We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.

The internet always brings out the worst in people

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Smitty...BG has a saying. He's said it before, and he'll say it again now.

Only a fool argues with someone who knows they're right. BG is no such fool. Somehow BG doesn't think this will satisfy you, but that's all you're going to get from BG from now on. Seek help my friend.

Now let BG check on the other nonsense here.

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Interesting that you're not willing to answer my questions and say that you're going to drop the subject. Then you post 4 additional messages. Which is it Neil? All I'm asking is that you discuss the actions of your newfound friends. I noticed you are pictured twice with the group recognized as the "Cove Guardians". So you are a member of SSC. Please answer my questions? If you want others to respect SSC, please tell us what legal means your group is using and I would really like to know what illegal activities Japan is being accused of.

I can accept a truce, but it's got to be a mutual truce. I'm willing to drop this thread, as long as you do as well.

I do truly respect a group that tries to make a difference in the world, but they must do so within all laws, including the laws of the land. "When in Rome" kinda thing.

Jim Smith

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Only a fool argues with someone who knows they're right. .

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Well same applies to you as well BG. Sorry had to say it...




I also want to give kudos to Jim who has changed his tune to asking legitamate questions and putting the silliness of name calling and deflecting answers aside. Quite a few of you could learn from that!!!

Now....as a mod....I want to address the fact that you all think we are siding with BG. I can kind of see the point some of you have made.... HOWEVER.......It has been my experience for over a year now on the board (not necc. as a mod) that there is a fine line and BG has learned to tout it well. He has also learned the art of the poke...(while I may not like it)....some of you fall for it and let it get to you therefore loosing your "typing" cool. Trust me when I say as admins and mods we do discuss things and make rational decisions. It may look to you as though we take sides but we do follow the rules and read everything closely and even have debates on things. Amazingly enough....which I am sure will be shocking to some ....WITHOUT CALLING EACH OTHER NAMES!!!!!!!!!!

What is frustrating to me....is the utter lack of respect on ALL sides that you have for each other. Lets remember ....we all have something in common...a love for snakes...or we would not be on here. If I can ask anything of all of you (All I want for Christmas)....it is to put the high school crap away and just ask questions and give answers. Without all the blah blah blah in it. THAT GOES FOR ALL SIDES HERE

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Or their true colors. I personally find this EXTREMELY entertaining. I love going back and forth with people, making fun of each other.

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The internet always brings out the worst in people

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The ones who have things hidden, yes.

Those who are what you see, use it as a vehicle to achieve.

And some folks simply don't deserve any respect. I know it's rough for you nice people like Elizabeth, but it's the plain and simple truth. We each have our own reckoning systems and filters and experiences that lead us to the point with every person we meet or interact with that demands that we decide firmly how we will act. Some have a default of Benefit of the Doubt, or I Trust everyone until I'm shown I can't and even then I'll probably give them several chances.

Some of us, having been down that road, now no longer travel it much at all.
While you may fault those who do not act as you do or think others should, your point of view is not more valid, just easier for the nice people to accept.

Easier isn't always better.

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What I don't get, Wes...is that if you guys are so gosh-darned tired of BG and his crap...then why do you keep responding to it and egging it on even more? :confused:

I'm pretty darned tired of it myself now. And unfortunately, unlike YOU, I can't ignore it because I have a responsibility to make sure everyone involved in this ridiculous little playground spat behaves the rules. But YOU, and everyone else (barring staff) CAN ignore the very thing you're so weary of. So.....why not? I know you're intelligent enough to understand that if he doesn't get any fuel for his fire, it'll die out on its own. So why do you guys keep throwing on the dry tinder?

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There's a thread over on fauna right now the subject of which is BOI posts that go on for hundreds of posts. The OP thinks shorter would be better but the thing that has been repeated pointed out is that sometimes you learn really important things about people and how they really are once you get past the fluff and to the meat, generally many posts into a thread.

Take this one for example. Out the gate, it's not so bad. Down the line a bit, more motive comes to light, more facts come to light, more facts are evident that would not have been had this only been a few posts long.

Like you, others have responsibilities. It may be that most don't recognize the carrying out of these responsibilities but, unlike the OP here, not everyone wants everything they do known by everyone.

I know I make people think. What they think isn't as important as that they do. I'm lucky in that sometimes I can get people to think in unaccustomed ways. While that may seem exactly what I'm dogging Guppy Boy for, it's not and it's doubtful you'll hear of it from me again.

You asked. I answered. Generally I just let these questions go but you seem genuinely interested so you got a genuine answer.

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And some folks simply don't deserve any respect. I know it's rough for you nice people like Elizabeth, but it's the plain and simple truth.

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I have to disagree with you on this. Everyone...deserves some type of respect as a human being. Be that respect in the form of coldness or staunchness, but still you do not want to drop yourself to someone elses level. Question, point out, demand answers, debate, totally!!! You can get ppl to recongnize who or what someone is without you yourself bending down to that level.

Just saying....


and by the way......Im not that nice!






Ok maybe a little nice...kind of...:P

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I have to disagree with you on this. Everyone...deserves some type of respect as a human being. Be that respect in the form of coldness or staunchness, but still you do not want to drop yourself to someone elses level. Question, point out, demand answers, debate, totally!!! You can get ppl to recongnize who or what someone is without you yourself bending down to that level.

Just saying....


and by the way......Im not that nice!






Ok maybe a little nice...kind of...:P

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I think everyone sees the normal Michelle on the forum, but as she's said, she's a military wife. They have to be hardnosed and tough. I have all the respect in the world for these ladies. The emotional distress of having their men in parts of the world, that you wouldn't wish your worst enemy to be. The fact that they have to run a family on their own most of the time, but then become a partner when the husband returns. And then the uncertainty of their future. I know I'm not strong enough to go through what she has for 20+ years.

I think she lives her life like we all should. Treat others as you want to be treated.

Jim Smith

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I have to disagree with you on this. Everyone...deserves some type of respect as a human being. Be that respect in the form of coldness or staunchness, but still you do not want to drop yourself to someone elses level. Question, point out, demand answers, debate, totally!!! You can get ppl to recongnize who or what someone is without you yourself bending down to that level.

Just saying....


and by the way......Im not that nice!






Ok maybe a little nice...kind of...:P

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You seem way to nice. haha

But I will let off Big Gunns til I the meet the guy in person. If Frankie says he a good guy, I can't argue.

Thanks Jim...

from another military wife and "single" mother (due to endless trips, deployments and hardship tours)

Plus doing it in a "foreign" country ;) My entire family is in Germany. But what doesn't kill one, makes one stronger.

You do get to a point where you weed the "BS" out, because there simply isn't time or energy for it. And you get to read people very well.

I've been mostly quiet on these threads, but I find it hard to believe how some can pull the wool over others eyes. And certain attitudes just really make me sick. And no, its not the much mentioned "BG Sickness" as I don't know that guy from a hole in the ground, nor do I care to.

Its not just what you "do", its also the motive and what one expects in return. And organizations CAN be hurt by being affiliated with the wrong persons, or persons that do nothing but turn others off of it.

Ok, I've said more then I wanted. I know for sure that it does no good to carry this on. There are people with certain and obvious personality disorders, and going on and on with them simply accomplishes nothing. You will never ever get through to them. Literally.

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Thanks Jim...

from another military wife and "single" mother (due to endless trips, deployments and hardship tours)

Plus doing it in a "foreign" country ;) My entire family is in Germany. But what doesn't kill one, makes one stronger.

You do get to a point where you weed the "BS" out, because there simply isn't time or energy for it. And you get to read people very well.

I've been mostly quiet on these threads, but I find it hard to believe how some can pull the wool over others eyes. And certain attitudes just really make me sick. And no, its not the much mentioned "BG Sickness" as I don't know that guy from a hole in the ground, nor do I care to.

Its not just what you "do", its also the motive and what one expects in return. And organizations CAN be hurt by being affiliated with the wrong persons, or persons that do nothing but turn others off of it.

Ok, I've said more then I wanted. I know for sure that it does no good to carry this on. There are people with certain and obvious personality disorders, and going on and on with them simply accomplishes nothing. You will never ever get through to them. Literally.

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You are the second woman I've met in the last 2 weeks that is living in the US while their entire family is in Europe. I don't know how you do it. My family is my biggest support group. The other woman is single and has lived here for the last 7 years. Once she gets her green card (or some other paperwork), she'll be able to go home, but that won't occur until next Summer.

Take Care!
Jim Smith

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The internet always brings out the worst in people

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I'm more cynical than you. Most people you see every day, you barely talk to. The internet gives you the opportunity to talk to them, and you find out that a huge number of them are jerks. I don't blame the internet for this, lol.

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Interesting that you're not willing to answer my questions and say that you're going to drop the subject. Then you post 4 additional messages. Which is it Neil? All I'm asking is that you discuss the actions of your newfound friends. I noticed you are pictured twice with the group recognized as the "Cove Guardians". So you are a member of SSC. Please answer my questions? If you want others to respect SSC, please tell us what legal means your group is using and I would really like to know what illegal activities Japan is being accused of.

I can accept a truce, but it's got to be a mutual truce. I'm willing to drop this thread, as long as you do as well.

I do truly respect a group that tries to make a difference in the world, but they must do so within all laws, including the laws of the land. "When in Rome" kinda thing.

Jim Smith

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So now you're begging for BG to continue to be a "fool" and debate with you. 1-800-Doctors may help you.

On a side not, BG has a "picture" with Paul McCartney. Guess BG is the long lost Beatle.:D

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Well same applies to you as well BG. Sorry had to say it...

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If you'll notice, BG realized that fact.:D

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Or their true side.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

The ones who have things hidden, yes.

Those who are what you see, use it as a vehicle to achieve.

And some folks simply don't deserve any respect. I know it's rough for you nice people like Elizabeth, but it's the plain and simple truth. We each have our own reckoning systems and filters and experiences that lead us to the point with every person we meet or interact with that demands that we decide firmly how we will act. Some have a default of Benefit of the Doubt, or I Trust everyone until I'm shown I can't and even then I'll probably give them several chances.

Some of us, having been down that road, now no longer travel it much at all.
While you may fault those who do not act as you do or think others should, your point of view is not more valid, just easier for the nice people to accept.

Easier isn't always better.

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It is kinda funny that the people that have actually met BG seem to like him. Then there are those that have their minds are so closed they can't even open them enough to try and get to know him. Sorry you're in that very small group Willy. Since we have mutual friends that like you, BG does give you some hope. That's why he continues with you.

BG will say this though. This is a "cut throat" business. Once you involve the business side of things with snakes, it's a lot harder to stay friends. That's why it seems that none of the "big dogs" seem to get along all that well. This is why BG prefers the average snake breeder.

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There's a thread over on fauna right now the subject of which is BOI posts that go on for hundreds of posts. The OP thinks shorter would be better but the thing that has been repeated pointed out is that sometimes you learn really important things about people and how they really are once you get past the fluff and to the meat, generally many posts into a thread.

Take this one for example. Out the gate, it's not so bad. Down the line a bit, more motive comes to light, more facts come to light, more facts are evident that would not have been had this only been a few posts long.

Like you, others have responsibilities. It may be that most don't recognize the carrying out of these responsibilities but, unlike the OP here, not everyone wants everything they do known by everyone.

I know I make people think. What they think isn't as important as that they do. I'm lucky in that sometimes I can get people to think in unaccustomed ways. While that may seem exactly what I'm dogging Guppy Boy for, it's not and it's doubtful you'll hear of it from me again.

You asked. I answered. Generally I just let these questions go but you seem genuinely interested so you got a genuine answer.

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Willy, of course BG had more than one "motive" with this thread, but then again you helped hack up his old one and had it closed. BG had to do something. You're trying DESPERATELY to do the same thing here.

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Thanks Jim...

from another military wife and "single" mother (due to endless trips, deployments and hardship tours)

Plus doing it in a "foreign" country ;) My entire family is in Germany. But what doesn't kill one, makes one stronger.

You do get to a point where you weed the "BS" out, because there simply isn't time or energy for it. And you get to read people very well.

I've been mostly quiet on these threads, but I find it hard to believe how some can pull the wool over others eyes. And certain attitudes just really make me sick. And no, its not the much mentioned "BG Sickness" as I don't know that guy from a hole in the ground, nor do I care to.

Its not just what you "do", its also the motive and what one expects in return. And organizations CAN be hurt by being affiliated with the wrong persons, or persons that do nothing but turn others off of it.

Ok, I've said more then I wanted. I know for sure that it does no good to carry this on. There are people with certain and obvious personality disorders, and going on and on with them simply accomplishes nothing. You will never ever get through to them. Literally.

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Hard as it is to believe Zina, BG will bet you a Candyball male Ball Python(or a normal) that if you ever met him....you would finally "get it" and like the egomaniac. So....you should "care to" meet him in the future.:gj:

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So now you're begging for BG to continue to be a "fool" and debate with you. 1-800-Doctors may help you.

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Neil, I'm not going to trade barbs with you. If you want to discuss this matter intellectually fine, but please stop trying to bait me into an argument. I'm not going to lower myself to that adolescent level.

I will ask you once more, what national or internation laws has Japan violated?

Jim Smith

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Hard as it is to believe Zina, BG will bet you a Candyball male Ball Python(or a normal) that if you ever met him....you would finally "get it" and like the egomaniac. So....you should "care to" meet him in the future.:gj:

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Care to make that same bet with me? ;)

Jim Smith

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Neil, I'm not going to trade barbs with you. If you want to discuss this matter intellectually fine, but please stop trying to bait me into an argument. I'm not going to lower myself to that adolescent level.

I will ask you once more, what national or internation laws has Japan violated?

Jim Smith

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1-800-Doctors.

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Care to make that same bet with me? ;)

Jim Smith

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BG knows who to make a bet with and who not to. He can tell a closed mind when he reads one.:P

Also, BG wouldn't want to meet that shotgun under your pillow/bed/closet/fridge/dresser/rug...or the six guns you carry wherever you go just in case you may come across an animal/BG you want to shoot.:D

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1-800-Doctors.

BG knows who to make a bet with and who not to. He can tell a closed mind when he reads one.:P

Also, BG wouldn't want to meet that shotgun under your pillow/bed/closet/fridge/dresser/rug...or the six guns you carry wherever you go just in case you may come across an animal/BG you want to shoot.:D

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Come on Neil. Please leave the 1-800-DOCTORS stuff alone. Lets discuss this like two rational adults. I am not trolling for Neil, I want to discuss this matter with facts and leave opinion aside.

What national or international laws have Japan violated in regard to whaling and/or dolphin fishing?

And why would you think I would be carrying a firearm when we met? Furthermore, why would you think you would be in danger if we met?
Have I given any indication that I would be anythiing but cordial?

Could I have possibly met you at Daytona this year, or maybe Hamburg?
I wonder. Maybe we have already met....yes, I do believe we did! But I digress.

Please for the last time, would you agree to discuss this matter as adults with facts?

Jim Smith

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two rational adults.

Please for the last time,

Jim Smith

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Does anyone see "two rational adults" here? Does anyone see one?:D

Big Gunns has set the line at 10 more "times". So what you guys got?:D

It seems you have been stricken by the dreaded BG OCD.:D It's very common and only has one cure. Turn off the computer. Prove BG wrong Smitty.:D

Aww thank you Jim...not quite w him through the 24 years but at times it sure felt like it. Though I think you give me waaaaaaayyyy to much credit....:rolleyes: Zina I wish you all the luck sister....please let me know if there is anything I can do ....even if you just want to vent to someone that gets it!!;) Feel free to PM me and anytime you need to call....I'm there.


Mike....I dunno...your pretty nice too...lol...(even though you try to play not so...):P

Denial......(totally off topic) where are those pics of your hot lil cobra? She has got to be all grown up.

Ok Im done going off subject...carry on with the debate. I like how it is turning into such a mature discussion...or trying at least...:D

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Aww thank you Jim...not quite w him through the 24 years but at times it sure felt like it. Though I think you give me waaaaaaayyyy to much credit....:rolleyes: Zina I wish you all the luck sister....please let me know if there is anything I can do ....even if you just want to vent to someone that gets it!!;) Feel free to PM me and anytime you need to call....I'm there.


Mike....I dunno...your pretty nice too...lol...(even though you try to play not so...):P

Denial......(totally off topic) where are those pics of your hot lil cobra? She has got to be all grown up.

Ok Im done going off subject...carry on with the debate. I like how it is turning into such a mature discussion...or trying at least...:D

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Looks more like a bunch of people hijacking Big Gunns thread to him.:taz::taz::taz::taz:;):D

:please: so sorry.....

Carry on with the avoidance....:P tee heee heeee....just giving you a hard time...:bolt:




:wuv: thats my cute face so you don't rip me now, just imagine it NOT in green.....:gj:

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Does anyone see "two rational adults" here? Does anyone see one?:D

Big Gunns has set the line at 10 more "times". So what you guys got?:D

It seems you have been stricken by the dreaded BG OCD.:D It's very common and only has one cure. Turn off the computer. Prove BG wrong Smitty.:D

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I can only assume by your lack of an an answer to my questions, that Japan is in fact, not violating any national or international laws in regard to whaling or dolphin fishing..

So please tell me what your SSC is doing? Tell me is who is acting illegally?

BTW, I've been inoculated against the BG bug.

Jim Smith

Not exactly 100% on topic, but still pertaining to Sea sheperd.
Besides the fact that they are "eco terrorists" one of the primary reason I dislike sea shepard is this article:http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-...-100821-1.html I enjoy keeping fish almost as much as herps and I don't belive we should be endorsing an organization that wants to take away our right to own most any pet.

That is all.

Yes, the more I read about this group the more I liken them to a WET PETA.

Jim Smith

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Clearly(BG loves saying that) those things are not "legal". Your sickness is so deep in your bones you don't get what BG is saying. You ask what Japan is doing that is illegal. BG's answer was "whaling". Now that can be argued BG agrees, but BG believes it is. However there is an argument from both sides...... BG will agree with you on that. Does this help you with your sickness at all?



In 1986 the IWC declared a moratorium on whaling. Japan is a member. Now since the IWC doesn't really have any "authority" to enforce it. It could be viewed that Japan doesn't have to abide by it. So whether or not they are "technically" breaking the "law" would need to be settled in court somewhere. Japan likes to say they say they are doing "scientific research". We both know that's crap Smitty. You can keep arguing this, but it's kinda useless. You think what you want...and BG will think what he wants. Can we at least agree to disagree?

Don't you have a home fire drill to do or something?:D

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I can only assume by your lack of an an answer to my questions, that Japan is in fact, not violating any national or international laws in regard to whaling or dolphin fishing..

So please tell me what your SSC is doing? Tell me is who is acting illegally?

BTW, I've been inoculated against the BG bug.

Jim Smith

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As you can "clearly" see Big Gunns answered your question 4 PAGES AGO. Just because you didn't like BG's answer, does that mean he has to say it 100000000000000times? "Only a fool argues with someone who knows they're right"....and only a ***fill in blank***** continues to try.....over...and over....and over....and over...and over....and over....and over....and over....and over.....and over.....and over......and over......and over......and over......and over.....and over.....until infinity....AND BEYOND!!!!!!!!!

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Not exactly 100% on topic, but still pertaining to Sea sheperd.
Besides the fact that they are "eco terrorists" one of the primary reason I dislike sea shepard is this article:http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-...-100821-1.html I enjoy keeping fish almost as much as herps and I don't belive we should be endorsing an organization that wants to take away our right to own most any pet.

That is all.

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Obviously they are not for everyone, and BG totally gets that.

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Yes, the more I read about this group the more I liken them to a WET PETA.

Jim Smith

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Remember everyone BG put the over under at 10. This is two. There's still time to get your bets in. BG is thinking of raising it to 1000 though.:D

That better Liz?????:D

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Fish or sea shepard?

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Fish or sea shepard?

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Both.:gj:

Neil, you said whaling, but what whaling laws. That's what I was looking for. But we can forget about that part, since you do recongnize that they really aren't violating any national or international laws, just Neil Gunns laws.

But onto the dolphin fishing taking place in Japan, in Japanese territorial waters, within the land and law of the Japanese government.

So, by your own account, they aren't violating any dolphin fishing laws. Why is the SSC group and Neil Gunn interfering with law abiding Japanese citizens doing their job?

Japanese government officials have defended the right to hunt dolphins.
"There are some countries that eat cows, and there are other countries that eat whales or dolphins," Yutaka Aoki, fisheries division director at Japan's Foreign Ministry, told the AP.

So why are you calling the kettle black? How much beef do you personally eat every year Neil Gunn? This is okay in your culture, but eating beef is a religious travesty for other in the world. In fact, cattle are only raised for consumption. There are no wild groups of cattle, so this entire group of animal is NOW used to feed your culture. Just think what other cultures could say about that.


I do have one question for you abuot illegal dolphin fishing. Why isn't your precious SSC group going to Peru, where almost as many dolpins are killed each year and it is ILLEGAL to fish for dolphins. Why Japan, where it is still legal. We won't even talk about the Faroe Island or the Solomon's Island.

I also think that it's conveniently forgotten that there is a fishing season in Japan. Dolphins are not harvested 24/7 365. There is a quota that is established by the Japanese government. Did you know that these dolphin fishermen DO return a number of dolphins to the sea? Not all dolphins that are caught are harvested.


Jim Smith

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Neil, you said whaling, but what whaling laws. That's what I was looking for. But we can forget about that part, since you do recongnize that they really aren't violating any national or international laws, just Neil Gunns laws.

But onto the dolphin fishing taking place in Japan, in Japanese territorial waters, within the land and law of the Japanese government.

So, by your own account, they aren't violating any dolphin fishing laws. Why is the SSC group and Neil Gunn interfering with law abiding Japanese citizens doing their job?

Japanese government officials have defended the right to hunt dolphins.
"There are some countries that eat cows, and there are other countries that eat whales or dolphins," Yutaka Aoki, fisheries division director at Japan's Foreign Ministry, told the AP.

So why are you calling the kettle black? How much beef do you personally eat every year Neil Gunn? This is okay in your culture, but eating beef is a religious travesty for other in the world. In fact, cattle are only raised for consumption. There are no wild groups of cattle, so this entire group of animal is NOW used to feed your culture. Just think what other cultures could say about that.


I do have one question for you abuot illegal dolphin fishing. Why isn't your precious SSC group going to Peru, where almost as many dolpins are killed each year and it is ILLEGAL to fish for dolphins. Why Japan, where it is still legal. We won't even talk about the Faroe Island or the Solomon's Island.

I also think that it's conveniently forgotten that there is a fishing season in Japan. Dolphins are not harvested 24/7 365. There is a quota that is established by the Japanese government. Did you know that these dolphin fishermen DO return a number of dolphins to the sea? Not all dolphins that are caught are harvested.


Jim Smith

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This is 3.;) This BG OCD has got to be hard on family members. It's hard enough on the staff here, but family members must really be going nuts when they have loved ones affected.:D

BG will say this though to your last 2 sentences. Did you forget that BG was there? Big Gunns knows 1000 times more than you what's really going on. Do some more research...BG had a blog. BG is glad you're doing your research though, and now you know that some Bottlenose(only them) are released after witnessing most of their family slaughtered. Glad to see you've taken the time to do some research.:gj:

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This is 3.;) This BG OCD has got to be hard on family members. It's hard enough on the staff here, but family members must really be going nuts when they have loved ones affected.:D

BG will say this though to your last 2 sentences. Did you forget that BG was there? Big Gunns knows 1000 times more than you what's really going on. Do some more research...BG had a blog. BG is glad you're doing your research though, and now you know that some Bottlenose(only them) are released after witnessing most of their family slaughtered. Glad to see you've taken the time to do some research.:gj:

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You have the ability to overlook what you can't defend and key on some obscure inner message that only you get.

If you have nothing constructive to add to this conversation, goodbye.

Jim Smith

Are some people blind...or are they just blinded with BG OCD? Even Big Gunns can't be everywhere, but it sure looks like SS tries to be.

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-...-101109-1.html

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You have the ability to overlook what you can't defend and key on some obscure inner message that only you get.

If you have nothing constructive to add to this conversation, goodbye.

Jim Smith

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This is 4. Just in case you were not aware of how bad you are. Maybe you'll listen to Einstein. BG doubts it though.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...ins133991.html

I'm not going to read through this entire thread, but I just have to say that even though I love watching the croc hunter and Steve Irwin's stuff was tons of fun, he was far from a god and he had positions and opinions that were not mine.

I'm capable of thinking for myself, and just because someone as good as Steve Irwin supports something controversial doesn't mean I agree with it.

Steve disagreed with keeping native australian animals in private collections (not including zoos). He also disagreed with native australian animals being used for food. Ever eaten kangaroo or saltwater croc? Both are delicious and farmed in ways more sustainable and green than any other meat in the world.

Two direct examples of positions I disagree with.

We can disagree and still be friendly or even admire others.