Minorities...

I know this sounds weird but it is for an AP English assignment. For anybody who is a minority/immigrant to America, do you celebrate the 4th of July just like any person who was born/raised/is part of the majority? My instincts tell me yes, but I want proof for an essay I am writing relating to this topic.

Thanks,
Conner

I'm not an immigrant or minority, but I have friends that moved here from South Africa. They don't celebrate it unless with us or other American friends. I think to them it's just another day, but they still appreciate it. Same thing with Thanksgiving too.

I moved here from England years ago, and I remember we did celebrate the 4th of july the first year we were here because somebody had invited us to their party. We celebrate every year. :-)

I don't know what kind of scope this paper covers, but as a white american, born and bred, who can trace ancestry back to not only the Revolutionary War but even the original group of the Jamestown Colony:

I have spent time in other countries, and during their cutural-specific holidays I participated in them. I wouldn't say that I "celebrated" per se, it was more experiencing the culture than a meaningful celebration of what the holiday stood for. That, and it's just plain fun.

I would hope that anyone who becomes a citizen of this great country would celebrate the 4th of July. I would hope they realize this is the most important holiday in our country's history. I know they are taught the importance of the 4th in our country's history in their citizen classes, so sure why wouldn't they celebrate the holiday?

Jim Smith
PS I immigrated to the US from West Virginia.

Yes I celebrate July 4th and than I celebrate July 14th :gj:

Minority and origination are two totally different groups of people.

You can have a minority who isn't an immigrant, and an immigrant who is not a minority.

An immigrant from Africa who is black would be considered an immigrant and a minority. An immigrant from France who is white would be considered an immigrant but not a minority. And the reverse is true. A white immigrant from Africa would be considered an immigrant but not a minority. A black immigrant from France would be considered an immigrant and a minority. A black person born in America is not considered an immigrant, only a minority. A white person born in America is neither an immigrant or a minority.

Immigration is related to a persons original birth place, and minority is related to a persons ethnicity.

Should minorities and immigrants alike celebrate the 4th of July? Absolutely. If you live in the United States of America, July 4th 1776 is a date that should be celebrated by you. If it wasn't for that day, America would not be possible.

I would say America has come quite a long way with both immigration and minority issues. And all that is possible because of America being a free country. :salute:

I am a U.S. citizen and celebrate July 4th which is the U.S. Independence Day. I know people who are immigrants from Mexico, they do not celebrate July 4th. They celebrate Cinco de Mayo, which is the Mexican Independence day. I think it is kinda crappy actually, It's obvious they have no real use for the U.S. besides our jobs.

Disclaimer: I am not talking about all Mexican immigrants, There are some that call America thier country and celebrate American holidays also.

thank you for all your replys it was exactly was i was looking for...
and rockytop, I put immigrant/minority to be inclusive, also it really bugs me when people say that all people of european decent or "white" are all the same. Say that all people from asia are the same and they will throw a fit, most of the time they say they look different. If you compare pure bred people from different european countries you CAN tell the difference, though they might not be as pronounced.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Yes I celebrate July 4th and than I celebrate July 14th :gj:

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Are you French??? :confused:

I am a 15 year old Dutch kid who moved here at age 11. Of course I do not celebrate July 4.

Later, Matt

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Originally Posted by dc1

Are you French??? :confused:

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Yes :gj:, and I have been living in the US for almost 9 years now.

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

I am a 15 year old Dutch kid who moved here at age 11. Of course I do not celebrate July 4.

Later, Matt

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may I ask why not?

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Yes :gj:, and I have been living in the US for almost 9 years now.

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Ha, I figured! July 14 the day of the French revolution, and the infamous Tennis Court Oath!

I had to do a paper on it today so it was fresh on my mind :P

Sometimes I figure I know just about the same knowledge of America as other countries... :confused: :D

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Originally Posted by monty's dad

may I ask why not?

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I'm going to assume he had no choice in moving here. 15 years old, moved here a few years ago?

Personally if I wasn't an American, but I was here over the 4th anyways, I'd want to take a part in the festivities. Not for any value about perceived meaning behind it, but because it's fun to get a bunch of people together, grill some food, eat chips and salsa, swim in someone's backyard pool, and shoot off some fireworks.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

I'm going to assume he had no choice in moving here. 15 years old, moved here a few years ago?

Personally if I wasn't an American, but I was here over the 4th anyways, I'd want to take a part in the festivities. Not for any value about perceived meaning behind it, but because it's fun to get a bunch of people together, grill some food, eat chips and salsa, swim in someone's backyard pool, and shoot off some fireworks.

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ahhh yes!! i cant wait for summer!!!!:taz::banana:

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Originally Posted by monty's dad

ahhh yes!! i cant wait for summer!!!!:taz::banana:

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+ rep :D

summer kicks winters booty :D

Even alot of born americans do not celebrate most holidays for their original reason anyway. Alot of holidays are just an excuse for a paid day off of work to party. Aside from cinco de mayo, I would expect most immigrants to celebrate the 4th just because its a good excuse to party and have fireworks.

My grandparents on my dads side immigrated from Italy. They immediately took on the holiday customs of the USA. Every single year and every single holiday the USA had, was celebrated in US custom. The 4th became a huge cook out with fireworks and american flag/red white & blue decorations just like any born american would do.

I never asked my family why. Thats just the way it was. But they also celebrated their own holidays, so in essence, they had twice as many holidays or days of rememberance.

I think you may find a difference if you were to examine families with and without children... just a thought.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by monty's dad

may I ask why not?

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He's a rebel without a cause.

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Originally Posted by dsirkle

He's a rebel without a cause.

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Originally Posted by monty's dad

may I ask why not?

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Dale, I will have to disagree with you.

As for the question, I don't celebrate the day (unless there's some party of course, but then I won't be partying because of the significance of the date) because it is not the Independence Day of my country. It's that simple. I don't really feel any sense of accomplishment or pride to be in the country if it's their Independence Day.

Later, Matt

If this is not "Your" country... Than why are you here? I embrace my country every day. I love and cherish the land I walk on. I belive that any us citizen should love this country or leave this contry. Just my $.02

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Yes :gj:, and I have been living in the US for almost 9 years now.

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Bet you have a kick *booty* accent!

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I am a U.S. citizen and celebrate July 4th which is the U.S. Independence Day. I know people who are immigrants from Mexico, they do not celebrate July 4th. They celebrate Cinco de Mayo, which is the Mexican Independence day. I think it is kinda crappy actually, It's obvious they have no real use for the U.S. besides our jobs.

Disclaimer: I am not talking about all Mexican immigrants, There are some that call America thier country and celebrate American holidays also.

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Actually Cinco de Mayo is not Mexico's independance day and most Mexicans don't care about that day.

It's actually more popular in the U.S. then in Mexico..

And my parents don't really celebrate July 4th.

I still pop fireworks and stuff, but it's not a big day.

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Originally Posted by temec

I know this sounds weird but it is for an AP English assignment. For anybody who is a minority/immigrant to America, do you celebrate the 4th of July just like any person who was born/raised/is part of the majority? My instincts tell me yes, but I want proof for an essay I am writing relating to this topic.

Thanks,
Conner

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I think this is relative, For Our family which we are originaly from Venezuela (South America) We celebrate 4th of July. The independce was achieved through similar ways like the USA. Venezuelan Independence day is the 5th of july, most countries around Venezuela have very close related independence days, since their Armies help each other out.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I am a U.S. citizen and celebrate July 4th which is the U.S. Independence Day. I know people who are immigrants from Mexico, they do not celebrate July 4th. They celebrate Cinco de Mayo, which is the Mexican Independence day. I think it is kinda crappy actually, It's obvious they have no real use for the U.S. besides our jobs.

Disclaimer: I am not talking about all Mexican immigrants, There are some that call America thier country and celebrate American holidays also.

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This is very wrong and I'll tell you why.... Cinco de Mayo (May 5) IS NOT THE MEXICAN INDEPENDENCE DAY!!! Mexican Independence Day is September 16!
May 5 is just a day people in the USA (Americans and Immigrants as well) have marketed to party and mostly drink... The only thing Mexico and Cinco de Mayo have related is this: "The Mexican army's unlikely victory over French forces at the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862" This has nothing to do with Mexico's Independence... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinco_de_Mayo)

Beat you.:cool:

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Originally Posted by _Venom_

Beat you.:cool:

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Ya lol. :8:

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Originally Posted by cweimer4

Bet you have a kick *booty* accent!

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I do have an accent however it is not your typical heavy French accent, it more of a mix of several ones :rolleyes: (been travelling a bit)

People notice my accent but cannot always figure out where I am from. ;)

im mexican but born and raised here in cali. my parents came from mexico and we all celebrate 4th of july. we buy our fireworks and gather in areas around here to watch a fireworks show.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I do have an accent however it is not your typical heavy French accent, it more of a mix of several ones :rolleyes: (been traveling a bit)

People notice my accent but cannot always figure out where I am from. ;)

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And you can forget understanding her over the phone..

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

And you can forget understanding her over the phone..

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:rolleyes:

It's ok I don't understand people from the south either :O :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Deborah

:rolleyes:

It's ok I don't understand people from the south either :O :rofl:

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Laissez les bons temps rouler

Not very proper but you get the idea..

:please: just please don't bite me..

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I do have an accent however it is not your typical heavy French accent, it more of a mix of several ones :rolleyes: (been travelling a bit)

People notice my accent but cannot always figure out where I am from. ;)

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You deceive yourself! :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Laissez les bons temps rouler

Not very proper but you get the idea..

:please: just please don't bite me..

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Ric Ocasek couldn't have said it any better.

I'm a minority; born and raised in FL. My mother is native american, and my dad was born a year before his parents moved here. My entire family celebrates the 4th of July.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I do have an accent however it is not your typical heavy French accent, it more of a mix of several ones :rolleyes: (been travelling a bit)
People notice my accent but cannot always figure out where I am from. ;)

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I've always wondered about that, your accent is a lil funny in that sense.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

:rolleyes:
It's ok I don't understand people from the south either :O :rofl:

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Whatch-yall talkin bout? We southerners be talkin as clear as day.:rolleyes::P