Dealing with suspicious breeders

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Originally Posted by threezero

I had high hopes in breeding bp... Now not so much...

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Wouldn't let one bad experience ruin your plans. Personally this is why I mostly like to go with the big names BHB, royal constrictor designs for instance. You never hear about issues like this and if there are issues they handle them correctly fast.

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Originally Posted by threezero

It may or may not have exist. He send he has picture of the dead snake. Which I request for him
To sent... I have never deal with situation like this but does other legitimate breeders refund customer when something like this happens? What to know if it's the norm of the industry to deny refund and blame customers? This is the first time I have deal with something like this. Usually complaints on a forum get a company attention and they try to make right, I have never encounter situation where complaining means I will not get customer service (according to Chris I have lost this right when I started complaining and outing him)

I had high hopes in breeding bp... Now not so much...

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Heck no this is not the norm or by any means acceptable. As a future breeder I will without a doubt take care of my customer first, even if it means that I take a loss. If I was in his shoes I'd refund the customer their money ASAP, apologize profusely for the accidental death, and quite possibly offer a free snake for all the trouble. The good guys in this hobby strive to make their customers happy.

It's not your fault the snake died, it's his, and it should be at his expense not yours. Shipping should of happened as soon as it was safe to ship. Excellent customer service is getting everything geared and boxed up as soon as requested (as long as it's a good shipping day). When I bought my pastel ax girl (from a small time breeder) she was shipped out the day I made payment. My piebald girl (from an even smaller time breeder) was shipped the following day. I've even had Garrick hold onto my silverstreak girl for a few weeks and as soon as I was able to receive her he shipped. This guy your dealing with has been making excuse after excuse.

Honestly stop giving this guy a chance. Get him where it hurts, his wallet. File the police report and start the court process. Scums like this should not get away with this. I don't care if he ends up producing the snake you wanted, his time is long gone for that. If he cared about making it right, he'd come up with that money for a refund. I think it's ridiculous when breeders spend the money they received before the customer gets their snake. That should be no excuse and not your problem either.

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Originally Posted by threezero

It may or may not have exist. He send he has picture of the dead snake. Which I request for him
To sent... I have never deal with situation like this but does other legitimate breeders refund customer when something like this happens? What to know if it's the norm of the industry to deny refund and blame customers?...

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Not if you are dealing with someone that is honest. Dont let one scumbag get you down. I know it is a lot of money and it sucks. The biggest problem you will have in court is the waiting so long to file and now you want to wait some more with false hopes that this guy can pull a purple polka dotted unicorn out of his hind end.
I wouldnt wait or do further business with him.
Glad he is up there in Canada and not here in Texas........ he wouldnt be around long here.

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Originally Posted by threezero

It may or may not have exist. He send he has picture of the dead snake. Which I request for him
To sent... I have never deal with situation like this but does other legitimate breeders refund customer when something like this happens? What to know if it's the norm of the industry to deny refund and blame customers? This is the first time I have deal with something like this. Usually complaints on a forum get a company attention and they try to make right, I have never encounter situation where complaining means I will not get customer service (according to Chris I have lost this right when I started complaining and outing him)

I had high hopes in breeding bp... Now not so much...

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This sounds like a bully tactic. I honestly don't understand why you are still even negotiating him. Everyone on here has given you great advice, POST UP ON THE BOI and start the police claim as well as contacting paypal etc. Take screen shots of your emails and post them directly up so its not a battle of hes said this and this. If you feel like taking his work, which at this point has proven to be worth nothing then thats your choice, but I for the life of me can't figure out why you are waiting for his clutch to be born...He doesn't get to dictacte when customer service goes out the window. Absolutely rediculous.

I for one certainly wouldn't be giving him another chance. He won't give you back your money, claims that he "knows" he will get the snake you want (Total lie BTW - it's IMPOSSIBLE to know what you will or won't get from a clutch. He could get all normals even if he breeds two three gene animals together. It's just odds and chance), and has been lying and giving excuses from the get go. You need to stop dealing with him, and take him to court. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. I wouldn't allow him to bully me into waiting. You ABSOLUTELY have the right to your money back, and the right to take him to court to make him give it back. Stop listening to him, and take his sorry self to court. Hurt him in the wallet - where he is doing his best to hurt you. The difference between him and you? You actually have the right to hurt him in the wallet because he has been doing fraudulent transactions with you. Go talk to a lawyer, and stop talking to Chris.

Looks like he had an old thread on the BOI from 2012: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=omega+pythons

Sounds like he's still using the same bullying and scare tactics. I really think you're being far too generous by agreeing to let him breed you another snake.

You should call PayPal for sure. Do it now, will make it slightly more easy on you. Fight him for your money back, don't delay any further. Get your money back and look elsewhere, just don't give up on bp breeding (unless its for boa breeding lol)!!!

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Originally Posted by threezero

It may or may not have exist. He send he has picture of the dead snake. Which I request for him
To sent... I have never deal with situation like this but does other legitimate breeders refund customer when something like this happens? What to know if it's the norm of the industry to deny refund and blame customers?

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If the customer cancels a transaction halfway through a payment plan then it's not unusual for the seller to give a refund less a non-refundable deposit of anywhere from 10-25% of the purchase price. This is usually agreed upon up front or stated in the seller's terms of service or sales agreement.

If the customer demands that the seller ship in unsafe conditions, then understandably the seller should say "No, you need to wait." At that point if the customer demands a refund then the seller is also entitled to the non-refundable deposit.

However, if the customer has paid in full, waited for safe shipping weather and the seller's convenience for receipt of the snake, and the seller can no longer provide the snake, then there is no reason not to expect a full refund.

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Originally Posted by hypnotixdmp

You should call PayPal for sure. Do it now, will make it slightly more easy on you. Fight him for your money back, don't delay any further. Get your money back and look elsewhere, just don't give up on bp breeding (unless its for boa breeding lol)!!!

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Paypal doesn't provide buyer protection with live animals. Also the 45 days is way past up. If she had paid with a credit card through paypal she'd be able to maybe dispute with the credit card company.

I would still call PayPal and see if they can point you in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by OsirisRa32

In most states in the United States at least the amount in question would raise it OUT of small claims court...

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Well it does not in Canada where both the buyer and seller are located.

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Originally Posted by Rob

Wouldn't let one bad experience ruin your plans. Personally this is why I mostly like to go with the big names BHB, royal constrictor designs for instance. You never hear about issues like this and if there are issues they handle them correctly fast.

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lol...there once was a guy named Adam on this forum...

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Originally Posted by sho220

lol...there once was a guy named Adam on this forum...

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And yes there are very good people on here to do business with, including YOU! Lol


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Even if the buyer proceeded with the transaction via his/her bank account directly (cant remember all the details...remember reading part of the payment was through paypal)...you should at least contact your personal bank and start claim proceedings there too.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Well it does not in Canada where both the buyer and seller are located.

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Well I unintentionally provided inaccurate info with that previous statement of mine anyways so consider it retracted

Also, consider gathering the other BOI's and evidence substantiation your claims and forward this info to Grant Crossman.
I have seen Omega Pythons at the CRBE/Reptile Expo's in Toronto.
I can't see Mr. Crossman allowing this person to continue having vendor tables at his events and potentially giving a series of great herp expos a bad name.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Glad he is up there in Canada and not here in Texas........ he wouldnt be around long here.

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Amen to that!

so, an update to this story. just receive this boy from Chris today. instead of resending me an enchi fire yb, he send me this enchi fire super stripe instead.

snake is healthy, beautiful and in shed in fact. i did not walk way satisfy with Chris's customer service however he did sent me a more expensive snake(by last year's standard) so i will let this photo conclude this thread. Thanks everyone for the input and support. off to feeding up my babies and try breeding new season!

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Glad to see you did get something for your hard earned money.
Sorry you didn't get what you wanted and got stuck with yet another deadbeat breeder.
I just don't see how some of these guys keep their doors open??

I've told a few local big breeders here about him, and they all laughed and said "we know we dont do business with him we only sell him things for him to attempt to flip and claimed he hatched them" IF you go to Reptilescanada, you can leave him negative feed back regardless, you spent 2400$ on nothing, This snake has another year, and your value has dropped significantly, Even with that snake sent he should have at least given you 50% back. Anyways good luck with him hopefully he works out.