Beware of Casey Lauren Byiers (Rhasputin/EVLV/Eccentric Evolution)

Well Elena probably thinks that Casey won't steal from HER... but having a theif in your house, co-founding or running websites with someone who behaves the way Casey does... Elena had better watch her own reputation, lest it get tarnished just by association. Many people would look at someone who is co-in charge of a website, while Casey is bullying and trying to cover up her theft and see a person is who okay with all of it going on.

I'm not saying she's is okay with it, or that she is bad in any way.... but it's a big big risk to a good reputation to be associating with someone like that and making excuses for her. Saying "oh gee Casey is super upset and just didn't know what to do" when it's plain that she knew she stole the mouse, admitted it wasn't hers, refused over and over to give up the stolen goods, and deleted threads, banned people, etc doesn't make it look very much like she cares what her roommate and co-founder of websites does. Casey is not a child who might just need some lessons in how to do what's right. She's a grown woman, right? Getting anxious over getting busted in a theft is not a valid excuse for her behavior.

I just think that something isn't right here. The whole thing seems too cozy. Elena should be dumping Casey, why isn't that happening?
If I were co-admin of a site where my co-admin ruined what was supposed to be a happy adventure by taking a critter that was not hers, made such a remark on the taxidermy site, edited negative comments about the situation, I would actually try to see if I could start another site and I'd certainly see about having that person not live in my home with me.

Wow; I have been off of this forum for awhile.. leave it to a random post on a taxidermy forum to lead me back. I have not read everything here, so I have no opinion.. but I will.

Hope that everyone is doing well.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

I have not read everything here, so I have no opinion.. but I will.

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Here ya' go... :couch: :popcorn:

Please lay off elena. Casey living with elena does not make things any easier for elena to help with any of this...it could only make it harder. There may be things going on, that have not been shared, complicating the matter. I trust Elena fully.

Lucille theres some stuff in that PM that stina didnt want casey to know. What if casey goes and kills all elena's animals now bc she's pissed? Unless you got stina's permission, i dont think its a good to post that for casey to read. For stina, elena, elena's bf, and allthe animals sake...

Casey could go kill all of Elena's animals at any point for any reason. She's been painted as so terrible... but the full story wasn't being told on anyone's part. Not saying Casey isn't still a thief but geez.

I'll be surprised if Stina ever gets her mouse...

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Originally Posted by Slim

:colbert: Far too much water has gone under the bridge and far too many details about your actions have come to light for you to try and pull this routine.

You show no contrition for your actions. What you are is terribly sorry you got caught, and so widely exposed. I see no remorse for the deed.

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I also see no remorse. I believe in forgiveness and redemption, but the apology has to be sincere, adequate, and--above all--not forced. In this case, I'm not certain those criteria are met. I'm cautious of seeming like I'm on a witch hunt (Hah!), but there are a dozen or so people on various forums and on facebook who have now come forward with tales of theft, lies, deception, and business-related shadiness from Casey from the last four years (yesterday's online bannings and deletion of comments seem minor compared to these things). I've met some of these folks in person, and I can't imagine they would all be misremembering what happened or who it involved.

That's why I can't help but conclude that her behavior represents a pattern. I hope I am proved wrong, and nobody carries around lingering resentments for the years of misdeeds they've all recently recounted, but I don't realistically think that will happen, and that makes me sad for Casey. I am VERY glad that Christina's animal has been removed from Casey, but from my vantage point it seems like the issue (from an ethical and business standpoint) has grown bigger than this one theft of this one particular animal and won't be brought to any kind of resolution due to the return of this one animal.

It's an unfortunate way to bring the issue to a close, because it's not really bringing anything to a close at all other than the return of this one animal which was stolen.

I want to thank everyone for contributing to this thread and all the others on the other forums. I've learned a lot seeing how people deal with each other, and why.

I agree with Lucille completely about posting the PM. In an all out fact war, why would someone withhold anything?

I've been reading every post since page one. If you believe Casey is the type to kill animals for spite, or out of anger, then why is she continuing to live with Elena? You can very easily give her the notice, and find a new roomie in no time at all.

Personally, if someone that lived with me even killed one of my FISH- that would be their last day in my house, no matter how badly we needed the money.

Folks, I would like to point out that PM is short for Private Message. For anyone who feels the need to start posting Private Messages in the open fourm, for any reason, I urge you to tread very, very lightly. You may think you are doing someone a service, or are furthering the cause of justice, but PMs are Private for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Folks, I would like to point out that PM is short for Private Message. For anyone who feels the need to start posting Private Messages in the open fourm, for any reason, I urge you to tread very, very lightly. You may think you are doing someone a service, or are furthering the cause of justice, but PMs are Private for a reason.

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I disagree.

Here's my stance on PM's.

A private message is something sent from one person to another that the sender would like to have seen by the receiver. However, that is based on the presumption that the receiver is willing to do this WITHOUT being asked to do so.

I feel NO obligation to keep anything to myself that I have not said, prior to receiving it, that I will. ASSuming that I will keep a secret without asking me if I will is done at YOUR risk.

People make ASSumptions and then continue merrily along as if the whole world will cater to their wishes. I'm not much of a caterer.

Want me to keep something between us? Ask me if I will BEFORE you tell me or deal with the consequences you have brought by not asking first.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Want me to keep something between us? Ask me if I will BEFORE you tell me or deal with the consequences you have brought by not asking first.

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This is exactly my stance, and if I don't make sure (even if it seems like a no-brainer) that the other person knows this information is to be kept under strict wraps- I divulge nothing.

On a side note, I see the PM that was posted is no longer on the forum.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

I disagree.

Here's my stance on PM's.

A private message is something sent from one person to another that the sender would like to have seen by the receiver. However, that is based on the presumption that the receiver is willing to do this WITHOUT being asked to do so.

I feel NO obligation to keep anything to myself that I have not said, prior to receiving it, that I will. ASSuming that I will keep a secret without asking me if I will is done at YOUR risk.

People make ASSumptions and then continue merrily along as if the whole world will cater to their wishes. I'm not much of a caterer.

Want me to keep something between us? Ask me if I will BEFORE you tell me or deal with the consequences you have brought by not asking first.

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Originally Posted by Kiyayiya

This is exactly my stance, and if I don't make sure (even if it seems like a no-brainer) that the other person knows this information is to be kept under strict wraps- I divulge nothing.

On a side note, I see the PM that was posted is no longer on the forum.

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While I respect both of your opinions on the issue of PMs, I was addressing the topic as a point of order, not as a point of debate. Should you feel the need to debate your views on Private Messages, I urge you to start a thread in the Off Topic Cafe, where I will happily join in the fun.

I see no need to further derail this thread by discussing the issue here.

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I disagree.

Here's my stance on PM's.

A private message is something sent from one person to another that the sender would like to have seen by the receiver. However, that is based on the presumption that the receiver is willing to do this WITHOUT being asked to do so.

I feel NO obligation to keep anything to myself that I have not said, prior to receiving it, that I will. ASSuming that I will keep a secret without asking me if I will is done at YOUR risk.

People make ASSumptions and then continue merrily along as if the whole world will cater to their wishes. I'm not much of a caterer.

Want me to keep something between us? Ask me if I will BEFORE you tell me or deal with the consequences you have brought by not asking first.

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I do not want to step on your toes, or any other users toes, as this is just simply a personal opinion.

I believe Stina indirectly and even directly stated multiple times that she wished to keep the message sent to Lucille between the two of them. Keeping the message sent private has nothing to do with "catering" to another individual, it is called respect for the sender and that persons' wishes. Even if she didn't ask or state that the two of them keep the message between them, i think it would be clear to the receiver, otherwise Stina would have posted it publicly.

I don't believe it was Lucille's place to make that Private Message public, as i am sure Stina would have if it were necessary. I read over the Private Messages multiple times and i didn't see any information in that PM that was valuable or helpful in any way to the situation at hand. I see malicious intent of some sort on Lucille's part, as nothing was going to be resolved or improved upon by posting that PM, if anything it made the situation worse.

If you would like to call it "keeping a secret", so be it, but It wasn't a "secret" that was going to eat away at Lucille or cause her to feel guilty, so i don't quite understand why she deemed it necessary to cause trouble - And she knew it would just by the statements Stina made in that PM.

Just my two cents.

I apologize Slim, i was typing my response as you submitted yours.

As far as lucille's motives, she's been known to stir the pot, sometimes in a malicious manner.

I don't really care what she does or why she does it.

I was addressing the issue in general, not in the specific. Also, the fact that you did not find anything new in the PM does not mean someone else did not.

This mouse mess is morphing into some sort of soap opra.

Never really liked opra much myself, nor the soaps that so resemble her life.

Whatever casey is, was or will be, her fate is now in her hands. If Stina is cool with things as they now are, then I'm done here. Can't see any reason to continue unless something else goes wrong and Stina needs assistance again.

FWIW, that PM was sent to several people, so it wasn't exactly a private conversation. If this forum is going to delete posts to help others hide the truth, then perhaps it's not the place I thought it was. We shouldn't need to coddle people.

If Lucille hadn't posted it, I had planned to. I don't exactly care for someone coming on here only to whip people up over something, and then telling them to shut up once we start poking into areas they should have known we'd poke. If Elena was such a great help from the beginning, why the need to bring it here, to a forum she never even thinks of otherwise and will probably never be back to until she once again has issues her own mouse community won't step up and stand up against on their own.

I respect you Slim, you know that. But I disagree with the decision to delete a post that has some telling info in it.

YAWN:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolle yes::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Shadera

FWIW, that PM was sent to several people, so it wasn't exactly a private conversation. If this forum is going to delete posts to help others hide the truth, then perhaps it's not the place I thought it was. We shouldn't need to coddle people.

If Lucille hadn't posted it, I had planned to. I don't exactly care for someone coming on here only to whip people up over something, and then telling them to shut up once we start poking into areas they should have known we'd poke. If Elena was such a great help from the beginning, why the need to bring it here, to a forum she never even thinks of otherwise and will probably never be back to until she once again has issues her own mouse community won't step up and stand up against on their own.

I respect you Slim, you know that. But I disagree with the decision to delete a post that has some telling info in it.

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Based on the back ground circumstances that have been shared with me as well, I support Slim's decision to remove the PM. In THIS case, I would have as well, had I been online.

If there's any chance that someone's animals or themselves are at risk by an unstable person, then I will err on the side of conservatism in this case.

Should Stina have sent PM's and expect privacy without first asking if those she PM'd would keep her confidences? Should anyone? No. If anything comes from this - hopefully people will be more cautious about ensuring that information shared privately remains private.

Although, I'd still exercise caution, if I don't know the person I'm confiding in, in real life.

Bottom line - the decision, based on these particular circumstances is not up for debate.

Hi,

Just had to say I don't think the PM actually added anything relevant to the original point of the thread.

It may have added possible drama and gossip but nothing of any actual relevance to the topic. If it had we would probably have let it stand.

ETA - Ninja'd by Robin who explained it better than I did anyway. :ninja:

UPDATE!!! I have my mouse (and her litter) and Casey's buck was sent back with Elena to be given to casey! :D Elena selflessly kept my doe and her litter safe from casey and met with my husband and I today to make the trade :)

On another note....Casey's "antics" have continued.....didn't hear boo from her for a while there....then this pm the 9th in response to my posting photos of the litter I have at home.....

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I haven't heard anything about when you're coming to pick up the doe. . .
Are we still trading mice from your litter (eventually) for her?
And I'm still getting the. . . blue(?) buck from you?

Also, Ann would like to know if it possible for you to pick up a mouse or two, from me, that she would like, so that she can eventually pick them up from you.

Let me know.
Thanks.

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:rofl:........are we still trading???!!!....are you freaking kidding me.....HECK NO! NOT A CHANCE IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!! First of all you can't trade something that NEVER BELONGED TO YOU in the first place.......second, I never offered a "trade".....I made a peace offering initially when the mouse was first taken saying casey could have a couple doe babies....this was before most of the insanity ensued and was purely an effort to settle things peacefully. That offer was declined by casey....who wouldn't even acknowledge it really....but now all of the sudden that was the arrangement???? I don't think so. I chose not to respond to the pm.....hubby and I had plans with elena to get the doe and her litter (along with a foster doe for some of the bubs and 2 mice for other people as well)...however elena would not have been able to take casey's buck at that time (we would have been meeting her on route to someplace she couldn't take any mice), so unless casey came and got the buck herself, I am planning on seeing elena around the 4th of july and would have given casey her buck then. I want to emphasize that casey has made NO effort WHATSOEVER to make anything right here.......to donate any gas money, to do any driving, she did nothing but give the doe to elena and issue her "apologies." Yesterday I recieved this pm from Casey......

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My understanding is that Elena is bringing you your doe, and our litter, this weekend?

I mentioned to Elena the possibility of keeping a doe from this litter behind, so I am not left empty handed, because it makes me uncomfortable that I'm not going to have anything until July 4th. I can foster it to another mouse.

Please let me know what's going on.

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:rofl:....OUR litter??? I think not. Uncomfortable???....kiss my tooshie. This pm, with casey's clear beliefs that she is still somehow entitled to any of these mice, made ME so uncomfortable (not with elena....who directed casey to speak to me, since the mice did not belong to her...but with the idea that casey may do something ridiculous to get some of the bubs) that we scrapped the weekend's plan (which would have had us meeting elena an hour from our home) to instead drive up to Canandaigua and meet Elena who drove down to meet us (THANK YOU AGAIN ELENA) today to get MY mice and get casey's buck en route to her. Now it is over and done. The mice are where they belong finally! I am SO happy to be done with this!!

Elena you are the best and I am FOREVER grateful!!

Wow, well I am glad you got your mouse and all the babies. Lets see the little ones!

We're at the lake (and exhausted) at the moment...but I will get some after we get home tomorrow :) In the meantime....here's a pic from several days ago of the litter I have from the doe I already had at home!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7217/7...776b50c7_z.jpg
F1 Abyssinian Babies by CSBeck, on Flickr

Glad things worked out for you.

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Uhmm :confused:

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Originally Posted by Stina

We're at the lake (and exhausted) at the moment...but I will get some after we get home tomorrow :) In the meantime....here's a pic from several days ago of the litter I have from the doe I already had at home!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7217/7...776b50c7_z.jpg
F1 Abyssinian Babies by CSBeck, on Flickr

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Congratulations on finally getting what was rightfully yours!

It was a joke don't get scared.


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Originally Posted by Mrl249

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Suggesting an illegal activity is not a joking matter on this Forum.

What litter? Was the doe pregnant after all? Surprise.... wonder how many babies stayed behind unacknowledged....

I'm glad you have your doe back and the buck is where he belongs.

I'm also glad you don't want to go back to dealing with Casey. Too bad so many other people still see nothing wrong in doing deals with her.

Theresa, there were 13 babies that were had in Elena's possession ...I'd be very surprised if there were any to have been left behind (the doe I have at home had 8 and I believe they are siblings)! Elena would have happily given her to me before the litter was born if we'd been able to make it up sooner, it just didn't work out on our end. Elena even offered to (and did) cull a couple of her own litters so that the aby bubs could be split up and fostered to other does so there were not too many on one mother and to avoid having to cull any aby's (we prefer to keep no more than 6 bubs to a doe). One of the foster mom's wasn't doing a very good job, and the bubs started falling behind and getting thin, so she spread those bubs back to mom and the other foster mom and allowed me to take her doe temporarily to finish raising the litter.

Congrats on getting your doe ( and litter - Surprise, surprise...I knew Casey had to be waiting for something...:rolleyes: )! What an amazing litter too! Sounds like you've got a great couple of does on your hands. Glad everything worked out for you!

Aww, they are adorable!! I would love to have one :)

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Alright Gentlemen - I'm going to lock this thread momentarily - and move this off topic chatter to QT where you can duke it out. :cool: Hang tight!

Thread is now re-opened. The BP.net "Fight Club" thread is now in Quarantine. Any further interpersonal insults thrown between members in THIS thread will be infracted and removed without warning.

If you do not have access to Quarantine Room - you will need to PM a member of the Admin staff (name in red) to request access.

Got some pics last night! Didn't take anyone out of the cage (and didn't get pics of the rest of the litter under the foster mom) though as I didn't want to stress anyone out too much after the big move!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7104/7...3fd0bc53_z.jpg
F1 UK Bubs! by CSBeck, on Flickr
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5234/7...b06172cd_z.jpg
F1 UK Bubs! by CSBeck, on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7090/7...ec0e19e1_z.jpg
F1 UK Bubs! by CSBeck, on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7219/7...5eaf0c42_z.jpg
F1 UK Bubs! by CSBeck, on Flickr

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Originally Posted by Stina

Got some pics last night! Didn't take anyone out of the cage (and didn't get pics of the rest of the litter under the foster mom) though as I didn't want to stress anyone out too much after the big move!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7104/7...3fd0bc53_z.jpg
F1 UK Bubs! by CSBeck, on Flickr
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5234/7...b06172cd_z.jpg
F1 UK Bubs! by CSBeck, on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7090/7...ec0e19e1_z.jpg
F1 UK Bubs! by CSBeck, on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7219/7...5eaf0c42_z.jpg
F1 UK Bubs! by CSBeck, on Flickr

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They are so cute! Almost makes me want one.

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They are ADORABLE. I want one now. :D Or two. Haha.

This litter came from a male with whom you don't own? If so, congrats on the even better genetic diversity!

Cute little things!

Correct...I do not own the male...I was not given a choice on the individuals I recieved. I was not able to go to the airport, so casey chose the ones she wanted to take and left me with her "rejects." I have no idea how good her choices were though. All of the abys shipped in were siblings anyway...so not really much in the way of genetic diversity. But **shrug** I'm just happy I have my girl and her litter :) Had she been here all along she'd have had a litter from buck I was given.