Thinking of stepping away from balls.

[ChrisS]

I'm actually looking at white lipped, moluccans and olives right now (all of which range from 7' to 12' or so, however they stay more thin than burms and retics) but am going to start with an olive. Still don't know if I'll want to breed any of them but time will tell I guess. With the 4 female balls and 2 males that I own currently, and the one more female that I want to get, I think I'll be busy enough pimping the females out to the males that I won't need to breed anything else! LOL Do you think you'll end up breeding whatever you end up getting into or do you not know yet?

I think white lipped are amazing too. I don't know very much at all about moliccans, but they look awesome. Of the three I agree I'd go with the olive python.

As far as breeding goes for me, probably so. But I doubt on any large scale maybe a clutch or 2 a season, per species. But largely depends on how many different species I get. With the corns I'll probably get 2 pairs, one locale and one morph. Also with womas I'll either get a pair or trio. Gtp will be a pair or trio as well. There are several snakes I'd be happy just having as a pet and never breeding, like coachwhips, atb, red belly snakes, or garters. In the end I think I'll be happy if I have 10 females and about 6 or 7 going a year. I'm going to take some time tomorrow and write down my goals (herp and non herp) for the next 1, 5, and 10 years just to see what I feel is feasible for me.

[gsarchie]

Right on man, I'll definitely be waiting to see what your list has on it. And now you've given me an idea for a new thread... LOL

[MMReptiles]

Hahahaha thanks for the good laugh!! Your great, you should be a comedian. Instead of arguing with you because you never run out of steam I'm going to fuel the fire.

I'm going to continue keeping animals!

I'm still not keeping bloods or retics!

I didn't say I was basing my opinion on all of one species I said for the sake of my child I'm not going to take a chance. I don't care if your snake is "tame". Snakes are wild animals wild a primitive mind. Don't believe me look it up.

You're a wack job who needs to seek counseling to channel your inner anger. Its not healthy to get this worked up over a thread on a "public forum"

And how do you understand my feelings?

If most reptile keepers hate me then why is only you making a big deal... Oh wait I forgot there are no reptile keepers here only bp keepers, which somehow in your eye isn't a reptile.

No I don't know how many times people at your work say you are crazy, but with your posts I'm inclined to agree. Not because of your love of large snakes in my case though.

Oh and one other thing your snake is having no reaction to you messing with his eye thats probably a good indicator he isn't well. Any animal snake or not, if you mess with its eye it's going to react. So you may wanna take your snake to a vet or find someone who can better care for it cause you are too busy worrying about other people.

Lol, why would I take my retic to the vet because he allows me to fix his eye? Man, sorry that your snakes aren't docile and trusting of you like mine. I just ended up getting in a 9-10 foot super tiger with a very bad mouth infection, that I had to spend time every day grabbing him, opening his mouth, and cleaning out bad tissue, cleansing it, and getting him fixed up. He never gave me grief. That isn't a sign of being unhealthy, it's a sign of an animal that knows you're not going to injure it.

I'd tell you the same thing if you owned dogs. You went out and got your mutt from the pound, came on a dog forum and said "I like pitbulls, but I wouldn't get them and risk it, I have a 2 year old". It's stereotyping, and it's garbage for this hobby. I'd tell you there that you shouldn't own dogs, because stereotypes do the opposite of what an animal lover has in mind. Fact: You're child is in just as much danger from a Boa as most other "small/medium" (bloods, carpets, SD retics) snakes out there. Grouping them together out of reputation based is nothing more than ignorance, something that reptile educates everywhere strive to get rid of.

He hasn't promoted anything, he doesn't want to keep them because of his own feelings towards them. He hasn't suggested anything negative.. your just picking fights. It's YOU who should stay away from the hobby. How can you argue that a bite from a ball python is the same as a bite from a retic? Is it dangerous to keep big snakes? Not particularly if your experienced enough. Is it more dangerous than keeping a ball python? Absolutely! Arguing otherwise makes YOU, "ignorant and stupid."

You obviously feel that your justified in expressing your point of view but condemn other for there's. There's a word for that.. "Hypocrisy."

So far we're at, Self Righteous AND hypocritical.. well done.

I'm not arguing that a bite from a ball python is the same from a retic. I'm saying that I trust my big male retic more than I trust any ball python I work with- who frankly, have a tendency to bite out of being startled/food time due to 99% of owners not being smart enough to hook train them. Again, all I was saying is, I trust my animal more than any ball python on this planet, that is how absolutely docile and well mannered he is. Sorry you can't derive this.

No matter how tame a 16 ft retic is it's still way more dangerous then any ball python. a pissed off ball python trying his damndest couldn't seriously injure you. a calm as can be 16 ft docile retic could seriously injure you by accident. it's like saying your rattlesnake never bites so it's safer to hold then your ball python with an attitude.

Again, I'm not saying this in all cases. In most cases is the retic more dangerous? Sure, I never recommended he keep retics, I'm fairly certain in one of my posts I said I understood his reasoning on why he wouldn't want to keep mainland retics (non dwarf/superdwarf stuff). I was simply telling him that breed specific stereotypes are stupid, and giving an example of how I have the reverse situation.

Do you know how many times people tell me "retics are so mean"? All the damn time, for the longest time, I truly believed this as well, it wasn't until I actually owned some retics that I realized how ignorant I was, and how ignorant everyone else was. From my experiences keeping bloods, carpets, etc- I can say that the exact same thing is true with those species.

I'm not knocking him for not wanting to keep the same things as me. I'm knocking him for being ignorant.

OP if you're worried about your kid, you shouldn't own animals at all. Anything with a mouth can bite, that is a fact. To say that something like a boa is safer than a carpet, or a blood- is nothing but ignorance and sheer stupidity. You're putting your ignorance over the kid's safety, and you are not putting your kid first - or if you were so concerned with the idea of the kid getting into them- you wouldn't own anything. I've seen how kids squeeze animals and play with them, even the most docile ball python could bite your kid and scare him and at least make his day kinda suck.

[Andrew21]

Lol, why would I take my retic to the vet because he allows me to fix his eye? Man, sorry that your snakes aren't docile and trusting of you like mine. I just ended up getting in a 9-10 foot super tiger with a very bad mouth infection, that I had to spend time every day grabbing him, opening his mouth, and cleaning out bad tissue, cleansing it, and getting him fixed up. He never gave me grief. That isn't a sign of being unhealthy, it's a sign of an animal that knows you're not going to injure it.

I'd tell you the same thing if you owned dogs. You went out and got your mutt from the pound, came on a dog forum and said "I like pitbulls, but I wouldn't get them and risk it, I have a 2 year old". It's stereotyping, and it's garbage for this hobby. I'd tell you there that you shouldn't own dogs, because stereotypes do the opposite of what an animal lover has in mind. Fact: You're child is in just as much danger from a Boa as most other "small/medium" (bloods, carpets, SD retics) snakes out there. Grouping them together out of reputation based is nothing more than ignorance, something that reptile educates everywhere strive to get rid of.


I'm not arguing that a bite from a ball python is the same from a retic. I'm saying that I trust my big male retic more than I trust any ball python I work with- who frankly, have a tendency to bite out of being startled/food time due to 99% of owners not being smart enough to hook train them. Again, all I was saying is, I trust my animal more than any ball python on this planet, that is how absolutely docile and well mannered he is. Sorry you can't derive this.


Again, I'm not saying this in all cases. In most cases is the retic more dangerous? Sure, I never recommended he keep retics, I'm fairly certain in one of my posts I said I understood his reasoning on why he wouldn't want to keep mainland retics (non dwarf/superdwarf stuff). I was simply telling him that breed specific stereotypes are stupid, and giving an example of how I have the reverse situation.

Do you know how many times people tell me "retics are so mean"? All the damn time, for the longest time, I truly believed this as well, it wasn't until I actually owned some retics that I realized how ignorant I was, and how ignorant everyone else was. From my experiences keeping bloods, carpets, etc- I can say that the exact same thing is true with those species.

I'm not knocking him for not wanting to keep the same things as me. I'm knocking him for being ignorant.

OP if you're worried about your kid, you shouldn't own animals at all. Anything with a mouth can bite, that is a fact. To say that something like a boa is safer than a carpet, or a blood- is nothing but ignorance and sheer stupidity. You're putting your ignorance over the kid's safety, and you are not putting your kid first - or if you were so concerned with the idea of the kid getting into them- you wouldn't own anything. I've seen how kids squeeze animals and play with them, even the most docile ball python could bite your kid and scare him and at least make his day kinda suck.

Not everybody is a snake whisperer. Those snakes are of the size that they can do damage if they want too. I wouldn't want to go on a fishing expedition to try and find the most well-mannered snake. So he's just going to avoid them all together. There ARE mean retics. And they can kill, so he doesn't want to chance it. Imo, rattle snakes are mean. But i'm sure there are some owners that haven't ever had a rattle snake strike at them. Does that mean when that owner "handles" the rattler they should let there 2 year old in the room?

[ChrisS]

MMReptiles, please don't misunderstand me, I'm not condemning large snakes. Let's take exactly what you said though to prove my point. "I've seen how kids squeeze animals and play with them, even the most docile ball python could bite your kid and scare him and at least make his day kinda suck." with that being said which would suck worse a bite from a corn (the direction I'm headed right now) or a retic? So which would you consider to be safer around a child? All I'm saying is regardless of the species, forget all species involved for a moment, is the larger the snake the greater the potential damage, thus making the larger snake more dangerous. Would you consider that a fair observation?

[Andrew21]

I love me some corns! Awesome colors and they are cheap! Just saying.

[Virus]

Honestly, from watching this thread; I can understand and partially agree with MMreptiles. I don't care for the abrasive way he speaks to everyone, but then again, he is being kind of jumped by half of the posters.

Cris, he specifically mentioned that a larger snake has more more potential to cause damage than a smaller one, however the generalization of a behavior of any species or group is unfair to the individuals.

Aside from the fun game, I would say that if you need to step away from the hobby, or a particular species, then by all means do so. The only thing is to remain responsible at all times in this hobby from beginning to end.

What morphs for corns do you like the most?

[ChrisS]

Honestly, from watching this thread; I can understand and partially agree with MMreptiles. I don't care for the abrasive way he speaks to everyone, but then again, he is being kind of jumped by half of the posters.

Cris, he specifically mentioned that a larger snake has more more potential to cause damage than a smaller one, however the generalization of a behavior of any species or group is unfair to the individuals.

Aside from the fun game, I would say that if you need to step away from the hobby, or a particular species, then by all means do so. The only thing is to remain responsible at all times in this hobby from beginning to end.

What morphs for corns do you like the most?

I agree with some of MMReptiles points too, just not the attacks on ball keepers, singling out people (Mike), and attacking me personally. He stated that bp keepers are not reptile keepers but "rock fans". He tried to bust Mike's chops over liking boas after stating he only wanted to keep bps at this time. He stated that I shouldn't keep animals because of my feelings towards larger snakes. And even tried to call me a bad father in a round about way, by stating and I'll quote; "You're putting your ignorance over the kid's safety, and you are not putting your kid first". None of these statements he made had anything to do with the OP. So quite honestly I feel he brought on a lot of the replies from others on himself. I never reported trolling which is what it was. And I tried to be as civil as possible yet he continued.

I'm not stating that all animals of any particular species are the same. I'm sorry it ever read that way. I'm just trying to err on the side of caution. Now I'll ask, is that wrong? Is that bad parenting? That's all I meant about working with bloods.

Virus I don't mean any of this personal towards you. I just used a reply to your post because it was an opening to explain myself without feeling the need to also be defensive.

As far as corns go, morphs I want to work with...

Amel
Stripe
Lavender
Diffused
Dilute
Sunkissed

The first 2 projects I work on is opals and orchids. Then I want to add stripe and dilute to both. Of course this is over several years because I don't want a huge collection of corns. Or any particular species for that matter.

[MMReptiles]

You're willing to let your kid be around a ball python, but not a blood python. Based around ignorance of species and poor knowledge of animals. I am not indirectly calling you a bad father. I'm DIRECTLY calling you a bad father. A good father if he was concerned about his child, would realize that both snakes are extremely similar, and BOTH could harm his kid. The likelyhood of a ball python escaping and a blood escaping and biting his kid is probably the exact same. It has nothing to do with your kids safety in that regard. Don't kid yourself.

[ChrisS]

You're willing to let your kid be around a ball python, but not a blood python. Based around ignorance of species and poor knowledge of animals. I am not indirectly calling you a bad father. I'm DIRECTLY calling you a bad father. A good father if he was concerned about his child, would realize that both snakes are extremely similar, and BOTH could harm his kid. The likelyhood of a ball python escaping and a blood escaping and biting his kid is probably the exact same. It has nothing to do with your kids safety in that regard. Don't kid yourself.

Ok I've gotten sick of your crap so I have finally reported your trolling. Also just so you are aware you have broken at least 2 rules of bp.net just in this thread. Rule number 2. Keep the site pg your profanity broke that rule. And now you have broken rule3. No hate speak. Obviously you have no respect for this forum and I will be pming one of the mods about this. I hope you will someday learn to control your words. Until then do not post on any of my threads including this one anymore or I will report every post to the mods.