Thinking of stepping away from balls.

totally agree, respect is all I am suggesting.

I also believe in equality, if others are free to express their opinion than so am I.

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But I do agree, it's getting carried away and I may have pushed more than I needed to. For that I apologize. ChrisS, sorry that I participated in the thread hijack LOL, that wasn't my intention.

Cheers,
Chris.

Can we please keep this on topic as per the OP's request? The hijacking had been dead for nearly a day now...

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ChrisS, other than corns and kings, is there anything your interested in working with?

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ChrisS, other than corns and kings, is there anything your interested in working with?

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Sure there are a ton of other species I would like to work with, some which will probably never happen, but I'll share them with you. I'll put an asterisk by the ones that will never happen. King rats, coachwhips, bull snakes, leopard geckos (again), canebrakes*, beaded lizards, retic morphs*, womas, blackheads, milk snakes, bloods*, GTP, children's pythons, ATB, locale boas, and maybe a couple different Ts. Of most on the list I'll never pursue full blown breeding project, either just one or a pair. I think for now I'm going to start with corns and see where things go from there.

why will bloods never happen? lol

All of those sound awesome, my business partner keeps the bloods, and frankly they scare the crap out of me. It's cool to see all the new mutations coming out of them. I wanted to play with Reticulated Pythons myself but city by-laws ban them. Maybe in the future. I think kings are friggen awesome too!

Personally my dream project would be Angolan's but I can't seem to get my hands on any :(.

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Sure there are a ton of other species I would like to work with, some which will probably never happen, but I'll share them with you. I'll put an asterisk by the ones that will never happen. King rats, coachwhips, bull snakes, leopard geckos (again), canebrakes*, beaded lizards, retic morphs*, womas, blackheads, milk snakes, bloods*, GTP, children's pythons, ATB, locale boas, and maybe a couple different Ts. Of most on the list I'll never pursue full blown breeding project, either just one or a pair. I think for now I'm going to start with corns and see where things go from there.

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ATB's are sweet. I wanna get a pair. I say go for ATB's and just give me you bps haha :D

Also BCI's are cool too. I wanna get one of them.

I'm also curious Chris, why not bloods? Also, and I may have mentioned this to you already, but one of my professors at KU, George Pisani, has done research showing that the canebrake isn't a true subspecies. Either way, two of the species that you say you'd like but won't ever work with (bloods and Crotalus horridus) are snakes that I have worked/will work with. So also why not a nice fat TR (timber)?

I think BCI's are fun, but that's just my 2 cents. The bloods look cool, I have just heard they don't have the best personalities.

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I'm also curious Chris, why not bloods? Also, and I may have mentioned this to you already, but one of my professors at KU, George Pisani, has done research showing that the canebrake isn't a true subspecies. Either way, two of the species that you say you'd like but won't ever work with (bloods and Crotalus horridus) are snakes that I have worked/will work with. So also why not a nice fat TR (timber)?

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No bloods because I promised my gf for my son's sake that I would work with any aggressive or dangerous animals. And I feel bloods fall into both categories. That's also why no hots. Once he is grown depending on my collection at that time things may change for bloods but probably not hots. I do occasionally help one of my friends with his hots. Yes we have talked about the scientific studies to show no genetic separation between canebrakes and timbers. I still think its a color phase at the vary least.

i really want ATB's! i prefer them over the GTP's.

Thanks for explaining, and I don't disagree with the canebrake statement. It's just like okeetee corns I'd say.

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i really want ATB's! i prefer them over the GTP's.

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They are both awesome in their own right. It would really depend on the individual snake between them. I think my next species after corns is going to be womas. I'd do blackheads but they are Expensive!

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Thanks for explaining, and I don't disagree with the canebrake statement. It's just like okeetee corns I'd say.

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Yea, exactly like okeetees.

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i really want ATB's! i prefer them over the GTP's.

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You should get some!

I love the halloween phase ones!

Aggressive and Dangerous is the criteria? I fail to see how that makes much sense. I'm going to be blunt- but if you want to group an entire species/type of snake as "aggressive" or "dangerous" based on reputation you have no business owning animals, let alone reptiles. That's like the idea that pitbulls are dangerous just because of a few bad cases- when in reality you're in more danger from most spaniel breeds.

How are bloods dangerous? Do tell me, how are they "aggressive". I've had several bloods, none of which were dangerous or aggressive. Snappy as babies- but then again a lot of baby snakes are snappy. I've had corns, rats, and balls more aggressive than a lot of bloods I've worked with. Crossing off retics completely? You do know dwarves and super dwarves are out there right? Considering a proper SD retic is far less dangerous than a boa.

You should do some reading and educating. I trust myself and my fiance around my big 16' male retic more than I trust them around most balls/corns out there. It's all up to the individual animal, not an entire species.

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no to what?

I agree with what he said, minus the holier-than-thou tone and rudeness lol.

I wouldnt cross of bloods bc ive heard of plenty that are tame. The only reason i would say no to any type of retics is bc of their aggressive feeding responses. (Im fairly certain most retics have it). Retics of all sizes are very handeable once out of the cage but can be cage aggressive.

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no to what?

I agree with what he said, minus the holier-than-thou tone and rudeness lol.

I wouldnt cross of bloods bc ive heard of plenty that are tame. The only reason i would say no to any type of retics is bc of their aggressive feeding responses. (Im fairly certain most retics have it). Retics of all sizes are very handeable once out of the cage but can be cage aggressive.

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Do you keep retics and have extensive hands on time with the species? I have a couple retics that have very low feeding responses. As for cage aggression, it depends what you deem as cage aggression. Frankly, I hook train all my snakes, tap them a couple times with the hook to let them know it's time to come out. It's an amazing practice that if used would eliminate so many bites in the hobby. Can I reach into any of my retics enclosures without tapping them first? Yep. Will I get bitten? Probably not. Do I chance it or would I chance it with any snake regardless of size? No. Why risk injury to yourself and the snake that isn't needed.

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Do you keep retics and have extensive hands on time with the species? I have a couple retics that have very low feeding responses. As for cage aggression, it depends what you deem as cage aggression. Frankly, I hook train all my snakes, tap them a couple times with the hook to let them know it's time to come out. It's an amazing practice that if used would eliminate so many bites in the hobby. Can I reach into any of my retics enclosures without tapping them first? Yep. Will I get bitten? Probably not. Do I chance it or would I chance it with any snake regardless of size? No. Why risk injury to yourself and the snake that isn't needed.

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Nah i dont. Never even held one before. Thats why i said "im fairly certain". Theres a reason i didnt speak in an absolute tone. :rolleyes:

Chris,

I really wanted a blood as a pet, but heard about their horrible personality. I finally found my female and she was advertised as being very docile and wow what a sweetheart she is!

Just saying don't write them all off because I am sure there are more out there like my "Jilly bean".

I'm not saying no, I'm shaking my head at someone's need for confrontation LOL. And the attitude. I couldn't find a head shake emoticon LOL

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I'm not saying no, I'm shaking my head at someone's need for confrontation LOL. And the attitude. I couldn't find a head shake emoticon LOL

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Ahhh in that case... Agreed.

What they need is a troll emoticon lol.

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Aggressive and Dangerous is the criteria? I fail to see how that makes much sense. I'm going to be blunt- but if you want to group an entire species/type of snake as "aggressive" or "dangerous" based on reputation you have no business owning animals, let alone reptiles. That's like the idea that pitbulls are dangerous just because of a few bad cases- when in reality you're in more danger from most spaniel breeds.

How are bloods dangerous? Do tell me, how are they "aggressive". I've had several bloods, none of which were dangerous or aggressive. Snappy as babies- but then again a lot of baby snakes are snappy. I've had corns, rats, and balls more aggressive than a lot of bloods I've worked with. Crossing off retics completely? You do know dwarves and super dwarves are out there right? Considering a proper SD retic is far less dangerous than a boa.

You should do some reading and educating. I trust myself and my fiance around my big 16' male retic more than I trust them around most balls/corns out there. It's all up to the individual animal, not an entire species.

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Yes I do have criteria, such as dangerous and aggressive. And I'll be blunt, I have a 2 year old child that is more important to me than any snake so yes I will lump the species in that category and not take a chance. I am not condemning others who keep the species nor am I saying that all fit the mold.

And I yes I wrote off retics because of their size. And yes I am well aware of dwarfs and sd's. And you really trust a 16' snake over a corn? Wow and to quote you,"I fail to see how that makes much sense."

I'm sorry I am not keeping the animals you are keeping and want me to keep. So grow up and realize this is my decision not yours. And do me a favor next time you decide you are going to tell me I shouldn't be keeping animals delete what you have typed pull your head out of your ass and go post somewhere else. I'm tired of reading your nonsense.

Oh, and one other thing I'd like to add. Quit making analogies to other animals. Reptiles are not fish, dogs, cats, birds, or even horses (Mike), they are reptiles. Now go make yourself a TV dinner since you need something challenging in your life.

Sorry that this can't just stay on track and be a helpful, friendly thread. Also, you beat me to what I was going to say about trusting a 16' snake over a corn. Trust or not, a corn or ball can't kill you. As one of my uncles always says, you just can't fix stupid. I think it applies here!

I heard the H-word im outta here! :O

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Sorry that this can't just stay on track and be a helpful, friendly thread. Also, you beat me to what I was going to say about trusting a 16' snake over a corn. Trust or not, a corn or ball can't kill you. As one of my uncles always says, you just can't fix stupid. I think it applies here!

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No worries brother, I truly believe that MMReptiles thinks he's contributing in a positive way and doesn't realize he rubs people the wrong way. I think he's so used to people condemning bigs snakes and their keepers he has to jump to their defense on every front. And I do believe that's all his last post was about but it really pushed my buttons when he said I shouldn't be keeping animals.

Posts like his just grind my gears (Peter - "You know what really grinds my gears?"). LOL Yeah, I'm with you on that, but I don't see how he can honestly believe that he is giving any sort of positive input. My take on it is that he is just a bitter person who thinks they're better than other people because he is more experience in other things. It's like an uppity (spelling?) liberal arts major who knows a little about a lot of things but a lot about nothing. Jack of all trades, master of none, you know?

So I've decided that I'm going to get a 2012 female oliv python hatchling. How do you feel about those guys?

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No worries brother, I truly believe that MMReptiles thinks he's contributing in a positive way and doesn't realize he rubs people the wrong way. I think he's so used to people condemning bigs snakes and their keepers he has to jump to their defense on every front. And I do believe that's all his last post was about but it really pushed my buttons when he said I shouldn't be keeping animals.

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Here's the miracle- I do rub people the wrong way. I am an arrogant person that's full of himself. News flash champ- I don't care. I'm posting my opinion on a public forum. You don't think I don't understand your feelings about your 2 year old? I do. Fact is, you're judging animals based on nothing but reputations- which is exactly what most reptile keepers HATE. Do you know how many times I have people come into work and tell me I'm crazy for having a 16 foot python in my living room. When I volunteer to use him in demonstrations- people tell me he's going to eat children. Do you know how hard people like me work to show the general public that most of the claims about reptiles being mean/biting are based on nothing but ignorance and mental retardation.

Fact is, I've been bitten by more corn snakes and ball pythons than I have any other type of snake. I've lost more blood to corns and balls than anything else. You can make your choices, respect my right to call your choices ignorant, stupid, and frankly- you should stay away from this hobby as you do nothing but promote negative thinking about these animals that some of us work so hard to give a better reputation.

Yes, I do believe you should not keep animals. You do nothing but give them a bad reputation. I could see you on animal planet advocating stricter laws and telling people in the pet shop "man, get a ball python cuz that blood might bite you!". Also, yes- I do trust my 16' male tiger retic over most corn snakes I've been around. He's docile, doesn't give a damn about anything, and is incredibly docile. He's never snapped at me, never given me fits- even when I'm holding him taking off a stuck eye cap or checking his mouth. Even when I smell like rabbit, he never gives me grief.

I don't care if you don't want to keep the same species as me. I care about your ignorance and negativity to the hobby. You're tacky.

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I think bloods get a bad name from nippy babies, and that wild caught ones are more "aggressive" for obvious reasons. My albino Sumatran is a sweetheart, and though my Sumatran short tail went through a drama queen stage of striking and lunging with some more work I put into her she's really turning around. I don't think anyone should write off any species totally unless they've worked/handled some before, since some individuals can surprise you and really change your mind about the general consensus of the species. Though of course if you don't like this particular species for this or that that's not wrong either: I don't care for Annie's faces but I still think they're nice animals :) And though I read that Hog noses and sand boas make for wonderful pets I have no intention of ever owning them, simply because I have other interests elsewhere.
As for balls, I adore them and all mine are strictly pets right now, and that's fine by me (Heck, almost ALL of my snakes right now will be forever pets!). Though I have to say I love variety, and that's why I have many different species right now.

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Here's the miracle- I do rub people the wrong way. I am an arrogant person that's full of himself. News flash champ- I don't care. I'm posting my opinion on a public forum. You don't think I don't understand your feelings about your 2 year old? I do. Fact is, you're judging animals based on nothing but reputations- which is exactly what most reptile keepers HATE. Do you know how many times I have people come into work and tell me I'm crazy for having a 16 foot python in my living room. When I volunteer to use him in demonstrations- people tell me he's going to eat children. Do you know how hard people like me work to show the general public that most of the claims about reptiles being mean/biting are based on nothing but ignorance and mental retardation.

Fact is, I've been bitten by more corn snakes and ball pythons than I have any other type of snake. I've lost more blood to corns and balls than anything else. You can make your choices, respect my right to call your choices ignorant, stupid, and frankly- you should stay away from this hobby as you do nothing but promote negative thinking about these animals that some of us work so hard to give a better reputation.

Yes, I do believe you should not keep animals. You do nothing but give them a bad reputation. I could see you on animal planet advocating stricter laws and telling people in the pet shop "man, get a ball python cuz that blood might bite you!". Also, yes- I do trust my 16' male tiger retic over most corn snakes I've been around. He's docile, doesn't give a damn about anything, and is incredibly docile. He's never snapped at me, never given me fits- even when I'm holding him taking off a stuck eye cap or checking his mouth. Even when I smell like rabbit, he never gives me grief.

I don't care if you don't want to keep the same species as me. I care about your ignorance and negativity to the hobby. You're tacky.

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Go away please.

Chris, I hope you find the species that rekindles your scaly passion :)

I actually felt the same at the OP at one time. I always have had my one ball python and took great care of him but just kind of lost the passion. I then picked up a Amel corn and then shortly after that a BCI Boa. Now the passion has returned and I love the BP just like I do the rest. I like variety. Some people like multiple balls and I can understand that also. I just recently picked up a Hypo Boa and another corn. The girlfriend has expressed interest in breeding the corns, now I am wanting to try breeding the balls as well. I don't have a large collection at all, but I have variety to it. I would also like to add a Short tailed python soon as I plan on getting Boaphiles for the Boas and what's another large cage in a stack...

Long story short, I thought about leaving the hobby then found I love having multiple species!

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Here's the miracle- I do rub people the wrong way. I am an arrogant person that's full of himself. News flash champ- I don't care. I'm posting my opinion on a public forum. You don't think I don't understand your feelings about your 2 year old? I do. Fact is, you're judging animals based on nothing but reputations- which is exactly what most reptile keepers HATE. Do you know how many times I have people come into work and tell me I'm crazy for having a 16 foot python in my living room. When I volunteer to use him in demonstrations- people tell me he's going to eat children. Do you know how hard people like me work to show the general public that most of the claims about reptiles being mean/biting are based on nothing but ignorance and mental retardation.

Fact is, I've been bitten by more corn snakes and ball pythons than I have any other type of snake. I've lost more blood to corns and balls than anything else. You can make your choices, respect my right to call your choices ignorant, stupid, and frankly- you should stay away from this hobby as you do nothing but promote negative thinking about these animals that some of us work so hard to give a better reputation.

Yes, I do believe you should not keep animals. You do nothing but give them a bad reputation. I could see you on animal planet advocating stricter laws and telling people in the pet shop "man, get a ball python cuz that blood might bite you!". Also, yes- I do trust my 16' male tiger retic over most corn snakes I've been around. He's docile, doesn't give a damn about anything, and is incredibly docile. He's never snapped at me, never given me fits- even when I'm holding him taking off a stuck eye cap or checking his mouth. Even when I smell like rabbit, he never gives me grief.

I don't care if you don't want to keep the same species as me. I care about your ignorance and negativity to the hobby. You're tacky.

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Hahahaha thanks for the good laugh!! Your great, you should be a comedian. Instead of arguing with you because you never run out of steam I'm going to fuel the fire.

I'm going to continue keeping animals!

I'm still not keeping bloods or retics!

I didn't say I was basing my opinion on all of one species I said for the sake of my child I'm not going to take a chance. I don't care if your snake is "tame". Snakes are wild animals wild a primitive mind. Don't believe me look it up.

You're a wack job who needs to seek counseling to channel your inner anger. Its not healthy to get this worked up over a thread on a "public forum"

And how do you understand my feelings?

If most reptile keepers hate me then why is only you making a big deal... Oh wait I forgot there are no reptile keepers here only bp keepers, which somehow in your eye isn't a reptile.

No I don't know how many times people at your work say you are crazy, but with your posts I'm inclined to agree. Not because of your love of large snakes in my case though.

Oh and one other thing your snake is having no reaction to you messing with his eye thats probably a good indicator he isn't well. Any animal snake or not, if you mess with its eye it's going to react. So you may wanna take your snake to a vet or find someone who can better care for it cause you are too busy worrying about other people.

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Posts like his just grind my gears (Peter - "You know what really grinds my gears?"). LOL Yeah, I'm with you on that, but I don't see how he can honestly believe that he is giving any sort of positive input. My take on it is that he is just a bitter person who thinks they're better than other people because he is more experience in other things. It's like an uppity (spelling?) liberal arts major who knows a little about a lot of things but a lot about nothing. Jack of all trades, master of none, you know?

So I've decided that I'm going to get a 2012 female oliv python hatchling. How do you feel about those guys?

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.I love the family guy reference and totally agree with you.

I think olive pythons are beautiful snakes. As far as me owning one, probably not any time soon. They get around 9 ft. and that's a little bigger than I want to go. Also they are supposed to have an extreme feeding response.

I'm actually looking at white lipped, moluccans and olives right now (all of which range from 7' to 12' or so, however they stay more thin than burms and retics) but am going to start with an olive. Still don't know if I'll want to breed any of them but time will tell I guess. With the 4 female balls and 2 males that I own currently, and the one more female that I want to get, I think I'll be busy enough pimping the females out to the males that I won't need to breed anything else! LOL Do you think you'll end up breeding whatever you end up getting into or do you not know yet?

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Here's the miracle- I do rub people the wrong way. I am an arrogant person that's full of himself. News flash champ- I don't care. I'm posting my opinion on a public forum. You don't think I don't understand your feelings about your 2 year old? I do. Fact is, you're judging animals based on nothing but reputations- which is exactly what most reptile keepers HATE. Do you know how many times I have people come into work and tell me I'm crazy for having a 16 foot python in my living room. When I volunteer to use him in demonstrations- people tell me he's going to eat children. Do you know how hard people like me work to show the general public that most of the claims about reptiles being mean/biting are based on nothing but ignorance and mental retardation.

Fact is, I've been bitten by more corn snakes and ball pythons than I have any other type of snake. I've lost more blood to corns and balls than anything else. You can make your choices, respect my right to call your choices ignorant, stupid, and frankly- you should stay away from this hobby as you do nothing but promote negative thinking about these animals that some of us work so hard to give a better reputation.

Yes, I do believe you should not keep animals. You do nothing but give them a bad reputation. I could see you on animal planet advocating stricter laws and telling people in the pet shop "man, get a ball python cuz that blood might bite you!". Also, yes- I do trust my 16' male tiger retic over most corn snakes I've been around. He's docile, doesn't give a damn about anything, and is incredibly docile. He's never snapped at me, never given me fits- even when I'm holding him taking off a stuck eye cap or checking his mouth. Even when I smell like rabbit, he never gives me grief.

I don't care if you don't want to keep the same species as me. I care about your ignorance and negativity to the hobby. You're tacky.

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He hasn't promoted anything, he doesn't want to keep them because of his own feelings towards them. He hasn't suggested anything negative.. your just picking fights. It's YOU who should stay away from the hobby. How can you argue that a bite from a ball python is the same as a bite from a retic? Is it dangerous to keep big snakes? Not particularly if your experienced enough. Is it more dangerous than keeping a ball python? Absolutely! Arguing otherwise makes YOU, "ignorant and stupid."

You obviously feel that your justified in expressing your point of view but condemn other for there's. There's a word for that.. "Hypocrisy."

So far we're at, Self Righteous AND hypocritical.. well done.

No matter how tame a 16 ft retic is it's still way more dangerous then any ball python. a pissed off ball python trying his damndest couldn't seriously injure you. a calm as can be 16 ft docile retic could seriously injure you by accident. it's like saying your rattlesnake never bites so it's safer to hold then your ball python with an attitude.

Can we stay on topic please!? This is starting to get annoying and I'm not even the OP. Can we all just agree to ignore this ignorant and self proclaimed butthole (but he didn't word it as nicely), if it does in fact post again?

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I'm actually looking at white lipped, moluccans and olives right now (all of which range from 7' to 12' or so, however they stay more thin than burms and retics) but am going to start with an olive. Still don't know if I'll want to breed any of them but time will tell I guess. With the 4 female balls and 2 males that I own currently, and the one more female that I want to get, I think I'll be busy enough pimping the females out to the males that I won't need to breed anything else! LOL Do you think you'll end up breeding whatever you end up getting into or do you not know yet?

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I think white lipped are amazing too. I don't know very much at all about moliccans, but they look awesome. Of the three I agree I'd go with the olive python.

As far as breeding goes for me, probably so. But I doubt on any large scale maybe a clutch or 2 a season, per species. But largely depends on how many different species I get. With the corns I'll probably get 2 pairs, one locale and one morph. Also with womas I'll either get a pair or trio. Gtp will be a pair or trio as well. There are several snakes I'd be happy just having as a pet and never breeding, like coachwhips, atb, red belly snakes, or garters. In the end I think I'll be happy if I have 10 females and about 6 or 7 going a year. I'm going to take some time tomorrow and write down my goals (herp and non herp) for the next 1, 5, and 10 years just to see what I feel is feasible for me.

Right on man, I'll definitely be waiting to see what your list has on it. And now you've given me an idea for a new thread... LOL

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Hahahaha thanks for the good laugh!! Your great, you should be a comedian. Instead of arguing with you because you never run out of steam I'm going to fuel the fire.

I'm going to continue keeping animals!

I'm still not keeping bloods or retics!

I didn't say I was basing my opinion on all of one species I said for the sake of my child I'm not going to take a chance. I don't care if your snake is "tame". Snakes are wild animals wild a primitive mind. Don't believe me look it up.

You're a wack job who needs to seek counseling to channel your inner anger. Its not healthy to get this worked up over a thread on a "public forum"

And how do you understand my feelings?

If most reptile keepers hate me then why is only you making a big deal... Oh wait I forgot there are no reptile keepers here only bp keepers, which somehow in your eye isn't a reptile.

No I don't know how many times people at your work say you are crazy, but with your posts I'm inclined to agree. Not because of your love of large snakes in my case though.

Oh and one other thing your snake is having no reaction to you messing with his eye thats probably a good indicator he isn't well. Any animal snake or not, if you mess with its eye it's going to react. So you may wanna take your snake to a vet or find someone who can better care for it cause you are too busy worrying about other people.

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Lol, why would I take my retic to the vet because he allows me to fix his eye? Man, sorry that your snakes aren't docile and trusting of you like mine. I just ended up getting in a 9-10 foot super tiger with a very bad mouth infection, that I had to spend time every day grabbing him, opening his mouth, and cleaning out bad tissue, cleansing it, and getting him fixed up. He never gave me grief. That isn't a sign of being unhealthy, it's a sign of an animal that knows you're not going to injure it.

I'd tell you the same thing if you owned dogs. You went out and got your mutt from the pound, came on a dog forum and said "I like pitbulls, but I wouldn't get them and risk it, I have a 2 year old". It's stereotyping, and it's garbage for this hobby. I'd tell you there that you shouldn't own dogs, because stereotypes do the opposite of what an animal lover has in mind. Fact: You're child is in just as much danger from a Boa as most other "small/medium" (bloods, carpets, SD retics) snakes out there. Grouping them together out of reputation based is nothing more than ignorance, something that reptile educates everywhere strive to get rid of.

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He hasn't promoted anything, he doesn't want to keep them because of his own feelings towards them. He hasn't suggested anything negative.. your just picking fights. It's YOU who should stay away from the hobby. How can you argue that a bite from a ball python is the same as a bite from a retic? Is it dangerous to keep big snakes? Not particularly if your experienced enough. Is it more dangerous than keeping a ball python? Absolutely! Arguing otherwise makes YOU, "ignorant and stupid."

You obviously feel that your justified in expressing your point of view but condemn other for there's. There's a word for that.. "Hypocrisy."

So far we're at, Self Righteous AND hypocritical.. well done.

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I'm not arguing that a bite from a ball python is the same from a retic. I'm saying that I trust my big male retic more than I trust any ball python I work with- who frankly, have a tendency to bite out of being startled/food time due to 99% of owners not being smart enough to hook train them. Again, all I was saying is, I trust my animal more than any ball python on this planet, that is how absolutely docile and well mannered he is. Sorry you can't derive this.

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Originally Posted by dillan2020

No matter how tame a 16 ft retic is it's still way more dangerous then any ball python. a pissed off ball python trying his damndest couldn't seriously injure you. a calm as can be 16 ft docile retic could seriously injure you by accident. it's like saying your rattlesnake never bites so it's safer to hold then your ball python with an attitude.

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Again, I'm not saying this in all cases. In most cases is the retic more dangerous? Sure, I never recommended he keep retics, I'm fairly certain in one of my posts I said I understood his reasoning on why he wouldn't want to keep mainland retics (non dwarf/superdwarf stuff). I was simply telling him that breed specific stereotypes are stupid, and giving an example of how I have the reverse situation.

Do you know how many times people tell me "retics are so mean"? All the damn time, for the longest time, I truly believed this as well, it wasn't until I actually owned some retics that I realized how ignorant I was, and how ignorant everyone else was. From my experiences keeping bloods, carpets, etc- I can say that the exact same thing is true with those species.

I'm not knocking him for not wanting to keep the same things as me. I'm knocking him for being ignorant.

OP if you're worried about your kid, you shouldn't own animals at all. Anything with a mouth can bite, that is a fact. To say that something like a boa is safer than a carpet, or a blood- is nothing but ignorance and sheer stupidity. You're putting your ignorance over the kid's safety, and you are not putting your kid first - or if you were so concerned with the idea of the kid getting into them- you wouldn't own anything. I've seen how kids squeeze animals and play with them, even the most docile ball python could bite your kid and scare him and at least make his day kinda suck. ;)

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Originally Posted by MMReptiles

Lol, why would I take my retic to the vet because he allows me to fix his eye? Man, sorry that your snakes aren't docile and trusting of you like mine. I just ended up getting in a 9-10 foot super tiger with a very bad mouth infection, that I had to spend time every day grabbing him, opening his mouth, and cleaning out bad tissue, cleansing it, and getting him fixed up. He never gave me grief. That isn't a sign of being unhealthy, it's a sign of an animal that knows you're not going to injure it.

I'd tell you the same thing if you owned dogs. You went out and got your mutt from the pound, came on a dog forum and said "I like pitbulls, but I wouldn't get them and risk it, I have a 2 year old". It's stereotyping, and it's garbage for this hobby. I'd tell you there that you shouldn't own dogs, because stereotypes do the opposite of what an animal lover has in mind. Fact: You're child is in just as much danger from a Boa as most other "small/medium" (bloods, carpets, SD retics) snakes out there. Grouping them together out of reputation based is nothing more than ignorance, something that reptile educates everywhere strive to get rid of.


I'm not arguing that a bite from a ball python is the same from a retic. I'm saying that I trust my big male retic more than I trust any ball python I work with- who frankly, have a tendency to bite out of being startled/food time due to 99% of owners not being smart enough to hook train them. Again, all I was saying is, I trust my animal more than any ball python on this planet, that is how absolutely docile and well mannered he is. Sorry you can't derive this.


Again, I'm not saying this in all cases. In most cases is the retic more dangerous? Sure, I never recommended he keep retics, I'm fairly certain in one of my posts I said I understood his reasoning on why he wouldn't want to keep mainland retics (non dwarf/superdwarf stuff). I was simply telling him that breed specific stereotypes are stupid, and giving an example of how I have the reverse situation.

Do you know how many times people tell me "retics are so mean"? All the damn time, for the longest time, I truly believed this as well, it wasn't until I actually owned some retics that I realized how ignorant I was, and how ignorant everyone else was. From my experiences keeping bloods, carpets, etc- I can say that the exact same thing is true with those species.

I'm not knocking him for not wanting to keep the same things as me. I'm knocking him for being ignorant.

OP if you're worried about your kid, you shouldn't own animals at all. Anything with a mouth can bite, that is a fact. To say that something like a boa is safer than a carpet, or a blood- is nothing but ignorance and sheer stupidity. You're putting your ignorance over the kid's safety, and you are not putting your kid first - or if you were so concerned with the idea of the kid getting into them- you wouldn't own anything. I've seen how kids squeeze animals and play with them, even the most docile ball python could bite your kid and scare him and at least make his day kinda suck. ;)

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Not everybody is a snake whisperer. Those snakes are of the size that they can do damage if they want too. I wouldn't want to go on a fishing expedition to try and find the most well-mannered snake. So he's just going to avoid them all together. There ARE mean retics. And they can kill, so he doesn't want to chance it. Imo, rattle snakes are mean. But i'm sure there are some owners that haven't ever had a rattle snake strike at them. Does that mean when that owner "handles" the rattler they should let there 2 year old in the room?

MMReptiles, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not condemning large snakes. Let's take exactly what you said though to prove my point. "I've seen how kids squeeze animals and play with them, even the most docile ball python could bite your kid and scare him and at least make his day kinda suck." with that being said which would suck worse a bite from a corn (the direction I'm headed right now) or a retic? So which would you consider to be safer around a child? All I'm saying is regardless of the species, forget all species involved for a moment, is the larger the snake the greater the potential damage, thus making the larger snake more dangerous. Would you consider that a fair observation?

I love me some corns! Awesome colors and they are cheap! Just saying.

Honestly, from watching this thread; I can understand and partially agree with MMreptiles. I don't care for the abrasive way he speaks to everyone, but then again, he is being kind of jumped by half of the posters.

Cris, he specifically mentioned that a larger snake has more more potential to cause damage than a smaller one, however the generalization of a behavior of any species or group is unfair to the individuals.

Aside from the fun game, I would say that if you need to step away from the hobby, or a particular species, then by all means do so. The only thing is to remain responsible at all times in this hobby from beginning to end.

What morphs for corns do you like the most?

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Originally Posted by Virus

Honestly, from watching this thread; I can understand and partially agree with MMreptiles. I don't care for the abrasive way he speaks to everyone, but then again, he is being kind of jumped by half of the posters.

Cris, he specifically mentioned that a larger snake has more more potential to cause damage than a smaller one, however the generalization of a behavior of any species or group is unfair to the individuals.

Aside from the fun game, I would say that if you need to step away from the hobby, or a particular species, then by all means do so. The only thing is to remain responsible at all times in this hobby from beginning to end.

What morphs for corns do you like the most?

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I agree with some of MMReptiles points too, just not the attacks on ball keepers, singling out people (Mike), and attacking me personally. He stated that bp keepers are not reptile keepers but "rock fans". He tried to bust Mike's chops over liking boas after stating he only wanted to keep bps at this time. He stated that I shouldn't keep animals because of my feelings towards larger snakes. And even tried to call me a bad father in a round about way, by stating and I'll quote; "You're putting your ignorance over the kid's safety, and you are not putting your kid first". None of these statements he made had anything to do with the OP. So quite honestly I feel he brought on a lot of the replies from others on himself. I never reported trolling which is what it was. And I tried to be as civil as possible yet he continued.

I'm not stating that all animals of any particular species are the same. I'm sorry it ever read that way. I'm just trying to err on the side of caution. Now I'll ask, is that wrong? Is that bad parenting? That's all I meant about working with bloods.

Virus I don't mean any of this personal towards you. I just used a reply to your post because it was an opening to explain myself without feeling the need to also be defensive.

As far as corns go, morphs I want to work with...

Amel
Stripe
Lavender
Diffused
Dilute
Sunkissed

The first 2 projects I work on is opals and orchids. Then I want to add stripe and dilute to both. Of course this is over several years because I don't want a huge collection of corns. Or any particular species for that matter.

You're willing to let your kid be around a ball python, but not a blood python. Based around ignorance of species and poor knowledge of animals. I am not indirectly calling you a bad father. I'm DIRECTLY calling you a bad father. A good father if he was concerned about his child, would realize that both snakes are extremely similar, and BOTH could harm his kid. The likelyhood of a ball python escaping and a blood escaping and biting his kid is probably the exact same. It has nothing to do with your kids safety in that regard. Don't kid yourself.

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Originally Posted by MMReptiles

You're willing to let your kid be around a ball python, but not a blood python. Based around ignorance of species and poor knowledge of animals. I am not indirectly calling you a bad father. I'm DIRECTLY calling you a bad father. A good father if he was concerned about his child, would realize that both snakes are extremely similar, and BOTH could harm his kid. The likelyhood of a ball python escaping and a blood escaping and biting his kid is probably the exact same. It has nothing to do with your kids safety in that regard. Don't kid yourself.

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Ok I've gotten sick of your crap so I have finally reported your trolling. Also just so you are aware you have broken at least 2 rules of bp.net just in this thread. Rule number 2. Keep the site pg your profanity broke that rule. And now you have broken rule3. No hate speak. Obviously you have no respect for this forum and I will be pming one of the mods about this. I hope you will someday learn to control your words. Until then do not post on any of my threads including this one anymore or I will report every post to the mods.