droid (os) vs iphone vs blackberry

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Originally Posted by waltah!

Mobile Me is about $100 a year. Not worth it in my book. The other features offered by mobile defense like the password protected alarm is unique to it so it does have featurea that Mobile Me doesn't.

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I was reading that there is the potential they are going to offer it for free. I tried the trial version but didn't really use it to the extent I could have. I liked the added security. You can wipe your phone, pass-code lock it and also send it a text message, you are also able to locate your phone on a map. They also give you an email address, an online GUI to access your mailbox as well, a place to store your pictures online as well in the "cloud".

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Originally Posted by ericzerka24

Actually your wrong. The Iphone has something very similar except maybe even a little better. With mobile me, you can trace where your phone is using gps right from your computer. You can lock it up or delete everything right from your home. If the person that stole it tries turning it off, you can turn it on from your computer.

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Mobile Defense does all that as well for FREE! As well as being able to sound an alert from the phone that sounds like a car alarm that can't be turned off without a password that YOU decide when you send it. You can even send a text message to the phone while the alarm goes off that pops up that says whatever you want like "thanks for stealing my phone!" or "I know who you are, and you have my phone!" (or whatever message you want to send) :D

It can also be used to help you locate your phone if you've mis-placed it and can't find it (by sounding the alarm).

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I do think that company's that produce the Hardware should also produce the software OS for that hardware. One of the main complaints and long standing problems PC's (even though I own several PC's) is that Windows try's to accommodate the requirements for hundreds of different makers with thousands of different versions and tens of thousands of different types of the same thing.Any time a new peice of harware comes out you have to wait for Microsoft to release a patch or a new driver so that it will work on your PC, or that newer versions of Windows don't run older (3-5 years old) Hardware properly. One of the things that makes Apple Products more reliable (simply from a technical stand point) is the fat that they don't have to do that.. Apple doesn't have to try and wright a software that will drive millions of different configurations of millions of different pieces of hardware.

Apple knows that their OS will run any apple platform why because they only had to focus on one platform.. When to look at an apple they offer very little in the way of customization, HD size, 1-3 different speeds of the same processor, 1 of 2 different Optical drives and that's about it..


Are they flawless NO.. But does a company that designs every aspect of a produce to work flawless with the other is far more able to focus on fine tuneing their product insead of fixing major flaws. Car makers have done this for years.. While many GM parts are interchangeable with in other GM products, you can't expect a Chevy starter moter and a Ford Intake to work on a Gm plateform..

If a PC company would focus on this exact thing wright a Windows-ish OS with similar GUI and design hardware and software to compliment each other then they could quickly out run Microsoft.

just my two cents

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This is what a former iPhone devotee wrote about the difference between the iPhone and the Incredible on http://www.androidforums.com

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Originally Posted by blake247

To the original poster, remind your iPhone "friends"...

The Incredible features...

• 1GHZ Snapdragon (This thing is fast!!)
  
• 8 Megapixel Camera w/Autofocus, Flash and video capture (Check out the pic i took today)
  
• Google Maps (Better implementation on the Incredible)
  
• That silly little thing called multi-tasking.
  
• Out of the box turn by turn directions w/voice. iPhone...no.
  
• Google Translation (This is a free app and holy crap...it rocks! Speak a phrase and it's translated via text AND speech!)
  
• Speech to Text Integration (I can dictate notes, enter website addresses, perform searches, send texts and find videos on youtube by speaking.)
  
• Widgets! (I love the bookmarks, calendar and friends feed widgets!)
  
• Expandable memory
  
• 3.7″ WVGA OLED capacitive display. (Compare how photos and/or websites look.)
  
• Flash Lite Support
  
• Live Wallpapers
  
• Ability to tether
• Facebook integration (The address book allows you to link your contacts to their Facebook profiles or Flickr accounts so that the information they share with friends on those profiles - maybe their birthday, home number or private e-mail address - gets wrapped into the contacts card.)
• Scenes (Sense)
• Replaceable Battery
• Better implementation of notifications

And this is coming from an Apple fanboy! I have four macs, an Apple TV, two iPhones (3G & 3GS) and Mac mini. I had little faith in the Incredible and figured it was just another piss poor attempt to topple the iPhone. I was wrong. The Incredible truly kicks ass.

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Originally Posted by piper

I was reading that there is the potential they are going to offer it for free. I tried the trial version but didn't really use it to the extent I could have. I liked the added security. You can wipe your phone, pass-code lock it and also send it a text message, you are also able to locate your phone on a map. They also give you an email address, an online GUI to access your mailbox as well, a place to store your pictures online as well in the "cloud".

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Well free would definitely make it more attractive. The Cloud storage is good in theory, but it's a pain to actually use. If you've loaded a movie for example and you have to pause it to do something else on the phone you have to start it from the beginning when you go back into it. The email address they give you ends up just being used to receive news from Apple most of the time as most people don't want to switch to a new email. You can't access MobileMe from all browsers, either. It doesn't work on IE, for example which is all I can use at work.
The phone location is cool, but when I tried it once for kicks it was accurate to within 1.6 miles using a 3GS so it wouldn't be much help if stolen.
Motorola offers the same thing on their MotoBlur devices that I tried and it was accurate to within 44 yards.

I use a BB and I actually manage them (about 15 users) for a small business. Although there isn't much software for it, I'm pretty happy with it.

At this moment, on a business level, BB dominates market share because of it's ease of management and pretty damn smooth integration with Microsoft Exchange. However, Apple is making serious headway, and in fact, the upper management (meaning the president/CEO and another executive) are looking at switching to iPhones once they come to Verizon. btw... If anyone uses their iPhone with their work email and want to talk to me about it, let me know :P

I've never used a Palm, but they have NO market share and little software developed. Never used an Android either.

For home/non business users (most people), iPhone is really nice because of all the available software.




Actually you can do this with BB's for free without 3rd party software. All versions of Blackberry Enterprise Server have remote kills, and (just released 1-2 months ago) is a 100% free version, "Blackberry Enterprise Server Express"

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Originally Posted by rabernet

You DO think this, or you DON'T? I don't think that they should be - that makes it too closed.

You are welcome to play with my Incredible - as long as you promise to give it back!

Here's something that you can do with Android that you can't do with Blackberry or iPhone - https://www.mobiledefense.com/session/new

Anyone steals your phone and changes the SIM card on the phone, it will e-mail you their name and phone number. You can also send a password protected alarm to the phone (meaning they can't turn it off) and remotely lock the phone with this application. It ROCKS!

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Depends on the day :P

I have a nexus one and a Jailbroken/unlocked Iphone 2g, both on T-mobile, I switch back and forth depending on how I'm feeling that day.

blackberry is the best for corp stuff, thats about it.

Personally I prefer my nexus, I am trying to decide whether or not to get rid of my iphone because I hate jobs much LOL! Only reason I even got it was because I wanted to learn to jailbreak/unlock it.

Hacking things like that is a hobby of mine. :P

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Originally Posted by rabernet

You DO think this, or you DON'T? I don't think that they should be - that makes it too closed.

You are welcome to play with my Incredible - as long as you promise to give it back!

Here's something that you can do with Android that you can't do with Blackberry or iPhone - https://www.mobiledefense.com/session/new

Anyone steals your phone and changes the SIM card on the phone, it will e-mail you their name and phone number. You can also send a password protected alarm to the phone (meaning they can't turn it off) and remotely lock the phone with this application. It ROCKS!

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I'll have to double check but I believe there is an iphone app that does exactly that. Its just not an Itunes app :P

sorry for the double post

K So I sat down and read the whole thread instead of just the last two pages.

to the guy that said he jailbroke his iphone and bricked it.... I think you mean it got stuck and you restored it because you didn't know how to fix it. Bricking something means that it is just that... A brick, it can't be fixed. By deffinition iphones are unbrickable because of the restore option. Not trying to be rude, just pointing out a fact.

What Jailbreaking/Unlocking does :

Jailbreaking an Iphone allows it to run on T-mobile... At&t and t-mobile have a similar baseband. when you jailbreak the iphone it allows it to be used on t-mobiles network. =P

Unlocking an Iphone allows you to use 3rd party apps. There are a TON of apps and modifications that can be done to the iphone through the cydia network. Basically cydia is itunes with out Steves psyco controlfreak rules (also no music). Cydia apps have tons of stuff! Inculding things to change the background of your iphone, your fonts, springboard res, tethering, multi-tasking. Heck theres even a beta flash out there.

Android still has the lead :)

Jailbroken Iphone>Droid

Currently using a Motorola Droid and I have to say the android operating system is awesome!!!!!!! I was using a blackberry tour before I purchased my Droid, I loved the blackberry too but I read about how much customization you can do to an android phone and I was sold. Currently, my Droid is rooted and I'm running a red theme with options for overclocking the cpu, these sites www.droid-life.com & www.droidforums.net have tons of info, tutorials and tips........

on my droid eris the only problem i am having is that when i check a text, the notification dosen't go away :( oh well i will get it figuered out :)

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Originally Posted by dc1

on my droid eris the only problem i am having is that when i check a text, the notification dosen't go away :( oh well i will get it figuered out :)

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If your Eris is like the Incredible - there's a status bar at the top. Drag your finger from the top of the screen down in order to open it - then choose "clear" to clear all your notifications. :)

I see them like this they both offer some great features and both have things the other doesn't..when I choose a phone I buy from a company that I have had good sucess with their products.

P.S.. Yes I'm on the list for the iPhone 4 32gb :D

i have a blackberry with nextel direct connect.. the proceesor is SLOW. i do like the apps on it and can get alerts from work immediatly. But I want the new giant screen Droid from sprint. Anyone have one of those? please let me know if its any good.

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Originally Posted by JeffD

i have a blackberry with nextel direct connect.. the proceesor is SLOW. i do like the apps on it and can get alerts from work immediatly. But I want the new giant screen Droid from sprint. Anyone have one of those? please let me know if its any good.

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Jeff, it really boils down to whether Sprint has good coverage in your area or not. Very few areas actually have 4G, but you'll still pay for the data access ($10 a month) whether your area has 4G or not.

Droid is what Verizon calls their Android phones, not Sprint - the phone you're referring to is HTC EVO. If it was carried by Verizon, then it would be called a Droid EVO.

You can visit http://www.androidforums.com and read some reviews there - the biggest complaint I've read is battery life - some reporting as little as 4 hours.

It's funny that George Lucas actually licensed the Droid name to Verizon as he owns it. The EVO is a pretty amazing phone. I'd love to have that screen size, myself.

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Originally Posted by JeffD

i have a blackberry with nextel direct connect.. the proceesor is SLOW. i do like the apps on it and can get alerts from work immediatly. But I want the new giant screen Droid from sprint. Anyone have one of those? please let me know if its any good.

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The HTC Evo? It is very nice. Very quick response and beautiful design. My roommate has one and I played around with it for a few hours.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

If your Eris is like the Incredible - there's a status bar at the top. Drag your finger from the top of the screen down in order to open it - then choose "clear" to clear all your notifications. :)

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ya somtimes it clears automatically but lately it hasnt. but not only does the notification bar still show new message, it had the track ball still doing its lil thing...

i had an iphone for a few months and i hated it because of at&t, always had dropped calls, took forever to connect and as soon as my 3g signal went down a bar or too it became incredibly slow!! ive had my moto droid for a couple of months now and i dont know how i could live without it. ever since the incredible showed up on tv commercials and stuff ive been feening for it real bad but since im not eligible for an upgrade it would cost me a lot to buy the phone so i bought open home app for $4.32 and downloaded a free HTC HERO theme and i feel like i got a brand new phone:) TAKE THAT IPHONE!!

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Originally Posted by zackw419

Jailbroken Iphone>Droid

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that can be argued! :P

Here's the way I look at it the guy that is behind the Droid left Apple after the iPhone, taking with him the knowledge of where that company is heading with that device. He simply jumped the gun and beat them to the punch on alot of things.

But devices have their pro's and con's but I think as far as design goes I'm an iPhone guy. Could I be change to a Droid user.. sure as soon and they introduce something inovative where the User Interface in concerned. Oh that and they start having the ability to have a Native iTune's platform. :D

I'll trade Flash adds on webpages anyday for access to my iTunes content.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Here's the way I look at it the guy that is behind the Droid left Apple after the iPhone, taking with him the knowledge of where that company is heading with that device. He simply jumped the gun and beat them to the punch on alot of things.

But devices have their pro's and con's but I think as far as design goes I'm an iPhone guy. Could I be change to a Droid user.. sure as soon and they introduce something inovative where the User Interface in concerned. Oh that and they start having the ability to have a Native iTune's platform. :D

I'll trade Flash adds on webpages anyday for access to my iTunes content.

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They already have - widgets, TRUE multi-tasking, not just on certain apps that Apple approves, open source - the list goes on and on! :P

If you really are coming to Repticon Atlanta, you'll get to play with my phone and see! :P

I'll leave you with these comments from other users. :D

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And as others pointed out, your missing KEY features here.

1.) True multitasking. Not selective multitasking that apple approves.

2.) We can send and receive phone calls, reliably.

3.) Network. Both vzw and sprint greatly surpass the at$t network.

4.) I can wifi tether.

5.) I can replace the home screen, ui, anything I like. The way I want it. Try that on an iphone.

6.) Widgets. I get facebook streams, my media streams, etc, all at the convienence of my homescreen.

7.) Rooting won't kill you warranty, and google won't kill your phone for doing so. (Like apple does with jailbreaking)

8.) Apple can uninstall an app from your iphone remotely. Google cant /won't.

9.) If I want to test an app I wrote, I can. Without submitting it for approval.

10.) If I want to distribute an app outside of market, I'm allowed to do so.

11.) Android is more developer friendly, which is already leading to a better choice of apps for android.

Not to mention other extras as expandable swappable memory & battiers. And not having to worry about connecting my phone to itunes or using overpriced proprietary cables.

Evo & inc > iphone4

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Nice to see Apple playing catch up. I had a look at the big features they touted at the release and none of them seem more compelling than the ones my Incredible (which should be fresh off the assembly line by now...slowly making its way to a FedEx box) offers.

Cameras - 5MP camera in the back - OK thats nice, nothing special. I've seen shots from both, and I think the Incredible takes better pictures. Plus you can focus on certain spots by touching the spot you want. Flash? Cool. I have 2. Front camera? You can use it for self portraits, but who wants a VGA size portrait of themselves? 13 year old girls have been turning cameras around and taking pictures of themselves for years. iMovie for iPhone? That would suck. I don't want to edit a movie on my phone. If I'm actually making something worth editing, I'll do it on my computer where i can see better and work faster. HD video? One of like three iPhone 4 features that I actually will miss on the Inc.

FaceTime - This doesn't seem desirable. You either have to hold the phone way up in front of your face, or the other person looks up your nostrils. Think about the way you hold your phone when you use it. If you're standing up, you're usually holding it by your belt buckle. Why would I want someone I'm video chatting to get the view my girlfriend gets of me when we're alone? I'd hold my arm up and that gets old quick (lazy? yes.). Plus that probably kills battery like nothing else. If I actually want to video chat, I'll want to be doing something else in the background. When I Skype people from my computer, I'm always looking at other stuff in the background. It's just like regular phone calls. When you can't work on something or look up something in the background during the call, it kinda blows.

"Retina Screen": Okay, that's cool. I don't think it'll be that noticible over the Incredible. I did some math, we've got about 250 pixels/inch. Sounds cool, but the "retina screen" isn't that much better that the Incredible's... nothing too special.

iBookstore - not interested. I don't read books anyway. Is anyone else getting sick of the iPoop? iAds, iOS4, iBooks, iPod, iPad, iPhone, iMovie, iPhoto, iLife, iWork, iTunes, iMsickofstuffbeingnamedthisway. It was great for a while, when it was just the iPod and the iPhone, but now it's gone too far. Product names are cool. My phone is(will be eventually) called the Incredible. There's the Mustang. The Camaro. The Corvette. All of those names are better than iPhone. Like who would buy an iCar?

Multitasking? I like the implementation better, with the dock you can switch apps from, but this almost levels the playing field with Android. It's not quite as good because only certain apps can run in the background.

Home Screen - Oh boy, wallpapers and folders. We've had that for a while, along with widgets and live wallpapers.

Search - Not as good (I don't think?). I know the search button on the Incredible will search Google, but will it also search the phone? That would be a nice feature.

Battery - Apple claims that it lasts a really long time, but Apple's claims are always BS. Plus, the Incredible can probably match the real life performance of the iPhone with an extended battery. And then you can swap batteries and keep on going.

Maps & Compass - Free navigation on the Incredible. Enough said.

Processor - Advantage Incredible.

2 Mics - This could help. I feel like it wouldn't do much for me, because I usually have a hat on, and my hair is down to my ears and it's pretty thick. Plus, what if it's windy and that mic picks up wind interference? I don't want it to try to cancel the sound from that. I've never had a problem hearing people on the phone before, so I don't think this is necessary. If you're somewhere that you actually can't hear the person you're talking to, you're probably not in an appropriate place to make a call. And noise cancellation won't help at a concert. What would be better is cancellation of ambient noise around you for the sounds you transmit, so people won't be able to hear it if you're driving or something. From what i've read, it doesn't appear that the iPhone does this.

Design - The only thing I prefer about the iPhone's design is its dedicated silent mode button. But I really hate the whole way that the iPhone OS handles sound anyway - ringer volume and music volume should be separate. You don't need that many steps for ringer volume, and you usually want the ringer to be at least as loud as the music you're playing. Anyway, design. The new iPhone is ugly. I don't like the completely flat back, or the stainless band that goes around the phone. The buttons look stupid now too. Same with the white face. There'll be at least a 10:1 ratio of black to white iPhones sold. But the whole phone looks kinda stupid. Also, it's 2mm thinner than the Incredible. It's also about two mm thicker than my iTouch. I don't like the iTouch without a case because it feels TOO thin. Just my personal preference I guess.

The Apps argument for the iPhone is dying slowly. It has more apps than Android, but I can't find something that there is no app for on Android, but one for the iPhone. Just because the Android Marketplace doesn't have 200 different bowling applications doesn't mean it's worse. I do wish Google would moderate the apps.

And wow that was long. Just kinda kept going maybe some of you will actually read this haha. Just my thoughts after reading the WWDC notes

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I think that if I went back to an Android device I would go for the Nexus One. It's the true Google phone experience, and it will always get updated first. I like the Sense User Interface, but updates will always take much longer to hit those devices.

The two new Moto's that are coming in July and August both (apparently) have Motoblur/Ninja running. I'm so disappointed, I really have come to appreciate vanilla Android, I'm not a fan of UI skins. I'd much rather pick my own widgets etc., without any help.
I guess I will be saving a few dollars 'cause I'm not running out to get a Doid 2 now.

which smart phone has the best battery under normal useage though? I think my battery is not that great, but with an app killer, I get far superior battery life than before I started using that app. And the new moto droid x is cool but i will probly never own a phone that has a slide out/fold out keyboard ever again.... touch screens are just getting to accurate with touch! But then again kinda hard for a person with fat fingers like me :D

Got a Mac air, iPhone, and iPad. I'm all set.

Somehow I don't miss flash nor silverlight. And I read books. A lot. The backlit iPad screen is so much better on my poor eyesight. Battery life is awesome. I was reading a book for 4 days on the iPad before the thing finally died. Even with several push notifications.

Got the easytether lite on my phone now!!!!! HOLY WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! its amazing and best part its free.... ITS FASTER THAN MY DSL!!!!!!!!!! ima love this on road trips..... sooooo freaking sweet, same thing as the pdanet thing but free.... just cant access https sites which is okay with me :) :) :) :) :)

I have to say android, I'm using my cliq write right now to type this message

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Originally Posted by waltah!

I think that if I went back to an Android device I would go for the Nexus One. It's the true Google phone experience, and it will always get updated first. I like the Sense User Interface, but updates will always take much longer to hit those devices.

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what about an htc aria?

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Originally Posted by dc1

what about an htc aria?

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lol, well I couldn't hold off on getting another phone of course so I picked up an Aria on launch day. I really love it. It's smaller than most of the other devices talked about here and that's not a bad thing. The battery is excellent and at the end of my day I still have tons of life left. It's faster moving through menus and Sense UI than the Snapdragon powered Evo. It's honestly deceptively fast and I tried everything to bog it down and it never slowed.
I think that the speed is what surprises people. Mulitouch is flawless in my usage as well. The external speaker is kinda weak for music, but that hasn't bothered me. Video playback for streaming and off of sd card look fantastic. The gps connects super fast and holds well. Google maps navigation is really great for free. I actually use the mic button and speak most of my texts and email since it's easier than typing and it very rarely makes an error.
The Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S) is coming out most likely at the end of July so that will probably be my next phone.

My Incredible became even more Incredible when I just loaded the new Droid X multi-touch keyboard on my phone tonight!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

My Incredible became even more Incredible when I just loaded the new Droid X multi-touch keyboard on my phone tonight!

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I am just about to get that!

Just got the HTC EVO.......Love it

Just ordered a Blackberry 8530.

Starter smart phone .. upgrade from the LG Banter I have now

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Originally Posted by rabernet

My Incredible became even more Incredible when I just loaded the new Droid X multi-touch keyboard on my phone tonight!

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I watched a video of it and I really had a hard time seeing the amazing feature.... could you please fill us in on it :gj:

I Love Android!!