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How Often Do You Handle Your Snakes?
This will be a sub poll to go with the Habitat vs Tupperwear Poll.
I treat Alexander as a pet. I get him out twice a day usually. But seldom less than once and if I just don't have the time to set with him. which is usually about an hour or so, I at least reach in and pat him on the head and say hello.
This will be multi choice for those who have both.
If you have both please share if you pay more attention to your habitat snake as oposed to your Tupperwaer baby.
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They don't really want very much attention. I usually just water and clean up after them. The only time we really interact is when I get them out for cleaning. If I feel the need to pet something I call for one of the dogs.;)
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i have about 12 reptiles, 14 animals total. I pick up animals i know tolerate handling well (not all of my snakes like to be handled). I also live with someone who is phobic so i can't just pick someone up when i want to. I have to be conscious of the others around me..also, the cats.
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i voted
"Tupperwear- I get him out once or twice A Week"
Because they may not mind being held but i highly doubt they would rather be held in ur hands, my hands, or anyone hands over in their hide
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"tupperware" you're on some kind of campaign, huh?
anyway, I've got mine in tubs and they come out on an alternating schedule, usually one or two a day. They get about as much attention as they can stand. I took them out much, MUCH less when they were in tanks.
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Couple times a week. Most of my adults are breeding right now, so I don't handle them much at all.
The babies get handled depending on how old they are, how often they eat and if they can handle the stress of being handled once every two days.
Also, tubs/racks, not Tupperware. :rolleyes:
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Why are you making posts singling out people using tubs or tanks. It does not matter what the hell you use. If it benefits both and keeps the snake healthy then use what works.
For one im sure many hear think the same, are tired of seeing posts saying were begin cruel keeping our snakes in tubs cause we dont care for our animals like someone that keeps them in tank.
On a side note handling should be dont conservatively, its a privilege to be able to hold them not a requirement.
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Re: How Often Do You Handle Your Snakes?
Thank you Rich.
These are NOT social animals. The do NOT "like" being held. They tolerate it.
It seems like all of these threads you are making are trying to make people who use tubs look bad. Instead, you are just making yourself look bad. Just because I keep my snakes in tubs doesn't mean I don't care about them or don't treat them like "pets". I love all of my snakes. They all have names and they all have distinct personalities. Some are very good with moderate handling. Some don't like to be handled at all.
Trying to make a correlation between what kind of enclosure you use and how often you handle your animals is silly. I handle each of my snakes about once a week each and I keep them all in tubs. They are all happy and healthy and THAT is what matters.
The type of enclosure you use does not. It does not dictate whether or not you are a good owner. I personally think that tubs are far superior to any "habitat" for ball pythons. I would not say this for other species though. For ball pythons specifically, tubs are fantastic.
One day you will see the light. Or maybe you won't. :/
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I take them out once or twice a week. Most of the time they just keep moving until they find a hiding place which tells, me they would rather hide anyway. And tubs a great unless you cram your sankes in there. If they have enough room it is fine.
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i usually hold mine every day not for too long tho he seems like he enjoys it!
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Originally Posted by dembonez
i usually hold mine every day not for too long tho he seems like he enjoys it!
Sorry to say but no snake enjoys it. they TOLERATE it to an extent
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It's....NOT.....Tupperware!!!!! (the correct spelling too, btw).
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On your high horse again ic.....
@ Arsinoe = Because snakes lack a limbic system they are physically unable to recognize feelings like love. Your snake does not love you, nor does it like to be handled by you twice a day for an hour at a time, it is not disappointed if you don't have time for it. In all actuality it is less stressed and happier when you leave it alone, handling a snake for an hour or two a day is only going to stress it out..... In case I didn't make my underlying implication clear..... YOU ARE A BAD PET OWNER BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF YOUR ANIMAL AND ALL OF YOUR ANIMALS SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY UNTIL YOU CAN LEARN TO PROPERLY CARE FOR THEM!!!!!
... P.S. How's it feel to be treated like an inferior because of how you treat your animals?
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Originally Posted by David802
On your high horse again ic.....
@ Arsinoe = Because snakes lack a limbic system they are physically unable to recognize feelings like love. Your snake does not love you, nor does it like to be handled by you twice a day for an hour at a time, it is not disappointed if you don't have time for it. In all actuality it is less stressed and happier when you leave it alone, handling a snake for an hour or two a day is only going to stress it out..... In case I didn't make my underlying implication clear..... YOU ARE A BAD PET OWNER BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF YOUR ANIMAL AND ALL OF YOUR ANIMALS SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY UNTIL YOU CAN LEARN TO PROPERLY CARE FOR THEM!!!!!
... P.S. How's it feel to be treated like an inferior because of how you treat your animals?
David,
While I completely understand your frustrations reading her posts, and the fact that you were trying to make a point, the last bit in all caps really was un-necessarily harsh. :(
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You said you handle them twice a day, or try to. Maybe I missed it cuz I was reading fast (I tend to do that when I'm irritated) but do you do this during shedding? Do you handle your snake right after it eats or do you give it the 48 hours to digest?
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Originally Posted by Charlie And Lucy
You said you handle them twice a day, or try to. Maybe I missed it cuz I was reading fast (I tend to do that when I'm irritated) but do you do this during shedding? Do you handle your snake right after it eats or do you give it the 48 hours to digest?
Of course, she doesn't need to worry about that with her special Limbic ball python....
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Originally Posted by David802
Of course, she doesn't need to worry about that with her special Limbic ball python....
I get such a kick out of you :D :D
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Snakes don't like being bothered and it really does stress them out when you handle them too much or for too long.
I handle my snakes when I need to or to show people my snakes when they wanna see them. When I spot clean or change the water I'll normally handle them for a minute.
You never can really tell when a snake is stressed when it seems to be acting normally.
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Originally Posted by David802
On your high horse again ic.....
@ Arsinoe = Because snakes lack a limbic system they are physically unable to recognize feelings like love. Your snake does not love you, nor does it like to be handled by you twice a day for an hour at a time, it is not disappointed if you don't have time for it. In all actuality it is less stressed and happier when you leave it alone, handling a snake for an hour or two a day is only going to stress it out..... In case I didn't make my underlying implication clear..... YOU ARE A BAD PET OWNER BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF YOUR ANIMAL AND ALL OF YOUR ANIMALS SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY UNTIL YOU CAN LEARN TO PROPERLY CARE FOR THEM!!!!!
... P.S. How's it feel to be treated like an inferior because of how you treat your animals?
wow dude...
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Originally Posted by David802
On your high horse again ic.....
@ Arsinoe = Because snakes lack a limbic system they are physically unable to recognize feelings like love. Your snake does not love you, nor does it like to be handled by you twice a day for an hour at a time, it is not disappointed if you don't have time for it. In all actuality it is less stressed and happier when you leave it alone, handling a snake for an hour or two a day is only going to stress it out..... In case I didn't make my underlying implication clear..... YOU ARE A BAD PET OWNER BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF YOUR ANIMAL AND ALL OF YOUR ANIMALS SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY UNTIL YOU CAN LEARN TO PROPERLY CARE FOR THEM!!!!!
... P.S. How's it feel to be treated like an inferior because of how you treat your animals?
Guys, I think David was trying to show Arsinoe how she's making us feel about how we treat our snakes. Yes, it was harsh and bold of him to say that. But, it's harsh and down right rude the way she is talking to all of us. Some of you may say that David's reaction was rude, but I think it's to be expected from someone who is insulted, or feeling insulted, by someone else who doesn't know him and is judging him, and all of us, for the way we treat our animals.
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I handle mine just enough to keep them tame. As much as being tagged doesn't bother me, it's not a habit I'd like my snakes to learn. :3
i.e., I take them out for about 10 minutes once or twice a week. In the summer, I might take one or two out and let the kids in my neighborhood have a look - it's always good (and fun) to educate them about snakes - but I never keep them out for long, and I make the kids keep their distance and the noise down.
Snakes are not cats, they do not like to be pet or cuddled. Nor are they dogs, they aren't loyal, and they do not like to go for walks. They do not love, and as far as emotions go they have only a few modes... those being eat, drink, poop, sleep, breed, shed, eat. Taking your snake out that often can have adverse effects, and may very well be stressing your little guy out more than if you let him be for most of the week. I understand that you love your snake, as I love all of mine, but you need to take into consideration that your little guy has specific needs and is not a domesticated pet, and giving him a little bit more space might be best for the little guy. :oops:
I'm sorry if in ealier posts I was harsh, but you should realize that the things you may imply can anger a lot of people, as I'm sure you have noticed.
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Originally Posted by Charlie And Lucy
Guys, I think David was trying to show Arsinoe how she's making us feel about how we treat our snakes. Yes, it was harsh and bold of him to say that. But, it's harsh and down right rude the way she is talking to all of us. Some of you may say that David's reaction was rude, but I think it's to be expected from someone who is insulted, or feeling insulted, by someone else who doesn't know him and is judging him, and all of us, for the way we treat our animals.
Bravo! I'm glad someone got my point. I do feel that if she can't take proper care of her snakes they should be taken away, but the point in being so harsh/rude about it was exactly that! :bow::bow::bow::bow::bow: I bow to your greatness in seeing my meaning. :D
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MissLeMew - we are going to do the same thing with ours in the summer: take them out so the neighborhood kids can see them. Then we can educate them, and I firmly believe proper reptile education is so important!
David - you express your passions the same way I do. :P
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MissLeMew - we are going to do the same thing with ours in the summer: take them out so the neighborhood kids can see them. Then we can educate them, and I firmly believe proper reptile education is so important!
David - you express your passions the same way I do. :P
I'm just glad that someone got it. I don't like being a jerk for no reason, but at the same time I Stand by what I Say and how I Feel even if its unpopular!
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Originally Posted by David802
I'm just glad that someone got it. I don't like being a jerk for no reason, but at the same time I Stand by what I Say and how I Feel even if its unpopular!
I totally believe everyone should stand up for what they believe in, but in the right way. I understand Arsinoe is standing up for her beliefs, and for that, I respect her. However, I believe she's going about it the wrong way.
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Originally Posted by Charlie And Lucy
I totally believe everyone should stand up for what they believe in, but in the right way. I understand Arsinoe is standing up for her beliefs, and for that, I respect her. However, I believe she's going about it the wrong way.
Agreed! I hope what I Said is taken in the light it was ment.
I gotta go to bed all xD It's been fun. Although I think I've irritated the Admin :(
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Originally Posted by David802
Bravo! I'm glad someone got my point. I do feel that if she can't take proper care of her snakes they should be taken away, but the point in being so harsh/rude about it was exactly that! :bow::bow::bow::bow::bow: I bow to your greatness in seeing my meaning. :D
I got your point and acknowledged that I got your point. I still think it was un-necessarily harsh.
Remember the saying - don't lower yourself to their level?
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Agreed! I hope what I Said is taken in the light it was ment.
I gotta go to bed all xD It's been fun. Although I think I've irritated the Admin :(
You have not irritated me. :)
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Originally Posted by rabernet
I got your point and acknowledged that I got your point. I still think it was un-necessarily harsh.
Remember the saying - don't lower yourself to their level?
:( Unfortunatly I have a hard time actually implementing that idea. Yes it was very harsh, but I still stand by what I said. :P
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You have not irritated me. :)
Sweet! Never pee in someone else's sand box. :P
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Re: How Often Do You Handle Your Snakes?
Originally Posted by David802
On your high horse again ic.....
@ Arsinoe = Because snakes lack a limbic system they are physically unable to recognize feelings like love. Your snake does not love you, nor does it like to be handled by you twice a day for an hour at a time, it is not disappointed if you don't have time for it. In all actuality it is less stressed and happier when you leave it alone, handling a snake for an hour or two a day is only going to stress it out..... In case I didn't make my underlying implication clear..... YOU ARE A BAD PET OWNER BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF YOUR ANIMAL AND ALL OF YOUR ANIMALS SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY UNTIL YOU CAN LEARN TO PROPERLY CARE FOR THEM!!!!!
... P.S. How's it feel to be treated like an inferior because of how you treat your animals?
Re:Charlie & Lucy
Guys, I think David was trying to show Arsinoe how she's making us feel about how we treat our snakes. Yes, it was harsh and bold of him to say that. But, it's harsh and down right rude the way she is talking to all of us. Some of you may say that David's reaction was rude, but I think it's to be expected from someone who is insulted, or feeling insulted, by someone else who doesn't know him and is judging him, and all of us, for the way we treat our animals.
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First of all I don't have an inferiority complex that makes me act in a manner that requires me to try to gang up on someone that they don't agree with.
You know science is not the end all be all of knowledge...How many times have they pronounced something only to recant it later. How many lives have they destroyed with their so called safe discoveries and inventions. So when you say snakes can't feel because they lack some sort of a 'system' I will take that with a grain of salt. They may have another way they 'feel' science hasn't figured out yet.
Some of you disagreed about my letting Alexander see and touch the other fur family members when I got him. You were wrong. He is the calmest snake ever invented around them now. He doesn't get defensive when one flies right in front of his face to get on a shelf. He doesn't spaz when one comes right to his face to have a look. When my oldest kitty decided out of the blue to swat him on the head, he didn't stike back or roll into a ball. He's quite fearless....In a good way.
I will maintain that given the opportunaty a snake can become more than what humans have allowed them to be.............But then the handler/owner/caretaker has to be able to feel and empathize themselves to understand other lifeforms..........If they can't.........Is that a jab...Oh Yes!
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Originally Posted by Arsinoe
Originally Posted by David802
On your high horse again ic.....
@ Arsinoe = Because snakes lack a limbic system they are physically unable to recognize feelings like love. Your snake does not love you, nor does it like to be handled by you twice a day for an hour at a time, it is not disappointed if you don't have time for it. In all actuality it is less stressed and happier when you leave it alone, handling a snake for an hour or two a day is only going to stress it out..... In case I didn't make my underlying implication clear..... YOU ARE A BAD PET OWNER BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF YOUR ANIMAL AND ALL OF YOUR ANIMALS SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY UNTIL YOU CAN LEARN TO PROPERLY CARE FOR THEM!!!!!
... P.S. How's it feel to be treated like an inferior because of how you treat your animals?
Re:Charlie & Lucy
Guys, I think David was trying to show Arsinoe how she's making us feel about how we treat our snakes. Yes, it was harsh and bold of him to say that. But, it's harsh and down right rude the way she is talking to all of us. Some of you may say that David's reaction was rude, but I think it's to be expected from someone who is insulted, or feeling insulted, by someone else who doesn't know him and is judging him, and all of us, for the way we treat our animals.
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First of all I don't have an inferiority complex that makes me act in a manner that requires me to try to gang up on someone that they don't agree with.
You know science is not the end all be all of knowledge...How many times have they pronounced something only to recant it later. How many lives have they destroyed with their so called safe discoveries and inventions. So when you say snakes can't feel because they lack some sort of a 'system' I will take that with a grain of salt. They may have another way they 'feel' science hasn't figured out yet.
Some of you disagreed about my letting Alexander see and touch the other fur family members when I got him. You were wrong. He is the calmest snake ever invented around them now. He doesn't get defensive when one flies right in front of his face to get on a shelf. He doesn't spaz when one comes right to his face to have a look. When my oldest kitty decided out of the blue to swat him on the head, he didn't stike back or roll into a ball. He's quite fearless....In a good way.
I will maintain that given the opportunaty a snake can become more than what humans have allowed them to be.............But then the handler/owner/caretaker has to be able to feel and empathize themselves to understand other lifeforms..........If they can't.........Is that a jab...Oh Yes!
ugh. I HATE it when people try to say that about science. Science is not the "be all, end all," and that is the POINT. It is striving towards bettering itself. Scientific principles are never just disregarded; they are modified and adapted. If something can be completely dis-proven, it was never science to begin with. Take something like "the Earth is flat." To a very VERY good approximation, it is. In our everyday lives, it is, for all intents and purposes, flat. Scientific ideas must be retro-actively consistent (new principles reduce to old principles under the right circumstances).
Science itself has never destroyed or saved lives. It just doesn't work that way. People abuse technology that arose from an understanding of scientific principles, sure--just like you're abusing the millions of scientific man-hours it took to advance technology to the computer age to complain about people keeping a solitary animal in a container that is more appropriate and has a larger foot-print than what you find aesthetically pleasing.
If you don't like science, get off the internet, stop eating any sort of cultured grain or filtered water and see how long it takes before you're begging for the advancements that you take for granted. Please, PLEASE think twice about what you're saying. Right now you're just sounding foolish and ignorant. We all care a lot for our animals; in fact, that's why many of us moved our animals into "tupperware." Sure, a snake can be trained to tolerate being swatted by a cat, but that doesn't mean that that is appropriate or enjoyable for the snake. STOP ANTHROPOMORPHIZING YOUR ANIMALS.
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Originally Posted by WesleyTF
ugh. I HATE it when people try to say that about science. Science is not the "be all, end all," and that is the POINT. It is striving towards bettering itself. Scientific principles are never just disregarded; they are modified and adapted. If something can be completely dis-proven, it was never science to begin with. Take something like "the Earth is flat." To a very VERY good approximation, it is. In our everyday lives, it is, for all intents and purposes, flat. Scientific ideas must be retro-actively consistent (new principles reduce to old principles under the right circumstances).
Science itself has never destroyed or saved lives. It just doesn't work that way. People abuse technology that arose from an understanding of scientific principles, sure--just like you're abusing the millions of scientific man-hours it took to advance technology to the computer age to complain about people keeping a solitary animal in a container that is more appropriate and has a larger foot-print than what you find aesthetically pleasing.
If you don't like science, get off the internet, stop eating any sort of cultured grain or filtered water and see how long it takes before you're begging for the advancements that you take for granted. Please, PLEASE think twice about what you're saying. Right now you're just sounding foolish and ignorant. We all care a lot for our animals; in fact, that's why many of us moved our animals into "tupperware." Sure, a snake can be trained to tolerate being swatted by a cat, but that doesn't mean that that is appropriate or enjoyable for the snake. STOP ANTHROPOMORPHIZING YOUR ANIMALS.
So science doesn't destroy?..........If it creates a concept to be abused by others, does that absolve them as to their join copability for the results of their ideas and concepts???.......NO!
If you believe a snake is 100% solitary...devoid of feelings....etc. Then turn them lose to be a snake then and stop trapping them in a human world.
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SCIENCE DOES NOT CREATE CONCEPTS! Science is a process of trying to uncover the fundamental laws of Nature... Fundamental laws that have never changed. NEVER. NEVER. The culpability lies within the individuals who abuse power, not science. Science does not destroy, although nature does tend towards entropy... But I digress--arguing thermodynamics is way beyond the scope of this conversation.
Furthermore, I don't believe a snake is 100% solitary(never said so, either), but I do believe you're abusing them by subjecting them to stressful situations until they learn to cope. I think we should meet the snake on its terms--make them feel safe and comfortable and interact with them in a manner consistent with their natural instincts.
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ROFL OMG, seriously? THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for yet again proving with out a shadow of a doubt that you are to innept, arrogant, ignorant, and out ride dumb! In what way do you think you know better then the thousands of DOCTORS that have spent there entire lives studying the science of the brain!
Here are some terms to google that helps support my point. (terms that I know you are to arrogant to ever consider looking up, thats a jab as well by the way.)
Brain science
R-complex
the Triune brain Model
Paul D Maclean
Forebrain
midbrain
hindbrain
Limbic System
The science of the limbic system is not some "crack pot theory" as your describing it and the fact that you're trying to argue against it is just more and more proof that you should not only not be aloud to have animals, but you shouldn't be aloud to have kids either. You are obviously to innept to care for anything but yourself and I pitty anything that relys on you in any way (theres another jab for you).
As far as my "infiriority complex" goes how can you even imply that such a thing exists in the same breath that you say (to summarize) the limbic system does not exist, being that the limbic system is what would handle the FEELING of infiriority? I believe your direct quote would be "So when you say snakes can't feel because they lack some sort of a 'system' I will take that with a grain of salt." What you're essentially saying in that quote is that you think that snakes have developed some magic section of the brain that controlls feelings with out actually having the section of the brain that DEVELOPES CONTROLLS AND RECOGNISES FEELINGS! Is this another part of your magic limbic ball python morph the one that talks, and tap dances?
Its a good thing that your to innept to take care of your pets! Now I wont feel bad when the scientists find out about this and come take your snake so they can study it.
To end this statement I'll quote WesleyTF because he delivered it so elequintly! "STOP ANTHROPOMORPHIZING YOUR ANIMALS."
theres another word for you to google because I'll garantee you have no idea what it means either.... theres another jab for you.
Edit : I'd also like to take a second and thank WesleyTF for touching on a subject that I really can not argue about with out offending everyone on the board. :P Thanks welsey for explaining something I didn't want to.
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Some of you disagreed about my letting Alexander see and touch the other fur family members when I got him. You were wrong. He is the calmest snake ever invented around them now. He doesn't get defensive when one flies right in front of his face to get on a shelf. He doesn't spaz when one comes right to his face to have a look. When my oldest kitty decided out of the blue to swat him on the head, he didn't stike back or roll into a ball. He's quite fearless....In a good way.
You have one ball python. You can't compare him to other ball pythons, because you haven't had the experience with others to presume that your Alexander is extraordinary in his behaviors, because he's not. I know he's extraordinary to you - and that's awesome!
I've not "conditioned" any of my ball pythons to be comfortable around my dog and two cats, and yet, when I'm taking them out to clean a tub, none of them are particularly bothered by the cat that reaches out and despite my best efforts, will on occasion get a quick swipe in - they don't strike back or roll into a ball.
They don't spaz with the activity of the dog and two cats, and I've never "worked" with them to be that way - it's simply their nature to be a calm snake. Sure there are exceptions in the ball python world that are exceptionally shy, but I don't think you can pat yourself on the back that you've done something by "conditioning" him that he wouldn't have done on his own without your forcing him to interact with your other animals.
Every behavior that I've seen you attribute to your unique methodology of caring for Alexander is not out of the norm for my 50 ball pythons that I've not used your methodology for.
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:DI also think bigguns needs to write another canned response about what the snakes think about being handled!
Thats right BG I'm calling on you for another excelent canned response. :D:D:D
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How often i handle my snakes depends on the type of snake im dealing with. For example, i'll leave a ball python alone for the most part, as its a very shy snake. When i start getting into bigger snakes, however, i'll handle them more frequently to keep them nice and tame. I came to this decision after doing research on snakes i want to get, and even through further research on the snakes i currently own. You never can learn too much it seems :D
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for yet again proving with out a shadow of a doubt that you are to innept, arrogant, ignorant, and out ride dumb! In what way do you think you know better then the thousands of DOCTORS that have spent there entire lives studying the science of the brain!
:gj:
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We handle our BP maybe once or twice a week. Sometimes less, rarely more.
Whenever we do handle him, its for no more than 20 minutes and often we'll just let him go where he wants and keep an eye on him. I have no other pets to worry about gettin him, but my fiancee feels that, even though BPs are shy, we should handle him as she is becoming a teacher and intends to put him in her classroom
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I have two snakes. One in a bin, one in a glass terrarium. I try to handle them both at least twice a week, as I want them to stay calm and used to me.
The only difference in their handling, is if one hasn't pooped yet, I'm less likely to take it out. Though my woma just crapped on my floor the other day, right after crapping in her cage too. Grrrr.
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Typically I only keep left over lasagna in Tupperware.
My aminamals live in Sterilite tubs though. Just sayin.
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You guys are really getting trolled hard.
"Never argue with an idiot; they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
and
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Both by Mark Twain. You guys are holding your own, though. However, basic internet advice:
"Don't feed the trolls."
Though it's not as amusing.
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You guys are really getting trolled hard.
"Never argue with an idiot; they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
and
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Both by Mark Twain. You guys are holding your own, though. However, basic internet advice:
"Don't feed the trolls."
Though it's not as amusing.
Well I guess I shouldn't argue with you......You obviously don't see what the point of this poll is. It was to find out if ones who use habitats tend to pay more attention to their snakes than the ones who use bins...You know out of sight out of mind. If you don't see them you might be more inclined to ignore them.
The concusion so far is that it's about equal.
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Re: How Often Do You Handle Your Snakes?
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Originally Posted by David802
ROFL OMG, seriously? THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for yet again proving with out a shadow of a doubt that you are to innept, arrogant, ignorant, and out ride dumb! In what way do you think you know better then the thousands of DOCTORS that have spent there entire lives studying the science of the brain!
Here are some terms to google that helps support my point. (terms that I know you are to arrogant to ever consider looking up, thats a jab as well by the way.)
Brain science
R-complex
the Triune brain Model
Paul D Maclean
Forebrain
midbrain
hindbrain
Limbic System
The science of the limbic system is not some "crack pot theory" as your describing it and the fact that you're trying to argue against it is just more and more proof that you should not only not be aloud to have animals, but you shouldn't be aloud to have kids either. You are obviously to innept to care for anything but yourself and I pitty anything that relys on you in any way (theres another jab for you).
As far as my "infiriority complex" goes how can you even imply that such a thing exists in the same breath that you say (to summarize) the limbic system does not exist, being that the limbic system is what would handle the FEELING of infiriority? I believe your direct quote would be "So when you say snakes can't feel because they lack some sort of a 'system' I will take that with a grain of salt." What you're essentially saying in that quote is that you think that snakes have developed some magic section of the brain that controlls feelings with out actually having the section of the brain that DEVELOPES CONTROLLS AND RECOGNISES FEELINGS! Is this another part of your magic limbic ball python morph the one that talks, and tap dances?
Its a good thing that your to innept to take care of your pets! Now I wont feel bad when the scientists find out about this and come take your snake so they can study it.
To end this statement I'll quote WesleyTF because he delivered it so elequintly! "STOP ANTHROPOMORPHIZING YOUR ANIMALS."
theres another word for you to google because I'll garantee you have no idea what it means either.... theres another jab for you.
Edit : I'd also like to take a second and thank WesleyTF for touching on a subject that I really can not argue about with out offending everyone on the board. :P Thanks welsey for explaining something I didn't want to.
The only one that's dum is someone who thinks science is the end all be all of information. They consistantly make mistakes...They consistantly change their minds. And they will admit that they know very little about the brain. You can catagorize sections but it doesn't mean that there isn't something that they don't know about that causes the same effect....But then aren't you religating the creature to a living mechanical, that is just ruled by body parts and not spirit.
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Re: How Often Do You Handle Your Snakes?
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Originally Posted by theturtlepond
I take them out once or twice a week. Most of the time they just keep moving until they find a hiding place which tells, me they would rather hide anyway. And tubs a great unless you cram your sankes in there. If they have enough room it is fine.
I am the same way ....I will take my BP's out twice a week or so and as soon as they start/find a hiding spot I put them back in their tubs. Now my boas on the other hand once they get out there is no stopping them ...climbing all over they get taken out 3 times a week roughly and that's only because they are a lot more active, I also don't handle them the whole time ill let them go all over the bedroom .......Under my supervision
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Re: How Often Do You Handle Your Snakes?
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Originally Posted by Arsinoe
Well I guess I shouldn't argue with you......You obviously don't see what the point of this poll is. It was to find out if ones who use habitats tend to pay more attention to their snakes than the ones who use bins...You know out of sight out of mind. If you don't see them you might be more inclined to ignore them.
The concusion so far is that it's about equal.
I see the point of your poll. You got one snake and based on your very limited experience, have formulated a lot of BS ideas about snake behavior and husbandry in general.
I currently have only one 4 drawer rack and a small building full of 4 and 6 foot cages. I check on every snake at least twice every day - as does just about everyone on this forum whether they keep their animals in a rack or a cage.
That doesn't mean I cuddle them or pet them or let them curl up in front of the fireplace with the dog. It means I check their cages for snake crap, change out water dishes and mist as necessary. Everyone here does it, yes, even the ones who keep their animals in tupperware.
Too bad you don't live closer. You could come over and show me how much my cribos, FWCs and pseustes are missing out on being handled and petted and stroked every day. Then after we bandage you up and send you on your way your can park your ass back down on your horse and see if it still feels so high.
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Re: How Often Do You Handle Your Snakes?
I hold my snakes when I can some times more sometimes less. Depends on what's going on that week. My spider ball female is only 6 months and she seems to tolerate me. My pastel male is 10 months and he seems to really enjoy being held and getting out and about to see the house. My 14 year old female normal is very happy to come out and say hi. She LOVES my husband David. If I open the tank she will just stay in the cave, but if David opens the door she instantly comes out and goes straight for him much like my pastel does for me. I think each snake is differnt and will have a uniuqe personality. That's what I love about ball pythons. They can be so quirky. I keep all my snakes in glass tanks except for our 14 year old. She is in a 69 inch long 22inch high 20 inch wide custum wood cage we built for her retirment. It has two glass fold down doors in front so we are eye level when we get her out.she is doing great as are all our snakes. I considered tub and rack system but I didn't see the need yet. When I start to breed in the next few years I will go to the rack system for any new arrivals. Having glass tanks makes it easy for me to walk in and do a quick check with out disturbing day time sleepers. But as many people have said.. What every works for that person isthe best bet for the snake.
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Re: How Often Do You Handle Your Snakes?
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Originally Posted by Arsinoe
The only one that's dum is someone who thinks science is the end all be all of information. They consistantly make mistakes...They consistantly change their minds. And they will admit that they know very little about the brain. You can catagorize sections but it doesn't mean that there isn't something that they don't know about that causes the same effect....But then aren't you religating the creature to a living mechanical, that is just ruled by body parts and not spirit.
You are the only person in this thread that has made the claim that science is considered the 'end all be all' of anything. It isn't. It's a continual pursuit of information and in that pursuit there are bound to be setbacks. Failure is just as important a part of scientific discovery as success. That's just how it works. Lots of hypothesis testing to prove or disprove the given explanations for natural phenomenon. There are also beliefs and thoughts regarding the natural world that are unwavering despite clear and empirical evidence that debunk and refute them. Those are often self-proclaimed 'end all be all' sources of information and they are anything but science.
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Re: How Often Do You Handle Your Snakes?
I too check on each snake once or twice a day. More if Im expecting eggs. I do not handle the BPs very often at all. Especially the ones that are more nervous. I tend to leave them be. I do howevre handle my boas, retic and borneos a few times a week. They actually get more attention as far as handling and out-time goes. The retics because they simply get mad and hold a grudge if they are ignored. The borneos and boas because they have the potential of becoming large and dangerous if they are never handled and allowed to develop any agression issues. So really it varies depending on how many snakes a person has and what species they are.
Science by the way, has actually proved some things that were thought to be of a purely "spiritual belief" theory. No one will ever know everything and really anything you can prove to me can in some way be proven wrong by someone else. "You" being a generalised term.
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