Hybrid talk

[Stewart_Reptiles]

The problem for me is not the hybrid as much as it is the ethic of breeding hybrids.

Imagine 3, 5, 10 generations from now when someone buys a BP, Carpet etc or so they thought but the animal is just the result of several generation of hybridization and is not pure, that to me is where the issue lies and we have already seen that issue in Colubrids.

Now if you breed BP no matter what the paint job at the end of the day it is still a BP.

So the ethic and honesty of the breeder is really the bigger issue here when it comes to hybrids.

[Slim]

Man, if you think that a hybrid in the animal breeding world is an abomination, then you better never own a domesticated dog

1) Don't tell me what I better never do.

Yes, all dogs are the same species

2) This ^^^^ Selective breeding is one thing. We do that now with all domesticated species. What I don't approve of is trying to create BabyPuppyMonkey...

[JodanOrNoDan]

Food for thought. Hybrids do occur in nature and they can be quite successful. If you are Caucasian you are carrying neanderthal genes. If you are Asian you are carrying Denesovan genes. If you happen to be one of my children you are carrying Neanderthal and Denesovan genes. Most of the surviving genus Homo are hybrids. For me to state that I am against hybridization would be hypocritical.

That said, to sell a hybrid as anything other than a hybrid would be unethical however to make them is not.

[PitOnTheProwl]

So the ethic and honesty of the breeder is really the bigger issue here when it comes to hybrids.

Sadly this doesn't exist in the reptile world as much as it should.

[JoshSloane]

1) Don't tell me what I better never do.




2) This ^^^^ Selective breeding is one thing. We do that now with all domesticated species. What I don't approve of is trying to create BabyPuppyMonkey...

No offense intended, just a figure of speech.

[JoshSloane]

Food for thought. Hybrids do occur in nature and they can be quite successful. If you are Caucasian you are carrying neanderthal genes. If you are Asian you are carrying Denesovan genes. If you happen to be one of my children you are carrying Neanderthal and Denesovan genes. Most of the surviving genus Homo are hybrids. For me to state that I am against hybridization would be hypocritical.

That said, to sell a hybrid as anything other than a hybrid would be unethical however to make them is not.

Right you are! Most multicellular organisms are a hodgepodge of genetics and recombination over millions of years of evolution.

[PitOnTheProwl]

What I don't approve of is trying to create BabyPuppyMonkey...

Now I kind of want one................

[MarkS]

The problem for me is not the hybrid as much as it is the ethic of breeding hybrids.

Imagine 3, 5, 10 generations from now when someone buys a BP, Carpet etc or so they thought but the animal is just the result of several generation of hybridization and is not pure, that to me is where the issue lies and we have already seen that issue in Colubrids.

Now if you breed BP no matter what the paint job at the end of the day it is still a BP.

So the ethic and honesty of the breeder is really the bigger issue here when it comes to hybrids.

^^^^^^ exactly this.

I've been stung before by picking up a pair of 'interesting looking eastern pine snakes' which actually turned out to be a pine snake/bull snake hybrid. These two species are very close and some even consider them subspecies but when I bred this pair together the babies were all over the place color wise, body shape wise, head shape wise or size wise. And there was no consistency between any of the siblings. This can be very frustrating to a breeder. There is no way you can get something like this to 'breed true'

[JoshSloane]

Many hybrids are infertile, so the effects they could have on propogating lines is nil.

From another perspective, increasing genetic diversity in a population is usually always a positive influence. We know that hybrid vigor allows an inbred population the ability to withstand disease better. Might help with all respiratory infection/non-feeding BP posts.

[MarkS]

Nearly all colubrid hybrids I know of are fertile.