Buying offline...

What is a good way to be sure its legit??? I saw a kingsnake ad and they had the picture, then i emailed them and asked for pics and they sent one of the ones from the ad. The ad doesnt list a last name for the breeder and they dont have a buisness name... I know of the whole todays paper thing, but I was thinking just a pic of the snake with the persons email or something by it would work. Even then cant i pay with pay pal then they just not send it??? :please:

Well I went through this scared stage before. If you use paypal to pay, you will get an electronic receipt e-mailed to you. Saying that you payed $... to ... And then if nothing is shipped to you, you may report it to the police and get your money returned.

do a search on fauna classifieds board of inquiry. it doesn't catch everything but it catches A LOT.

the feedback forums here and on other fourms can be good as well. if you're looking for information about a specific seller, post an inquiry.

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Originally Posted by PythonBreeder

Well I went through this scared stage before. If you use paypal to pay, you will get an electronic receipt e-mailed to you. Saying that you payed $... to ... And then if nothing is shipped to you, you may report it to the police and get your money returned.

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I didnt know pay pal does that, and I saw someone on hear say that they dont do anyting to refund you if your buying snakes. Maybe any animals? Idk.

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

do a search on fauna classifieds board of inquiry. it doesn't catch everything but it catches A LOT.

the feedback forums here and on other fourms can be good as well. if you're looking for information about a specific seller, post an inquiry.

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I did a search on here and couldnt find anything. just did one on fauna board of inquiry and couldnt find the name or email.

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Originally Posted by I<3Dreamsicles

I did a search on here and couldnt find anything. just did one on fauna board of inquiry and couldnt find the name or email.

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did you post an [info] or [inquiry] about the seller?

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

did you post an [info] or [inquiry] about the seller?

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Yeah i just posted a inquiry on fauna BOI about him. One response said "Chris is a great guy with very nice animals. I wouldn't hesitate purchasing from him. "

but the person who said that is new on that site like me..

Paypal doesn't cover you when it comes to buying live animals. Your best bet is to search and inquire on here in the feedback forum and on Fauna's BOI.

I asked for more pics and got

"It is what it is. No funny camera stuff, pic taken in front of window, it is a good looking animal. Really do not have time to take a bunch of pics with emails in them. I have references if you need them, been selling on KS for 7 years, never screwed anyone, it's a $150 snake and really do not have extra time for more pics.

I hope you understand...

(name & number)"

dont have time to take a picture and upload it then send an email? that takes around 1-2 mins MAX
1-2 mins to make $150 seems worth it to me lol..

in my opinion unless your getting a crazy deal that makes u NEED that specific snake because of that price, there will probly be another from someone willing to take the time within a week.

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Originally Posted by SDballp

dont have time to take a picture and upload it then send an email? that takes around 1-2 mins MAX
1-2 mins to make $150 seems worth it to me lol..

in my opinion unless your getting a crazy deal that makes u NEED that specific snake because of that price, there will probly be another from someone willing to take the time within a week.

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Yeah thats what my friend told me. I agree. It takes like 2 minutes to take, and upload pictures. Yeah... once I get around to responding to him im going to tell him. Yeah only $150. May not be alot to you but im just a kid with no job. And its worth two minutes. Plus, its not like im going to believe him. "ive never screwed anyone" yeah. and a scammer WOULDNT say something like that :confused:

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Its not a crazy deal its pretty good. The snake in the pic looks really good and has some pretty high blushing. It could be part of the pic thats why i asked for more, the black of the pastel looks faded like a ghost. I havent seen anything as nice at all. Even the not so good ones were more... And im just impatient because ive been trying to get a pastel for like a month.....

If he cant take the time to take a quick pic to satisfy a possible customer then it sounds like he doesn't want to sell the snake that bad.

I agree. But even so. If its legit its a good deal and a nice snake.

.... :confused: :)

I wonder how this came about....

"I am sorry I sent the below email. I am having a rough day and took it out on you. Any purchase is a valuable one to the owner and I am sorry I made it sound like you were not important regardless of the price of the snake. If you still want me to take a pic with an email I will make time. If not I understand. Unfortunately that is the only pic I took of that animal and is my last pastel. You can either call me or let me know you still want me to take a pic and I will accomiadiate. I am sorry about the below email it is not like me.....

Hope you understand...."

............. well.... I wonder what made him notice so soon that he didnt respond in a good way...

at least he realized that what he said wasnt helping him sell his snake. Its good he apologized. I would just ask him for a pic of the snake and a paper with his number and email on it or something.

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Originally Posted by I<3Dreamsicles

.... :confused: :)

I wonder how this came about....

"I am sorry I sent the below email. I am having a rough day and took it out on you. Any purchase is a valuable one to the owner and I am sorry I made it sound like you were not important regardless of the price of the snake. If you still want me to take a pic with an email I will make time. If not I understand. Unfortunately that is the only pic I took of that animal and is my last pastel. You can either call me or let me know you still want me to take a pic and I will accomiadiate. I am sorry about the below email it is not like me.....

Hope you understand...."

............. well.... I wonder what made him notice so soon that he didnt respond in a good way...

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It just might be he has read this thread.
If it is one you want ask him to send a couple of pictures to you.

Just wanted to point out that while Paypal won't do much with a live animal dispute, if you don't receive a package at all, they will refund your money.

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Originally Posted by BILLB OKC

It just might be he has read this thread.
If it is one you want ask him to send a couple of pictures to you.

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Thats sort of what I was thinking. That would be random though.
If it is one ? one what? I asked him to send more pics.

So...whether PayPal will refund you or not is kind of tricksty.

If you pay for something and you do not receive anything...and the buyer doesn't produce a tracking number that says the package was delivered, then PayPal will usually refund you.

However, the problem comes when the scammer sends you any package at all. He could send you an empty box, and as long as he can show that he shipped a package to your PayPal address and it was delivered, then you probably won't get refunded.

That's how it seems to happen. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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As for the guy selling the snake, since he apologized and you really want the snake, I'd do the pic with current newspaper thing. If he follows through, then you're probably okay.

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Just wanted to point out that while Paypal won't do much with a live animal dispute, if you don't receive a package at all, they will refund your money.

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i heard that if you receive an empty box they say its a successfull transaction

he got back to me with another pic with his # by it. Its deffinatley the same snake. Looks different then the first pic but still looks nice. the first pic the black was really light for some reason and looked greyish so the blushing looked way more intense. he says hes gonna send me more pics tomorrow too. :gj:

David Green is not new lol and I sent you a PM on that site The guys name your refering to is Chris Lipps not Chris Fargo. He is a great guy and produces many a hot Blood morph and also has branched out to BP morphs.

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Originally Posted by 771subliminal

i heard that if you receive an empty box they say its a successfull transaction

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wtf. thats messed up. yes congrats they shipped a box, the only problem is. its just that. A BOX. :8:

and shhh dont give them any ideas :colbert:

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Originally Posted by Eventide

So...whether PayPal will refund you or not is kind of tricksty.

If you pay for something and you do not receive anything...and the buyer doesn't produce a tracking number that says the package was delivered, then PayPal will usually refund you.

However, the problem comes when the scammer sends you any package at all. He could send you an empty box, and as long as he can show that he shipped a package to your PayPal address and it was delivered, then you probably won't get refunded.

That's how it seems to happen. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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As for the guy selling the snake, since he apologized and you really want the snake, I'd do the pic with current newspaper thing. If he follows through, then you're probably okay.

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It sounds to me like pay pal doesnt have very good customer service?

Yeah I do really want/like the snake. its a pretty good looker.

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Originally Posted by Royal Morphz

David Green is not new lol and I sent you a PM on that site The guys name your refering to is Chris Lipps not Chris Fargo. He is a great guy and produces many a hot Blood morph and also has branched out to BP morphs.

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Well he only had 11 posts so.... idk what im supposed to think...

I wasnt sure if it was fargo thats what i put in my post. I asked Dgreen about it but you beat him to the message back. I did ask him if it was suposed to be chris lipps. since i saw that DGreen said the exact same thing about a chris from arizona on another post.

Thanks Tim, but I am pretty new to many of these forums. I've been breeding snakes since the 80s but never really got involved on the internet. Chris is a quality guy and so are his snakes. He is very busy and sounds like you just caught him at a bad time.

If you like the snake you should buy it, you won't have any problems. If you want to check on me contact Brock, Roussis, Luman, etc.

Photos on a local newpaper with date showing aren't a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by JayCee

Photos on a local newpaper with date showing aren't a bad idea.

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its not a bad idea. i guess it would work but he has his # that he gave me. Its just like a newspaper sort of... it atleast proves that its not some random pic they found.

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Originally Posted by I<3Dreamsicles

wtf. thats messed up. yes congrats they shipped a box, the only problem is. its just that. A BOX. :8:

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Yep, they sent you a box. Whether it's empty or not doesn't really matter from Paypal's end. Who's to say they didn't send you exactly what they were supposed to, and now you're just trying to scam them and get something for free? It happens.

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Yep, they sent you a box. Whether it's empty or not doesn't really matter from Paypal's end. Who's to say they didn't send you exactly what they were supposed to, and now you're just trying to scam them and get something for free? It happens.

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yeah. idk. thats messed up though. maybe they should weigh the stuff at the shipping facilitys. empty box = less then box + snake. or if they add junk... might be more. idk. pay pal doesnt seem worth much to me...

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Originally Posted by waltah!

Paypal doesn't cover you when it comes to buying live animals. Your best bet is to search and inquire on here in the feedback forum and on Fauna's BOI.

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The only way you are covered is if you use a Credit Card through PayPal. If the animal doesn't get to you, you would be covered through your buyer's protection but honestly there are plenty of GREAT sellers out there- why go through the hassle for someone you're not feeling comfortable about?

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Yep, they sent you a box. Whether it's empty or not doesn't really matter from Paypal's end. Who's to say they didn't send you exactly what they were supposed to, and now you're just trying to scam them and get something for free? It happens.

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On the other hand, I have also heard that, if the seller does not record any proof that they sent the item, the buyer could receive it, love it, file a PayPal complaint and get their money refunded for an item that they have now essentially stolen.

That's really only applicable to dry goods that can be sent USPS, though, because UPS and FedEx will always have tracking numbers (I think).

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Originally Posted by I<3Dreamsicles

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yeah. idk. thats messed up though. maybe they should weigh the stuff at the shipping facilitys. empty box = less then box + snake. or if they add junk... might be more. idk. pay pal doesnt seem worth much to me...

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Problem is that when shipped through fedex or UPS shippers are being billed for a dimensional weight. ;)

Yeah, they should use actual weight though. Not for the shipping cost, but just to know something about the package.

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

On the other hand, I have also heard that, if the seller does not record any proof that they sent the item, the buyer could receive it, love it, file a PayPal complaint and get their money refunded for an item that they have now essentially stolen.

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That's why you remove the money from the account after you get it. If there isn't any money in the account, PayPal can't refund it. This is great if you're a good person and don't want to be scammed. It's bad in that scammers do this all the time and leave those scammed up a creek.

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Originally Posted by I<3Dreamsicles

I asked for more pics and got

"It is what it is. No funny camera stuff, pic taken in front of window, it is a good looking animal. Really do not have time to take a bunch of pics with emails in them. I have references if you need them, been selling on KS for 7 years, never screwed anyone, it's a $150 snake and really do not have extra time for more pics.

I hope you understand...

(name & number)"

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If it were me I would pass. If the seller doesn't have enough time for my requests then he doesn't get my money either.

Paypal refunds the money and places your account in the red, if you remove the money from your paypal account. You keep the money, but then you owe paypal.

Lesson: Paypal is not evil, but always use provable shipping methods, and always take photos of the package as you open it in front of the delivery person if the person shipping to you is questionable. You may need the delivery person's verification that you did or did not get what you were supposed to.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Paypal refunds the money and places your account in the red, if you remove the money from your paypal account. You keep the money, but then you owe paypal.

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Really? Hmm, never heard of that. Then again, I'm going off of what other people have said. :P

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Originally Posted by I<3Dreamsicles

I asked for more pics and got

"It is what it is. No funny camera stuff, pic taken in front of window, it is a good looking animal. Really do not have time to take a bunch of pics with emails in them. I have references if you need them, been selling on KS for 7 years, never screwed anyone, it's a $150 snake and really do not have extra time for more pics.

I hope you understand...

(name & number)"

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IMHO if they don't have time for a few pic's thats like saying don't bother me. I would move on to someone who will deal with you.

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Originally Posted by tonkatoyman

IMHO if they don't have time for a few pic's thats like saying don't bother me. I would move on to someone who will deal with you.

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yeah... that day he sent me a message saying he will take more pics tomorrow, which was yesterday and i emailed him about it and he just said "thats all i have" so i re sent him the quote of what he said. I probably wont get anything from him. Looks like im destined not to own a pastel.

Nah. You're just destined to not own that pastel. :)

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Originally Posted by Eventide

Nah. You're just destined to not own that pastel. :)

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no i think its any pastel.... i had a deal with a different breeder then he just stopped talking to me.

Kinda off but what is up with this guy posting every 3-4 post with just this?


The Following User Says Thank You to I<3Dreamsicles For This Useful Post: iloveleucie63 (10-27-2009)

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Originally Posted by PCG Aquariums

Kinda off but what is up with this guy posting every 3-4 post with just this?


The Following User Says Thank You to I<3Dreamsicles For This Useful Post: iloveleucie63 (10-27-2009)

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That's not a post. See the little "Thanks" button on the bottom right of each post? When you click it, it does that. It's kinda like a "Hey thanks" without having to post it.

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Originally Posted by Elise.m

That's not a post. See the little "Thanks" button on the bottom right of each post? When you click it, it does that. It's kinda like a "Hey thanks" without having to post it.

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Right but he is just replying random to the stuff. Dose it give you post counts for it?

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Originally Posted by PCG Aquariums

Right but he is just replying random to the stuff. Dose it give you post counts for it?

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No, it doesnt. It says THANKS: under your user picture and the number you have used, but it doesn't count for a post.

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Originally Posted by PCG Aquariums

Right but he is just replying random to the stuff. Dose it give you post counts for it?

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its just someone screwing around