Ari Flagle caught on video abusing animals (graphic)

Before Flagle started at FWZ, he was a supervisor at USGE, where our undercover investigator documented his abusive behavior toward animals and his blatant disregard for their suffering. Flagle intentionally left groups of animals to "die off" and mocked their agonizing deaths. These animals included an emerald tree boa who died after Flagle left the snake outside in the blazing sun and a group of ailing snakes he called "garbage." Here's a sample of Flagle's "Worst Of" moments:

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This guy is a member here and he even wrote a book on how to care for morelia. He is a fraud and needs to be exposed. Unfortunately, this guy still works at the Fort Worth Zoo. What a disgrace!
Ari on this forum

Yet that is a PETA website

This doesnt look good for your first post

I am not a PETA member but I care for all animals not just the cute and furry ones. He is supposed to be a professional in this field and his actions should not be tolerated. He left the boa in the sun so it could die. He is a monster, PERIOD.

Yeah, Peta is going to point fingers at people who kill animals? Really? 98% death rate at YOUR "shelter" or "death camp for pets".

Your "investigator" that was supposed to be taking care of animals and instead of that was too busy making animal videos of suffering animals instead of feeding and watering them like he was being PAID to do by the company.

While the import company had poor practices, Peta kills all the pets they take in, WHILE collecting money to care for them. I'll never take the word of a liar.

I agree.

I am not on either side of P.E.T.A, but I think whether they abuse animals or not (I am not going to state my opinion on this) they still had a video or Ari Flagle ABUSING animals. Just because it's from P.E.T.A, does that make it alright? I hope not. Either way, I think Ari Flagle should be arrested. What he did to those reptiles isn't right under ANY circumstances, whether the source is from P.E.T.A or not.

Great post! I'll watch out for him, thanks for this information, I would NEVER have guessed.

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Originally Posted by sin

I am not a PETA member but I care for all animals not just the cute and furry ones. He is supposed to be a professional in this field and his actions should not be tolerated. He left the boa in the sun so it could die. He is a monster, PERIOD.

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You aren't a member of Peta, but your FIRST post says "our investigator". Sorry. You've already painted yourself with that brush.

Hi,

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Originally Posted by sin

I am not a PETA member but I care for all animals not just the cute and furry ones. He is supposed to be a professional in this field and his actions should not be tolerated. He left the boa in the sun so it could die. He is a monster, PERIOD.

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Please be carefull to avoid name calling on the boards as this is against the sites T.O.S. and could lead to further infractions.


dr del

I don't care for PETA but the video speaks for itself. I saw this on the news and I want everyone to know who he is since he gives himself much validation and expertise on this field. He is what he is regardless of who expose him and he is a guy that has zero consideration for reptiles and animal. I'm mad that he still work with animals.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

You aren't a member of Peta, but your FIRST post says "our investigator". Sorry. You've already painted yourself with that brush.

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i cut and pasted the article. It's word for word on the site. He was on yesterday's news.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

You aren't a member of Peta, but your FIRST post says "our investigator". Sorry. You've already painted yourself with that brush.

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Not saying he is or isn't either way, but that whole first paragraph was copied from the site.

PETA might be disgusting, but at the least they're able to bring to light cruelty like this. I don't agree with them on any account, but they are good at being sneaky little undercover rats, and even they serve a purpose.

Well, it'd be easier to praise Peta if they haven't routinely fabricated situations for their videos.

As far as whether the OP is a Peta member or not, it's the old "you lay down with pigs" story to me. You quote Peta, post Peta videos and links... sorry.. peta.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Well, it'd be easier to praise Peta if they haven't routinely fabricated situations for their videos.

As far as whether the OP is a Peta member or not, it's the old "you lay down with pigs" story to me. You quote Peta, post Peta videos and links... sorry.. peta.

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Here is the story from the local news. It states the same info though. The problem doesn't change, he abused the animals, PERIOD. I know that it's hard to accept that he did but he did.
Forth Worth Star-Telegram

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Originally Posted by sin

Here is the story from the local news. It states the same info though. The problem doesn't change, he abused the animals, PERIOD. I know that it's hard to accept that he did but he did.
Forth Worth Star-Telegram

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Other than fanning flames, are YOU doing anything to stop what you perceive as abuse?

Sin....

The thing is, is that we care for all animals, including reptiles.

If thats him on the video shaking those frogs, I agree with you, hes not a good person.

Fact of the matter is, is that we HATE PETA, they are trying to bring this community of people down. They KILL animals, KILL. Fabricate scenarios, plant animals, and so on.....So the mere fact that they have their radar on him makes me believe he could be a victim of PETA/HSUS in some way.

Your seemingly strong ties to PETA are already present, and if thats the case, its time to BOUNCE.

Looks like he's viewing the thread, we'll get his side of it.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Looks like he's viewing the thread, we'll get his side of it.

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Yeah, I sent him a Private Message asking his side of the story, and he said he was make a post.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Other than fanning flames, are YOU doing anything to stop what you perceive as abuse?

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Well, I am by letting the guys in here that follow his advice, know he is not what he seem. I owe the future animals in his care THAT much. The fact that you know about him now makes me feel a little better. What is your advice since i'm sure you love animals as much as I do? ALso to the other guy that keeps claiming I am part of PETA, I have a 13 foot red ear slider that I love. I don't think that they would be so pleased with that but if they saw me shaking the crap out of him, I would understand if they dragged me through the mud.

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Originally Posted by sin

Well, I am by letting the guys in here that follow his advice, know he is not what he seem. I owe the future animals in his care THAT much. The fact that you know about him now makes me feel a little better. What is your advice since i'm sure you love animals as much as I do? ALso to the other guy that keeps claiming I am part of PETA, I have a 13 foot red ear slider that I love. I don't think that they would be so pleased with that but if they saw me shaking the crap out of him, I would understand if they dragged me through the mud.

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You have a 13 FOOT long RES? You know that they only get around twelve inches, right?

Whats a 13 foot Red Eared Slider?

Like I said above, hes posting a reply now, we'll see what he has to say.

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Originally Posted by sin

Well, I am by letting the guys in here that follow his advice, know he is not what he seem. I owe the future animals in his care THAT much. The fact that you know about him now makes me feel a little better. What is your advice since i'm sure you love animals as much as I do? ALso to the other guy that keeps claiming I am part of PETA, I have a 13 foot red ear slider that I love. I don't think that they would be so pleased with that but if they saw me shaking the crap out of him, I would understand if they dragged me through the mud.

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I have a 13 foot red ear slider

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WAT? Do you ride it?

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Originally Posted by Sadistic Serpent

You have a 13 FOOT long RES? You know that they only get around twelve inches, right?

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My fat boy is huge. Lol, 13 inch i just noticed it.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5681/photoux.jpg

I am not picking side, I hate both animal abusers and PETA members but one thing I wonder about is how does a red ear slider get to that size :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by sin

I have a 13 foot red ear slider that I love.

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http://www.petsamany.com/files/37715...aredSlider.jpg imagine that at 13 foot :rofl:

Not sure but this could slightly affect your credibility :rolleyes:

Anyway back on topic.

I think you're confusing foot with inch.....

I was wondering why everyone was having a hard time believing the size of my turtle.
YEs, I meant inch. :rofl:

Sin,

I am going to feel you in on the world as we know it.

Ari Flagle:

Great guy! Do you think that the 5th best zoo in the U.S. would hire a guy that was that bad as the press and Peta(I still can't believe you believe Peta) says. You should read his book http://ularhitam.com/ it is GREAT!!! Get Web Site Too(I Made It)! How many know Bob Clark? I am 1000% sure Bob would vouch for Ari!

Peta:

Can not believe you believe Peta. There is nothing more to say!

USGE:

Just in case you have never worked for a Importer/Exporter before, I am going to tell you some things! First, The snakes that were put down in humanly. When you are an importer you by ball pythons in bulk 20,000 at a time. This gets them to you for about $1.50 each. Holy Crap is right! But out of those 20,0000 around 3000-5000 are beyond savable. You try to feed them, soak them in water do everything you can but when their sickness starts to spread to the other snake and animals you do what most would do with a snake that they love and care for once they have went through all of there options, they put they in the freeze to go to sleep or take them to be euthanize. Now you may not know this but doing that cost $30 each snake so 30 X 5000 = 150,000. There is no way anyone could ever afford that. If you can we need to be better friends! Now the PETA investigator was the one in charge of the ETB's that you refers too. Ari pulled them back inside and misted they to try and save them. As far as the frogs, that is the only way to get them out of the bottle. When you only need a couple and there are 50 in each one it. Does it make any sense to you to cut open the top and pull them out and them put them in another enclosure? Oh yea most importers get about 30,000 of those when they order them. How are you going to move the GTF so you can cut the bottle? They are every where in the bottle!

Things got really BAD at USGE when Jasen Shaw went from 20 employees to 7 employees. He is the one that fired them all! The Peta investigator only got 1!!! video the entire 4 months that he and Ari work together!! Wow what a shock!!! Everything else was done after Jasen fired everyone! If you talked to anyone down here in the Texas area, they would tell you about Ari and what a guy he is. And they would tell you about Jasen and what an ass he is.

Think of it this way, if Jasen was not in the wrong for anything then why would he and his wife flee to New Zea land. You can check their Facebook that's where they are. Vanessa Shaw(Jasen's Wife) was told every week what we needed to get for the animals in the way of food, medicine, and all other needs. They would only get about half the food we would need! There is not much you or I or Ari can do about that. A little Brown bottle of Alcohol is what "medicine" we would get. You can only do so much. Oh yea the top paid guy there was not even Ari and he was the "manager"(term used very loosely(he had a key that made him a manager)).

Besides this all happened over a year a go and the press just keeps bringing it up here in DFW cause about 20,000 of the animals do not have homes. And I am sure that I could find something bad about you and maybe everyone on this forum has done something in the past. Me personally. I am not proud to say that I even worked there, but I did, and I learned a lot! Mainly what not to do, but they did alot right in terms of being an importer.

From a Peta on the web prospective:

You are insane! You gave them a link from BP.net that will give them better rankings in Google, Yahoo, Bing and many others. Why would you do that??? What better way to build up Peta then by giving them links freely from the reptile forums. You personally really need to think about what you say and do before you blow up on the internet everything that you do affects everyone around you. Every link make them more popular! Search Engines like Google, Bing, and Yahoo are a popularity contest! I do not want Peta to be popular! SnakeBytesTv, Ralph Davis, 8Ball should be popular.

Final Notes:

I hope every enjoyed this post. I Hope it does not get me banned from BP.net as this is a great community.

Casey Watkins

I thought Ari (himself) was going to respond on here just now? So PETA was just as much to blame as Ari. Well I'll be darn! Two wrongs don't make it right but the world is a crazy place, eh. Ari had no comment for the Fort Worth Star so why would I think he would even respond to the forum. :rolleyes:

Life is cruel but so are folks like PETA, Ari, USGE and Casey. Poor animals/reptiles.. The end.

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Originally Posted by sin

I don't care for PETA but the video speaks for itself.

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If it showed clips that were longer than just a few moments that could very easily be taken out of context, I might agree with you.

As it is, the shortness of the clips makes the video REALLY look like all situations shown were in fact out of context.

& here i was...misguided again...i thought PETA was all FOR animals. i thought they were all about animals rights and all that stuff. [shakes head]

im confused when is this guy making an annoucement, and if this Sin guy is messing with us, man, i wish i had the time to go on websites and mess crap up, um i guess i do since im on it now, but i dont', this is all stupid why do people do what they do

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Originally Posted by BOWSER11788

im confused when is this guy making an annoucement, and if this Sin guy is messing with us, man, i wish i had the time to go on websites and mess crap up, um i guess i do since im on it now, but i dont', this is all stupid why do people do what they do

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I am not understanding how I am messing with you. The last I heard Ari was going to make a statement. If he is not guilty of the actions then what is he waiting for? Instead he has someone try to speak on his behalf about how great he is. SHe didn't deny what he did, she tried to justify it with "how the world is", B.S. So basically he was just doing what he was told. Basically, he was just doing what he was told to do?? Any ignorant Joe Blow would get a pass but this is Ari Flagel, Mr. Expert_who wrote the book on the care of Morelia. Nice try Casey, now where is Ari?

Why do you think Ari has to come defend himself against your accusations? Are you some authority? I thought you were just posting something you found, since you have nothing to do with Peta?

The video only shows him shaking frogs in a container removing them. Very rough looking handling, I agree, but for the rest? He's not DOING a dang thing wrong. He's talking, but you have no contex. So he could just be fed up with that "investigator" talking ot him about fifty different things which we don't get to hear... and just talking about stuff like a typical guy.

For instance... he says he'd put the ball pythons out and run over them with his jeep.. we don't see him killing a ball python.. we hear some guy making a possibly sarcastic comment about some snakes that might need to be euthanized. Is it callous sounding? Sure it is. Have I heard WAY worse said from guys? All the time. I've heard guys joking about "doing" underage girls, remarking about some of the way girls dress in way too young of a age.. but I didn't for a moment think those guys were actually considering molesting children.

I tell my dogs "Come here so I can step on your head!" and you know what? None of my dogs were ever harmed by me saying that.

All the dead animals shown? Not necasarily Ari's fault, why not accuse that "investigator" of killing all of them? From the one poster's claim(and rem she was THERE!) the "investigator" PUT those snakes out to "fry" in the sun while Ari brought them in and misted them to try to help them. When you listen, you hear the "investigator" say "They're fried". Obviously to me, that guy is saying he likes to fry live snakes for fun all the time. What? That's what you're trying to imply with Ari too.

Frankly, that video shows diddly squat that anyone should have to "answer for". Other than shaking the frogs, what exactly is in that video that you are demanding him answer for?

People get fed up with situations and say a ton of stuff, and if that "investigator" only caught a bottle of frogs getting shaken in a rough manner, I'd say that was beyond "reaching" for something wrong. We can't even tell if the callous talk was instigated by that "investigator" or not, and we already have one witness that says the "investigator" was the one putting certain animals in peril.

So please... tell me exactly what you want answered. And while you're at it, please elaborate on what authority you are using to demand someone post to defend themselves as well.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Why do you think Ari has to come defend himself against your accusations? Are you some authority? I thought you were just posting something you found, since you have nothing to do with Peta?

The video only shows him shaking frogs in a container removing them. Very rough looking handling, I agree, but for the rest? He's not DOING a dang thing wrong. He's talking, but you have no contex. So he could just be fed up with that "investigator" talking ot him about fifty different things which we don't get to hear... and just talking about stuff like a typical guy.

For instance... he says he'd put the ball pythons out and run over them with his jeep.. we don't see him killing a ball python.. we hear some guy making a possibly sarcastic comment about some snakes that might need to be euthanized. Is it callous sounding? Sure it is. Have I heard WAY worse said from guys? All the time. I've heard guys joking about "doing" underage girls, remarking about some of the way girls dress in way too young of a age.. but I didn't for a moment think those guys were actually considering molesting children.

I tell my dogs "Come here so I can step on your head!" and you know what? None of my dogs were ever harmed by me saying that.

All the dead animals shown? Not necasarily Ari's fault, why not accuse that "investigator" of killing all of them? From the one poster's claim(and rem she was THERE!) the "investigator" PUT those snakes out to "fry" in the sun while Ari brought them in and misted them to try to help them. When you listen, you hear the "investigator" say "They're fried". Obviously to me, that guy is saying he likes to fry live snakes for fun all the time. What? That's what you're trying to imply with Ari too.

Frankly, that video shows diddly squat that anyone should have to "answer for". Other than shaking the frogs, what exactly is in that video that you are demanding him answer for?

People get fed up with situations and say a ton of stuff, and if that "investigator" only caught a bottle of frogs getting shaken in a rough manner, I'd say that was beyond "reaching" for something wrong. We can't even tell if the callous talk was instigated by that "investigator" or not, and we already have one witness that says the "investigator" was the one putting certain animals in peril.

So please... tell me exactly what you want answered. And while you're at it, please elaborate on what authority you are using to demand someone post to defend themselves as well.

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It's not authority. Someone said he was reading the thread and that he was going to make a statement. Why is it hard to understand why I said I was waiting to hear what he had to say? Why are we bringing up PETA again? We already established that PETA, USGE, and everyone that treats reptiles like that, is garbage. I guess you may be right. I might be giving him to much importance. Ari can do whatever he wants.:rolleyes:

You can also pick up his book.
http://www.morelia-spilota.com/pdfup...lackpython.jpg
I'm sure he could teach us all a thing or two.

Someone ELSE said he was going to make a statement, yet you are accusing HIM of avoiding answering your questions. You are pointing at the Peta video as your evidance, and I notice you didn't answer the question of what it is you want answered in the first place.

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Originally Posted by sin

It's not authority. Someone said he was reading the thread and that he was going to make a statement. Why is it hard to understand why I said I was waiting to hear what he had to say? Why are we bringing up PETA again? We already established that PETA, USGE, and everyone that treats reptiles like that, is garbage. I guess you may be right. I might be giving him to much importance. Ari can do whatever he wants.:rolleyes:

You can also pick up his book.
http://www.morelia-spilota.com/pdfup...lackpython.jpg
I'm sure he could teach us all a thing or two.

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WHO told you he was going to respond.

And if for some reason you won't answer, don't expect any respect from anyone from now on.

I smell fish. Not the good kind.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

WHO told you he was going to respond.

And if for some reason you won't answer, don't expect any respect from anyone from now on.

I smell fish. Not the good kind.

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Originally Posted by Sadistic Serpent

Yeah, I sent him a Private Message asking his side of the story, and he said he was make a post.

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This.

So, just to be clear, you sent Ari a pm, from here, and he pm'd you back that he would be posting here, on bp.net, about this.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

So, just to be clear, you sent Ari a pm, from here, and he pm'd you back that he would be posting here, on bp.net, about this.

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No, if you go to page 2 of this thread you will see this.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Looks like he's viewing the thread, we'll get his side of it.

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Originally Posted by Sadistic Serpent

Yeah, I sent him a Private Message asking his side of the story, and he said he was make a post.

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My mistake, too many S's.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

My mistake, too many S's.

Thanks.

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It's ok, I'm done with this whole Ari deal. You'll find me in the cat section and occasionally with the turtles.

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Originally Posted by sin

I am not understanding how I am messing with you. The last I heard Ari was going to make a statement. If he is not guilty of the actions then what is he waiting for? Instead he has someone try to speak on his behalf about how great he is. SHe didn't deny what he did, she tried to justify it with "how the world is", B.S. So basically he was just doing what he was told. Basically, he was just doing what he was told to do?? Any ignorant Joe Blow would get a pass but this is Ari Flagel, Mr. Expert_who wrote the book on the care of Morelia. Nice try Casey, now where is Ari?

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There's a right way and a wrong way to present rebuttals of accusations. Going off half cocked and screaming at the top of your lungs "It wasn't me! I didn't do it! I'm innocent! It's lies and slander!" on a public message board is not the proper way to do it.

Trust me, PETA spent months and probably millions of dollars setting everything up to make a video. Give Ari time to present his side of things when he's ready to do so.

If it was me they were slandering I'd not respond to anything for a few months at least. I'd wait until the emotional outbursts and anger had run their course and then I'd take apart the lies and slander. At my own pace, in my own time. But that's just me. Maybe you'd rush to the nearest mountain top to declare your innocence?

I don't understand why the easy question of what exactly sin expects Ari to defend is so hard?
Now it sounds more like a typical AR thing. Throw accusations, get attention, then when legitimate questions are asked.. disappear.
"Graphic" abusing animals... apparently equals roughly shaking a container with frogs in it to remove the frogs.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

I don't understand why the easy question of what exactly sin expects Ari to defend is so hard?
Now it sounds more like a typical AR thing. Throw accusations, get attention, then when legitimate questions are asked.. disappear.
"Graphic" abusing animals... apparently equals roughly shaking a container with frogs in it to remove the frogs.

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I wanted to hear what he had to say. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about that. Like stated earlier, someone said he was going to make a post and I waited. Maybe if he would have said something I would have questions, till then there is just a video. It was in the news and I am living in Texas so I can be concerned. But like i say, why give Ari free publicity.If you'd like to support Ari, please feel free to get his book.I am done with it.

Well, I still don't understand why you feel he has to come answer to your accusations. You've called him names, and said he abused all thes animals and it's right on the video.. but when I asked specifically what he did on the video that you are insisting that he should answer for, you won't give anything.

You watched a highly edited Peta film made by a person that a eyewitness said put the boas outside himself, who got hired under false pretenses, who's first duty should have been caring for animals under his care, that instead spent time filming supposed issues, none of which seem to have made it onto the actual film.. except for roughly shaking a container of frogs.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

There's a right way and a wrong way to present rebuttals of accusations. Going off half cocked and screaming at the top of your lungs "It wasn't me! I didn't do it! I'm innocent! It's lies and slander!" on a public message board is not the proper way to do it.

Trust me, PETA spent months and probably millions of dollars setting everything up to make a video. Give Ari time to present his side of things when he's ready to do so.

If it was me they were slandering I'd not respond to anything for a few months at least. I'd wait until the emotional outbursts and anger had run their course and then I'd take apart the lies and slander. At my own pace, in my own time. But that's just me. Maybe you'd rush to the nearest mountain top to declare your innocence?

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I would run to the nearest mountain. :rage: I love cats and if shady organization accused me of torturing, killing and abusing the animals that I invest time in, love and that I care for, they would hear from me and my lawyers. My reputations is at stake and I would do everything in my power to prove and discredit PETA for dragging my name and profession through the mud. That's just me.

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Originally Posted by sin

I would run to the nearest mountain. :rage: I love cats and if shady organization accused me of torturing, killing and abusing the animals that I invest time in, love and that I care for, they would hear from me and my lawyers. My reputations is at stake and I would do everything in my power to prove and discredit PETA for dragging my name and profession through the mud. That's just me.

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If an organization that has built it's brand around animal advocacy was to accuse you of mistreating cats you'd be crazy to run up the mountain declaring your innocence without preparing. Perception is reality and the reality is what is seen in the videos to many people. You'd have to be able to counter each situation and put it into context in order to educate viewers. That takes time.

According to Peta you are abusing your cats by merely owning them. Better find that mountaintop. Or do you mean only if you are named personally? Because the laws that they push to get rid of your pets won't have to name you individually.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

According to Peta you are abusing your cats by merely owning them. Better find that mountaintop. Or do you mean only if you are named personally? Because the laws that they push to get rid of your pets won't have to name you individually.

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Well, that is stupid considering most of their celebrity members have pets of their own. What hypocrites! A law like that would start a war. I love my cats, turtle and fish.

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:colbert:
Well, that is stupid considering most of their celebrity members have pets of their own. What hypocrites! A law like that would start a war. I love my cats, turtle and fish.

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If you feel that way, why would you cite PETA as a source for anything?

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What hypocrites!

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You're just figuring this out?

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Originally Posted by bsd13

If you feel that way, why would you cite PETA as a source for anything?

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I am not that familiar with the organization. I got my pets from a pet rescue and this is the first time I hear about anyone wanting to ban any pets. Here in Texas, the news posted the issue. PETA was the source but I never thought twice into looking at PETA. I was wondering why everyone was firing like crazy when I posted the PETA link (that's where the video was). Well, if loving my pets is wrong, I don't want to be right.