snake lab / Chris Guida (split from "If it's too good to be true...")

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Hmmmm...

Cliffs notes anyone?

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Here they are:

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you know not to take any sides what so ever but i think at this point each side has done its best to state their point of view. if you look in the upper left corner of the webpage you will see that we are not living up to our own logo.... just my 2pennies, do what you will with it.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Deborah i could give a damn what you few think of me based on what you want to believe out of the situation. Ive apoligized and admitted to my couple deals and i have fixed and still fixing them. Get off your high horse just because you are a mod on a forum website.

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You're lucky I am a mod because I would have called you out myself very early on, but as a mod I have to show restraints (imagine if I didn't :O)

I know you don't care about what I think about you and trust me likewise. Now the thing I care about is this community because what you fail to see is that this community is a big family (sometimes dysfunctional) but a big family that I believe is entitled to the truth and know when someone with a less than stellar rep is among them.

What I also care about or have a profound dislike for are scammers, liars and people jeopardizing this hobby/industry for the rest of us (using bad shipping practise etc) and somehow I doubt I am the only one feeling that way.

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i ask what do you expect me to do? You guys have me pegged as a bad guy from jumpstreet and im not looking for your acceptance. All these forums online are all the same. You will always have the peanut gallery sitting behind their computers with all the answers.

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Again asking what you should insulting people of this community in the process way to go and gain respect.

What you should have done since you want some advice but yet do not need the community to accept you.

7 Years ago you should have made it right and not give people the run around, 7 years is a LONG time.

A month ago when you joined here and fauna you should have been honest from the start instead you came here with a all mighty attitude and when called out (because sooner or later someone was gonna call you out on your experience and identity) you lied first to a staff member, lying about your involvement, about the true and whole story, than when call out by a member you came up with some of the truth along with a few more lies, and excuses, and you blamed everyone from your ex-business partner to people you bought animal from to who know who else.

See where you made mistakes?

Would you have come clean apologize (and I mean a sincere one that does not insult everyone in the process) this thread would not even exist, it does exist now because of YOUR past actions and lies and because of YOUR present lies and excuses and lack of respect for the community. Not the staff, the peanut gallery or Mike or Wes' fault just YOURS.

Maybe it's a lesson learned for your next online comeback.

Now food for the thought HONESTY, INTEGRITY and RESPECT go a long way in this industry no matter who you are.

Now go ahead have the last insulting word (you're good at that) because I am done here I can't reason with people that can't be reasoned with.

The Man is keepin' me down!

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Originally Posted by Deborah

You're lucky I am a mod because I would have called you out myself very early on, but as a mod I have to show restraints (imagine if I didn't :O)

I know you don't care about what I think about you and trust me likewise. Now the thing I care about is this community because what you fail to see is that this community is a big family (sometimes dysfunctional) but a big family that I believe is entitled to the truth and know when someone with a less than stellar rep is among them.

What I also care about or have a profound dislike for are scammers, liars and people jeopardizing this hobby/industry for the rest of us (using bad shipping practise etc) and somehow I doubt I am the only one feeling that way.

Again asking what you should insulting people of this community in the process way to go and gain respect.

What you should have done since you want some advice but yet do not need the community to accept you.

7 Years ago you should have made it right and not give people the run around, 7 years is a LONG time.

A month ago when you joined here and fauna you should have been honest from the start instead you came here with a all mighty attitude and when called out (because sooner or later someone was gonna call you out on your experience and identity) you lied first to a staff member, lying about your involvement, about the true and whole story, than when call out by a member you came up with some of the truth along with a few more lies, and excuses, and you blamed everyone from your ex-business partner to people you bought animal from to who know who else.

See where you made mistakes?

Would you have come clean apologize (and I mean a sincere one that does not insult everyone in the process) this thread would not even exist, it does exist now because of YOUR past actions and lies and because of YOUR present lies and excuses and lack of respect for the community. Not the staff, the peanut gallery or Mike or Wes' fault just YOURS.

Maybe it's a lesson learned for your next online comeback.

Now food for the thought HONESTY, INTEGRITY and RESPECT go a long way in this industry no matter who you are.

Now go ahead have the last insulting word (you're good at that) because I am done here I can't reason with people that can't be reasoned with.

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I did not lie to a all mighty bp.net staff member. I was an employee of cmg reptiles as well as a part owner. I was listed and paid as an employee. Dies that really even matter? The end result was online sales was my responsibillity. Also back then alot of peiple shipped through the usps, ups, fedex, and dhl. We didnt just ship through one specific carrier. It doesnt matter what i do your going to keep bashing me. And it was a bp staff member that started this by having a registered user call me out as you put it. Again i have one outstanding deal to fix and that will be done tonight with justin. You were not there when these deals were done. You have not seen any email logs, you have no proof we didnt send out the animals, all you are doing is forming an oppinion based on how you want to interprate a situation that you are biased to cause i came in to this site and pissed on someones fire hydrant. I am seriouslly done with this situation. It will be taken care of with justin and then you can go back to your job of keyboard jockeys and regulate your world as you see it.

I must say, as I watched this unfold throughout the day, I'm a little embarrassed for the Mods and Admins, as well as a lot of members here because of this thread.

It's one thing to make sure that a person who's had bad business dealings in the past, is known, and made aware for the rest of the forum. That's always a good thing. However, airing ALL of their dirty laundry is something I never expected from the Mods or Admins of this site.

It's good to know that he's had shady dealings and apparently lied, but simply stating that "Everyone should be cautious about doing business with Chris Guida" seems it would've covered it. In my opinion, what happened with him and Justin, is between him and Justin. No one else. I'm surprised how many people act like they were there when whatever deal between those two went down. Whether that got aired out on forums or not, it's no one's business other than Chris and Justin's on how or when it gets fixed.

Again, the only thing that should be said is that Chris apparently had bad dealings, and everyone should be made aware. I'm embarrassed at this "Witch Hunt" that is unfolding right here, and especially with all the mods.

Whether the guy is lying or not, he fessed up and said in MULTIPLE POSTS "I screwed up", "It's on me to get this fixed", "I own these mistakes". I'm amazed that even after that, you guys are still beating this thing to death.

I'm in NO WAY defending him, but instead stating how disappointed I am at some members and staff here. Especially as this is supposed to be one of the best websites to come to for information and not feel like people are on a Witch hunt. SMH. :(

***Disclaimer*** I'm in no way questioning the integrity or methods that mods/admins run the site, but just stating an opinion from an outsiders point of view. :salute:

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Originally Posted by The Hedgehog

I must say, as I watched this unfold throughout the day, I'm a little embarrassed for the Mods and Admins, as well as a lot of members here because of this thread.

It's one thing to make sure that a person who's had bad business dealings in the past, is known, and made aware for the rest of the forum. That's always a good thing. However, airing ALL of their dirty laundry is something I never expected from the Mods or Admins of this site.

It's good to know that he's had shady dealings and apparently lied, but simply stating that "Everyone should be cautious about doing business with Chris Guida" seems it would've covered it. In my opinion, what happened with him and Justin, is between him and Justin. No one else. I'm surprised how many people act like they were there when whatever deal between those two went down. Whether that got aired out on forums or not, it's no one's business other than Chris and Justin's on how or when it gets fixed.

Again, the only thing that should be said is that Chris apparently had bad dealings, and everyone should be made aware. I'm embarrassed at this "Witch Hunt" that is unfolding right here, and especially with all the mods.

Whether the guy is lying or not, he fessed up and said in MULTIPLE POSTS "I screwed up", "It's on me to get this fixed", "I own these mistakes". I'm amazed that even after that, you guys are still beating this thing to death.

I'm in NO WAY defending him, but instead stating how disappointed I am at some members and staff here. Especially as this is supposed to be one of the best websites to come to for information and not feel like people are on a Witch hunt. SMH. :(

***Disclaimer*** I'm in no way questioning the integrity or methods that mods/admins run the site, but just stating an opinion from an outsiders point of view. :salute:

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Admitted it or not is the easy part.

This guy broke the law by shipping USPS and admitted to it. He was selling WC females as het pieds.

He took 2300$ from Justin, 7 YEARS AGO, and still not dont a thing to fix it. How are we as a community to say its okay he admitted to it. Move on.

We would of moved on 7 years ago if he had fixed them without lying about paperwork,shipments and so on.

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Originally Posted by The Hedgehog

It's one thing to make sure that a person who's had bad business dealings in the past, is known, and made aware for the rest of the forum. That's always a good thing. However, airing ALL of their dirty laundry is something I never expected from the Mods or Admins of this site.

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At the risk of dragging this thread on even farther, I do want to respond to this...

I was glad to help expose the truth of the situation here. I believe everyone should be as aware as they can be about anyone they choose to do business with.

All the "dirty laundry" that you claim wasn't done with the intention of trying to humiliate or demean or any sort of "witch hunt" practice. It simply came out of pure frustration at trying to get a very specific point across to Chris that he continued to dodge and ignore. There's that little voice in one's head that whispers, "Well, maybe if I say it THIS way, he'll finally get it...."

Needless to say, it never did work. I realized I was falling into that definition of insanity of those that practice the same action over and over again but keep expecting different results.

I've said all I can say....I apologize if anything I said came out overly hostile, as that really wasn't my intent. Whoever reads this will either get what I was trying to say, or they won't...including Chris.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Admitted it or not is the easy part.

This guy broke the law by shipping USPS and admitted to it. He was selling WC females as het pieds.

He took 2300$ from Justin, 7 YEARS AGO, and still not dont a thing to fix it. How are we as a community to say its okay he admitted to it. Move on.

We would of moved on 7 years ago if he had fixed them without lying about paperwork,shipments and so on.

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I honestly don't think that was what he was trying to say. I have also been reading this thread since it started last night and honestly you all just keep saying the same thing over and over again.

I'm not saying what he did was right, but people make mistakes. Should he have taken 7 years to get back to Justin? No.

I've made a lot of mistakes in my life and I'm only 22. The best thing we can do is learn from our mistakes and move on. To constantly keep harping on them doesn't make sense. Everyone has done things at one point in their life that they wish they could go back and do differently. It's part of life.

As for shipping via USPS, I actually had someone send me 2 snakes via USPS last month. People are still doing this today, so it's hardly unique to Chris.

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Originally Posted by Kinra

I honestly don't think that was what he was trying to say. I have also been reading this thread since it started last night and honestly you all just keep saying the same thing over and over again.

I'm not saying what he did was right, but people make mistakes. Should he have taken 7 years to get back to Justin? No.

I've made a lot of mistakes in my life and I'm only 22. The best thing we can do is learn from our mistakes and move on. To constantly keep harping on them doesn't make sense. Everyone has done things at one point in their life that they wish they could go back and do differently. It's part of life.

As for shipping via USPS, I actually had someone send me 2 snakes via USPS last month. People are still doing this today, so it's hardly unique to Chris.

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Yes 7 years long time, But would he of came forward from behind the shadows and said who he was if not brought out by the community. And would he of contacted Justin to rectify the situation had he not been called out. I think not.


As for USPS, not smart accepting nor admitting to accepting snake shipments via USPS. Its in violation with lacey act and Federal Regulations that can get you and seller in serious trouble.

Rich i was not selling het pieds as wc. That was an accusation made. I sold justin a pair of animals and shipped them. Dont make things up to make your point. It was accused by one person that i was misrepresenting the hets because yes we bought some wc girls to resell like we did every year. Get your facts straight. And regardless of how animals were shipped, they got there and back then it was alot different then now on how uou can ship. Please like i am sure every last one of you have never done something wrong in your lives. Im sure you all are saints sitting back behind your holy keyboards. Get a life. I said i was fixing things with justin tonight and i will be. Anything else is simple accusations from people that were not there and have no place commenting on the situation without factual information. Now you may commence with your worthless banter.

all good points. I think the last thing I'd want to say in this matter is that I don't believe that anyone has written chris off, for any reason be it alleged, perceived, or actual. I think most any rational person believes in second chances. what's troubling is a continued pattern of ostensibly shady behaviour. it's been seven years and it appears that not much has changed. perhaps it has, but the fauna information is revealing. while it's not our business to air anyone's private dealings, getting as much information available to potential customers or unsuspecting people who would take advice is extremely important. and I think this thread has accomplished that.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Yes 7 years long time, But would he of came forward from behind the shadows and said who he was if not brought out by the community. And would he of contacted Justin to rectify the situation had he not been called out. I think not.

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I do believe this thread helped get Justin's issue cleared up, but saying the same thing over and over again won't get anyone anywhere.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

As for USPS, not smart accepting nor admitting to accepting snake shipments via USPS. Its in violation with lacey act and Federal Regulations that can get you and seller in serious trouble.

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Had I known they intended to ship via USPS I would have gone else where. I didn't realize I could get in trouble for receiving the package though. Thank you for letting me know.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Rich i was not selling het pieds as wc. That was an accusation made. I sold justin a pair of animals and shipped them. Dont make things up to make your point. It was accused by one person that i was misrepresenting the hets because yes we bought some wc girls to resell like we did every year. Get your facts straight. And regardless of how animals were shipped, they got there and back then it was alot different then now on how uou can ship. Please like i am sure every last one of you have never done something wrong in your lives. Im sure you all are saints sitting back behind your holy keyboards. Get a life. I said i was fixing things with justin tonight and i will be. Anything else is simple accusations from people that were not there and have no place commenting on the situation without factual information. Now you may commence with your worthless banter.

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Of course we have, its how we fixed what we wronged, and not come back in the shadows without telling ppl who you were.


I hope your telling the truth this time. Ill be sure to talk to him tonight

Call him right now rich i just talked to him in the phone.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

I did not lie to a all mighty bp.net staff member. I was an employee of cmg reptiles as well as a part owner. I was listed and paid as an employee. Dies that really even matter? The end result was online sales was my responsibillity. Also back then alot of peiple shipped through the usps, ups, fedex, and dhl. We didnt just ship through one specific carrier. It doesnt matter what i do your going to keep bashing me. And it was a bp staff member that started this by having a registered user call me out as you put it. Again i have one outstanding deal to fix and that will be done tonight with justin. You were not there when these deals were done. You have not seen any email logs, you have no proof we didnt send out the animals, all you are doing is forming an oppinion based on how you want to interprate a situation that you are biased to cause i came in to this site and pissed on someones fire hydrant. I am seriouslly done with this situation. It will be taken care of with justin and then you can go back to your job of keyboard jockeys and regulate your world as you see it.

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What staff member had a registered user call you out?

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Originally Posted by The Hedgehog

I must say, as I watched this unfold throughout the day, I'm a little embarrassed for the Mods and Admins, as well as a lot of members here because of this thread.

It's one thing to make sure that a person who's had bad business dealings in the past, is known, and made aware for the rest of the forum. That's always a good thing. However, airing ALL of their dirty laundry is something I never expected from the Mods or Admins of this site.

It's good to know that he's had shady dealings and apparently lied, but simply stating that "Everyone should be cautious about doing business with Chris Guida" seems it would've covered it. In my opinion, what happened with him and Justin, is between him and Justin. No one else. I'm surprised how many people act like they were there when whatever deal between those two went down. Whether that got aired out on forums or not, it's no one's business other than Chris and Justin's on how or when it gets fixed.

Again, the only thing that should be said is that Chris apparently had bad dealings, and everyone should be made aware. I'm embarrassed at this "Witch Hunt" that is unfolding right here, and especially with all the mods.

Whether the guy is lying or not, he fessed up and said in MULTIPLE POSTS "I screwed up", "It's on me to get this fixed", "I own these mistakes". I'm amazed that even after that, you guys are still beating this thing to death.

I'm in NO WAY defending him, but instead stating how disappointed I am at some members and staff here. Especially as this is supposed to be one of the best websites to come to for information and not feel like people are on a Witch hunt. SMH. :(

***Disclaimer*** I'm in no way questioning the integrity or methods that mods/admins run the site, but just stating an opinion from an outsiders point of view. :salute:

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There's nothing private about this between him and Justin. As recently as yesterday, Justin posted on Fauna that Chris still has not resolved this.

Have you even read the threads on Fauna? Apparently not, because you can see that Chris hasn't changed his deflect, deflect, deflect persona that he had when this all started seven years ago.

He made claims that he was making people whole, he made claims that he shipped animals, and animals never showed up. He made claims that HE was authorized to ship snakes through the USPS to save a buck, when no one else is authorized to do so.

And if it were not for this thread, I doubt seriously that he would have reached out to Justin to correct this. Why should we think he would have if he hasn't in the past SEVEN years?

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Anything else is simple accusations from people that were not there and have no place commenting on the situation without factual information. Now you may commence with your worthless banter.

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Bullsnot.

And I think you may want to look up the definition of worthless.

If this banter is worthless you have a very skewed value system. Oops, that's already been established.

Anyway, YOU sure seem to spend a lot of time here trying to cover your butt from all this "worthless" banter.

I suspect the thin veneer of decency you pretend to is sloughing off. I suspect you're still the same dodgy guy you were when you were stealing from people and lying about it 7 years ago.

Get a life rabernet. You know what you did. And so does everyone else. Good job being an admin way to show private messages dont mean private here. They mean mods can do whatever they want with your account on a public forum.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Get a life rabernet. You know what you did. And so does everyone else. Good job being an admin way to show private messages dont mean private here. They mean mods can do whatever they want with your account on a public forum.

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You got any proof or you just blubbering?

Yes, I did share my concerns with the staff after receiving your PM and searching for CMG on Fauna. You told me in your PM:


If you missed that part it was rabernet. So the info got out from a mod to start all this crap on here. Way to go mods. But like i said my and justin will be straight. The peanut gallerycwill just have to bully someone else. Its actually pathetic and wilomn come visit me at hamburg. Would love to see ya

Really? So now not only is a mod allowed to disrespect me but once i defend myself this is what i get? You have received an infraction at Ball-Pythons.net Forums Dear snake lab,

You have received an infraction at Ball-Pythons.net Forums.

Reason: Disrespect Toward Staff -------You may disagree with staff...but you will NOT disrespect a member of this staff in this manner. I'd say "post your proof" but you don't have proof because it never happened except in your sad, pathetic little head.

Robin shared your PM with staff, as we do anytime we're sent a PM that potentially affects the entire site. But you've already proven your unwillingness to listen to or read a single word we say, so I'm not going to bother disputing this any farther in the thread.

This is a 50 point infraction. 100 points will earn you a 30 day time out. 150 points will earn you a permanent ban...as well any attempts to get around the temporary ban, should you decide to push things that far. This is your only warning. -------

This infraction is worth 50 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Its actually pathetic and wilomn come visit me at hamburg. Would love to see ya

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Why would you want to meet me? Are you just trying to prove that your intelligence is that slight? I mean seriously, I have no respect for you, you obviously don't favor me so much, why on earth would you want me to come see you in hamburg? I've embarrassed you here, are you looking to have it happen in real life?

I just don't get guys like you. Lie, steal, make excuses, lie some more, then get your panties all wadded up when your, YOUR, dirty laundry gets aired.

DO YOUR LAUNDRY in a more timely fashion. You won't have this problem that way. 7 years is too long between loads. Change your undies more often. Skidmarks are unsightly.

herp derp :P

Explain that one to me? I wasnt even disrespecting anyone in the first place. You guys have been on a witch hunt from jumpstreet ever since i got here

Screwball.


Makes so much more sense now...


Thanks.

Hahahah thats actually good right there. Ive said everything im going to say on this matter. Say what you guys will, bash me if you will, its all good

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Get a life rabernet. You know what you did. And so does everyone else.

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You say you are trying to fix things... and want to know what you can do to appease people... Then you tell Robin to get a life, and call her a lier to her face.

She didn't tell me to call you out. Nobody did.

Frankly, you were talking like a punk constantly... You kept mentioning thread after thread after thread about how you know all these big breeders, and how you have been in the business for so long, and how you have an invincible excellent reputation, and so on and so on. At the same time almost every argument you had made it seem like you didn't have a clue what you were talking about. And nobody knew who the hell you were in real life... How could you be such a big player with such a great reputation and nobody even knows who you are? I honestly figured you to be a newbie who was just making crap up. THAT is why, when you mentioned for the 1,000th time that you know everything and we know nothing I decided to call you out.

I can tell you this much... insulting Robin isn't going to get you very far. Although she and I have butted heads a couple times (mostly over silly stuff) she has NEVER done anything dishonest. Trust me, there were a couple times when I am certain she wanted me gone. But even then, even though she had the full power to do whatever she wanted on this forum, she chose to be the better person and to be fair and stuck to the rules, giving me every chance to straighten up that she gives to everyone else.

The fact that you aren't banned right now is an excellent example of what I am talking about. Respect the staff here or move on. It is that simple.

Now back to your scheduled programing... :teevee:

Chris did contact me today and also made a payment against the balance owned from 7 years ago. I will report as well when the obligation is completely paid.

Chris, like I told you on the phone, I do believe you made a mistake and it was never your intention for things to go down like they did. There are many "reasons" but there is no excuse for cutting me off and going off the grid for 7 years when I (your customer) was scammed and you knew it.

I appreciate that this is in the process of being taken care of and I hope that you can look at your current situation with a bit of humility considering it was your mistakes that have lead to this. A little humility goes a LONG way. In the end it is how we deal with these problems that really define us.

My purchase from you was my first internet purchase ever. In spite of how negative it turned out, I'm thankful that was not the end of my bp experience. In the end, everyone here wants to make sure other new enthusiasts only deal with good vendors who are honest and stand behind their animals all the way, hence the emotions in this thread.

This thread is being closed because we feel that all that needs to be said has been said. True restitution has been set in motion, and allowing the constant drama to die down will allow Chris an opportunity to go forth and live up to the promises he has made to learn from past mistakes.

This thread WILL be unlocked at any point that Justin has a pertinent update to add. (Justin, just shoot me, Robin, or any staff member a PM to re-open the thread so you can post in it.) I know we all want to see full restitution and so long as Chris follows through with it, and the continues to stay above board from here on, this thread will stay closed.

Opened for Justin Only!!!! any other replies will be deleted without warning..

Thanks Freakie.


I want to report that Chris has now paid in full the amount he agreed to refund from this dispute: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39301

Thank you to all who helped make this happen.