the wobble doesn't make me love spiders any less. ;)

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Originally Posted by MissLeMew

It could just be stress from being in a new home. I moved my spider from one tub to another, and it took a good three or four weeks for his wobble to calm back down to its level of "normalcy." He's a mild wobbler, though too much stress sets it off like crazy. I was afraid to even touch his bin for the first week or so, just because I didn't wanna make it worse. My snake owner friend also made me paranoid about IBD, but he was still eating and wasn't losing weight or anything else that comes hand in hand with it.

I just look at it as one of those minor imperfections you find in everything, but the wobble doesn't make me love spiders any less. ;)

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Yea exactly, I agree. I have a female spider that has a minor wobble, but the bee is extreme. I just did move him to a new tub as well so hopefully it will subside.

Spiders wobble. Each Spider does it to some extent. Some Spiders are trainwrecks that are almost heartbreaking to see. Others are so mild that most people would never notice.

I for one am not intimidated by the wobble. :) I love the patterning, I want to breed combos with it, and I accept that I might get unlucky and produce a trainwreck at some point.

Frankly as long as the animal can function and feed and poop and allsuch, I don't care how wobbley they are.

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Mine doesn't. Now i cannot speak of her first year of life, since I did not own here then, but since I've owned her, never seen it. Mayb she had it earlier in life, I don't know, but she is a no wooble spider now. With that said I know each one of her spider babies has the possiblity of having a bad wooble. I'm not saying she has better genes or something, just she does not wooble, what do you want me to say? She has a wooble but you just can't see it? Lol

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Like someone else said, flip your snake and see how fast they right themselves. Watch them when you feed them and see if they tilt their head just a nickel's worth. ALL Spiders wobble...some are just very, VERY slight and somewhat situational. :)

It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them though.

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It is sad and makes me not want a spider Do any other morphs have this problem? Or do they have any different specific problems like the spider?

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It makes me sad FOR THAT SNAKE, but it doesn't deter me from wanting/keeping Spiders and Spider combos. :P And yes some other morphs have issues present...to my knowledge Caramel Albinos have spinal deformities, someone correct me if I'm wrong? But again so long as they can live and thrive, no reason not to keep them. After all, as someone else said a while back, other morphs may have issues we don't even know about, such as limited vision or other invisible defects. So long as they eat and poop and breed, they can have a decent quality of life. :)

I have seen, held and bred many, many spiders and the trainwreck ones are very few and far inbetween. You dont see videos of the healthy spiders just like the nightly news doesnt play many happy stories. People want to see trainwrecks, LOL

I was speaking to Dan Sutherland this weekend at the Super Show and he told me they were able to cure spider wobbles and caramel kinking with incubation adjustments. I found that very interesting considering they produce a huge amount of BP's every year.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

I have seen, held and bred many, many spiders and the trainwreck ones are very few and far inbetween. You dont see videos of the healthy spiders just like the nightly news doesnt play many happy stories. People want to see trainwrecks, LOL

I was speaking to Dan Sutherland this weekend at the Super Show and he told me they were able to cure spider wobbles and caramel kinking with incubation adjustments. I found that very interesting considering they produce a huge amount of BP's every year.

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Raul I heard about that said they incubated them lower and slower..even got rid of the duck bill thing..I'm really interested to try it for sure..It has promise..

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Originally Posted by A.VinczeBPs

Not at all? Are you sure? When roaming it doesn't just seem a little "slow" in righting itself when upside down?
Maybe it's not noticeable to you, but I guarantee it's probably there. Sorry. :(

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Originally Posted by Kyle@theHeathertoft

Like someone else said, flip your snake and see how fast they right themselves. Watch them when you feed them and see if they tilt their head just a nickel's worth. ALL Spiders wobble...some are just very, VERY slight and somewhat situational. :)

It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them though.

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well I've never flipped the snake over so I just tired and and she just flips back over with no hesitation what so ever, I took my albino and lesser out and flipped them over just to see if it looked any different. they all right themselves right away and make a "wtf are you doing jacka$$" noise. I looked for it when she eats, nothing different than any of my other ball pythons, never seen her tilt her head.

seriously I need to find a video camera, give me of list of stuff to record (flipping her over, feeding, ect.) for you guys, im not trying to say shes better or anything wrong with her. I'm not expecting her babies to be no wobble spider by any means. I'm just telling you what I see, or more I dont see, she doesn't act any different than any other ball python I own.

I've seen plenty of wobble spiders, I know what you guys are talking about, I own a jag carpet, which their nero issue seems to mimic spider ball pythons, and the jag shows it.

Want me to say she has a wobble, just you can't see it... lol

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Raul I heard about that said they incubated them lower and slower..even got rid of the duck bill thing..I'm really interested to try it for sure..It has promise..

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whats the secret method?

YouTube - ‪Understanding the Spider Wobble‬‎

YouTube - ‪Spider Wobble part II‬‎