Hybrid talk

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Nearly all colubrid hybrids I know of are fertile.

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I was referring to something like a burm/ball mix.

The only issue I see with hybrids is what everyone else has pointed out, transparency with the breeder so the customer knows what they are actually getting. To me a hybrid snake is no different than any other crossed animal that is generally accepted (wolf hybrid). To say that every hybrid is an abomination is a little excessive. Especially from a reptile standpoint where animals are selectively bred and crossed to make pretty colors. Now before everyone goes off on that statement, I know that breeding for colors is not the same as mixing species, but how is a perfectly healthy hybrid an abomination that shouldn't be bred, when the spider gene is known to have neurological issues and continues to be produced on massive scales? Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

Food for thought. Hybrids do occur in nature and they can be quite successful. If you are Caucasian you are carrying neanderthal genes. If you are Asian you are carrying Denesovan genes. If you happen to be one of my children you are carrying Neanderthal and Denesovan genes. Most of the surviving genus Homo are hybrids. For me to state that I am against hybridization would be hypocritical.

That said, to sell a hybrid as anything other than a hybrid would be unethical however to make them is not.

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Humans are the same species, no matter the race. So to say that a black guy getting together with a Asian is a hybrid is actually wrong. It is no different then true red tail boas... they are just from different localities and because of that they look different. But when you go to breeder, ask for a red tail boa, those with an untrained eye may have no clue if they are buying a BCI, BCC or a mixture of both.

I remember they very first time I was going to buy a pet snake. I was looking at jungle corns. I did not realize that a jungle corn is a mixture between a corn snake and a king snake. The issue when it come to this hybridization is that you will not know if they have they attitude of the docile corn snake or the hungry, eager, snappy king snake. They may look pretty and "natural" but hybrids tend to have a crazy attitude that makes them very unpredictable.

If people want to mix species then all the power to them, but it is definitely not something I would do or buy.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Nearly all colubrid hybrids I know of are fertile.

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And BP Hybrids are known to be fertile as well.

We now have the

Superball F2 generation which is Superball x Superball pairing

The Mongrel

Angry Ball

The Albino Burmball from Burmball Het Albino X Burmball Het Albino

And before too long we will have the same issue than we have had with Colubrids.

A spider ball python could not exist in the wild. They would soon die off because of their inability to feed, they simply couldn't consistently enough hit a rat on their first strike to survive.
But we are in controlled environments, with a keeper holding a thawed rat steady a spider can survive in captivity fine, we don't know if they live an ideal life or if they're constantly tormented by it but yet we continue to breed them. WE make them

As long as you are selling animals for what they are and informing buyers of everything I don't see a problem with hybrids, why not experiment and try new things? Why can't we play 'God'

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Originally Posted by BCS

Humans are the same species, no matter the race. So to say that a black guy getting together with a Asian is a hybrid is actually wrong. It is no different then true red tail boas... they are just from different localities and because of that they look different. But when you go to breeder, ask for a red tail boa, those with an untrained eye may have no clue if they are buying a BCI, BCC or a mixture of both.

I remember they very first time I was going to buy a pet snake. I was looking at jungle corns. I did not realize that a jungle corn is a mixture between a corn snake and a king snake. The issue when it come to this hybridization is that you will not know if they have they attitude of the docile corn snake or the hungry, eager, snappy king snake. They may look pretty and "natural" but hybrids tend to have a crazy attitude that makes them very unpredictable.

If people want to mix species then all the power to them, but it is definitely not something I would do or buy.

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You aren't understanding what Jodan is saying. Neanderthals are a different species. They are not homo sapiens. Yet we as humans retain a certain amount of DNA from the hybridizing of Neanderthal and cro-magnon man.

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Originally Posted by CantHelpIt

A spider ball python could not exist in the wild. They would soon die off because of their inability to feed, they simply couldn't consistently enough hit a rat on their first strike to survive.

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Where do you think the first Spider came from? :confusd:

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Originally Posted by CantHelpIt

A spider ball python could not exist in the wild. They would soon die off because of their inability to feed, they simply couldn't consistently enough hit a rat on their first strike to survive.

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The first spider ball WAS a a wild caught import as are ALL other morphs that we see today, if I remember correctly I believe it was also imported as an adult so it had obviously been doing fine in the wild.

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Originally Posted by JoshSloane

No offense intended, just a figure of speech.

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No Worries

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Originally Posted by BCS

If people want to mix species then all the power to them, but it is definitely not something I would do or buy.

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Amen

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Originally Posted by CantHelpIt

A spider ball python could not exist in the wild.

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Bovine Feces!

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Originally Posted by CantHelpIt

WE make them

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NATURE made the first ones, wonky brains and all. And, do you think some snake wrangler in Togo found the first and ONLY Spider to ever come out of an egg? Hardly the case.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

Hybrids do occur in nature and they can be quite successful.

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I totally agree! If an Angolan Python and a Ball Python want to hook up in the wild and get their freak on, I have ZERO issue with what ever comes out of those eggs. But, I have ZERO time for unnatural hybridization like Burm Balls, Green Tree Balls, Af Rock Balls, Carpet Balls, Children's Balls, Retic Balls, Peanut Butter Balls, Spit Balls, Deez Balls, Salty Balls or any other kind of Balls that you would never find in an manipulated environment.

Lol this is better then I thought but yes it is a big difference I was just using ball pythons as examples because we are taking morphs and mashing them together when in reality in it would be a very very slim chance 2 morphs would meet but like they're are places were certain python species do over lap but have not been any recorded hybrids but also I'm not planning on breeding hybrids just sorta wanting to know more about them as I may have a clutch coming that was accidental and in my opinion I love them some look super cool as for continuing breeding to others I'd never do that Strickly pet/show only but I'm different a snakes a snake I love all oh yea I was also doing reading why does no one care about the diamond X coastal carpet python hybrids I love pure diamonds but hate hybrids

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