What gets your Goat on the forums?

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Originally Posted by JLC

Oh...one really big thing that gets under my skin....probably faster than anything else....

...is when some folks make off-the-wall wild-assed assumptions about the staff's reasons or motivations behind some of the decisions we make or actions we take around here. Stuff comes out of left-field that has absolutely no basis in reality, but is spoken as if it is some sort of absolute truth. When the integrity of the staff is openly questioned for no other reason than because someone doesn't like something we said or did.... :no: Yeah....that'll get me revved up. :irkd:

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That's it i have my new hero ! We should all HAIL - JLC :) where is that stick :banana:

Goat-stealers get my goats.

Get your own stupid goats. -_-;;;

No but seriously. Rudeness, I guess mostly, but I try not to let anything really bother me. It's online, it's impersonal, posts have no tone (imagine if they did!) so lots of things can generally be misinterpreted. -shrug- Life's too short to always dwell on negative things and being negative to other people. I'd rather spend time doing other more worthwhile things.

People who ask questions or tell stories with long, drawn out, run on sentences. Try as I may I can't force myself to read them

on a side note, this is an insanely popular thread. Feels good to belly-ache a little I guess haha

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

I hate when people ask a question and then seem to argue with people if the answer isnt exactly what they wanted. Makes me want to strangle them for asking in the first place if they are not going to listen.

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OMG....ditto...ditto...ditto

While trying to think of something witty to say, I realized I hate when that's all people try to do.
Oh wait, I do that.

What get's my goat is when people aren't willing to admit their own mistakes. Hey, after all those "is this normal a Morph" threads, I realized, even though they are annoying and repetitive, I thought my 50% Poss. Het Caramel Ball Python was a 'Morph' when I got it. :rolleyes:

We were all there once, right?

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Seems like there are a few things that happen on the internet in forums that make people annoyed, upset...

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#1 upset: Using the Lord's name like a cuss word and having it be acceptable here. That's when I started participating here less.

#1 annoyance: People who refuse (as opposed to being unaware of it) to use the wonderful Search function here, but need every piece of info handed to them on a plate; the "cater to me" attitude.

High-and-mighty, holier-than-thou attitudes in general. The hobby is supposed to be for fun. How can people be so impatient and condescending when they're apparently discussing something they really enjoy?

Also, I understand that some people like to spoil their animals, but I feel a lot of the time people forget that the main reason ball pythons are so wildly popular is that they are low-maintenance and quite hardy. I'm sick of seeing replies like "If you're not prepared to buy the helix thermostat/digital weighing scale/go to an exotics vet because you heard its breathing hiss once, you probably should have thought twice about owning a ball python". The vast majority of people respond appropriately, but somehow on every 'help me' thread, there's always at least one like that. That's a bit on the extreme side. People who honestly have those kinds of spending habits wont be owning pets for long. XD You can't solve every problem by throwing money at it, and if you can it should be a last resort.

My number one pet peeve is when people come into a thread, state something as though it's the truth and when questioned we find out that their second cousin on their mother's side's sister's boyfriend was drunk one night and told them this was a fact and they accepted it as so and now share it with others.

In short... stating misinformation as fact.

My other pet peeve... people who believe whatever they read without understanding that GOOGLE IS THEIR FRIEND and they can (and should) check it out before believing what they just read!

I forgot one... It bugs me when after a paragraph or sentence ppl type " That being said". It doesnt seem logical to type something out and then type "That being said". I know what was being said cuz I read it...

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Originally Posted by iCandiBallPythons

I forgot one... It bugs me when after a paragraph or sentence ppl type " That being said". It doesnt seem logical to type something out and then type "That being said". I know what was being said cuz I read it...

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That being said.... I cannot stand when someone posts an answer to a question and then six people post the same exact thing with nothing more to add..... whats the point in that?

The only thing that REALLY bothers me personally on the forums is when someone gets smart with me in a post or gives me a smart aleck remark when it is uncalled for. Joking around is 100% fine but trying to be rude or ignorant towards me when it is not justified is about the only thing that really bothers me...

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

Ignorance, blatant stupidity, and......3rd person talk.

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YES!!!


Me: " 'Is my normal a morph?' is a newbie thread"
Them: "well I'm not a newbie so don't assume that I don't know anything about BP morphs" :rolleyes:

Some people are just ignorant, and some people just want to make everyone else feel as pitiful as they are.

Oh and when people argue and argue with you even though they have nothing to back up their claims.

And finally when a newbie asks a question and highly active users have very rude comments or advice. There's no need for that! Is this not a site 'devoted to helping the new herp keeper'? The "friendliest one" in fact? I always find myself PMing those newbies who received very rude comments as soon as they joined and telling them this is a great site and I have no idea why so and so found it necessary to make such and such comment. *sigh*

be nice to noobs!

when people get bashed because they dont know that much about snakes yet

i think that anyone that is on this site, obviously cares enough about thier snake to learn, help a noob out!

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Originally Posted by Isis

I always find myself PMing those newbies who received very rude comments as soon as they joined and telling them this is a great site and I have no idea why so and so found it necessary to make such and such comment. *sigh*

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Interesting.

Rather hubric of you and somewhat unappreciated by me.

Heh.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Interesting.

Rather hubric of you and somewhat unappreciated by me.

Heh.

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By the way it's hubris or hubristic in that case

And it's not so much self pride as it is pride for this website. Like I said there is no need for self proclaimed experts to be rude to newbies because they don't have time to answer such a petty question. This site was created for newbies and if you scroll to the top of every page it says, and I quote "the friendliest online community for all your herping needs". If we're rude to someone right off the bat we're going to lose members. This site has a lot to offer and I'd hate for someone to leave when they need advice just because someone took the time to be rude.

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Originally Posted by Isis

By the way it's hubris or hubristic in that case

And it's not so much self pride as it is pride for this website. Like I said there is no need for self proclaimed experts to be rude to newbies because they don't have time to answer such a petty question. This site was created for newbies and if you scroll to the top of every page it says, and I quote "the friendliest online community for all your herping needs". If we're rude to someone right off the bat we're going to lose members. This site has a lot to offer and I'd hate for someone to leave when they need advice just because someone took the time to be rude.

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I often make up words that suit my needs.

I must have missed the election that put you in your position of Politeness Enforcer.

I will kindly ask that should you think I have been rude to someone, you keep you butt out of my business. I almost always have reasons for what I do and I have no intention of explaining them to those, like yourself, who do not approve of them.

When one of the Red or Green names has an opinion, I will do my best to acquiesce, but short of that, I do take offense at people going behind my back to alter what I have written/said.

Do it in public if you want to disagree with me, or anyone for that matter.

Sneaky people are not to be trusted.

People who pm other people about yet other people, but don't let the people they're pm'ing about know, are sneaky.

Having been a better member on some forums than on others, I find that the older I get the less things actually annoy me. Especially online.

Search functions, noob question, what morph should I get... read it or don't, respond or don't.

We all have agency.

But I would agree with Judy. I think as staff we get to wander around picking up the messes, but if we have an opinion as members, then it cannot be just that. It becomes an oligarchal conspiracy and that gets really old, really fast.

Other than that arrogance, rudeness and petty tyranny.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Isis

YES!!!

And finally when a newbie asks a question and highly active users have very rude comments or advice. There's no need for that! Is this not a site 'devoted to helping the new herp keeper'? The "friendliest one" in fact? I always find myself PMing those newbies who received very rude comments as soon as they joined and telling them this is a great site and I have no idea why so and so found it necessary to make such and such comment. *sigh*

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Being a noob myself, I think I would appreciate it if someone reached out privately to me after I was just bashed for asking a stupid question. I'm sure some have rolled their eyes at my ignorance. If I was publicly bashed I would be very tempted to leave the forum fearing that the remark is representative of the membership. Happily, I have received nothing but constructive advise from members of this forum and I am grateful for it. Responding in private shows discernment. Rebutting someone in public for their attitude is just going to start one of those threads where everybody just bashes each other and feels they have a God-given right to get in the last word. These threads don't do anybody any good.

The third person writing does get annoying. It might be funny once, or once in awhile, but to write everything in third person just screams attention deprived.

People that buy their animals at the big chains, and think everything they were told by the 17 yr old kid working there is fact, and not to be disputed.

People who ask the most basic questions, AFTER they have purchased the animal they are asking about. Examples: What does a Ball eat, and can I feed it crickets? A Burmese Python only gets 3 feet long, right? My Blood Python will only grow to the size of his 20 gallon tank right?

Asking if this is a morph without posting a picture, and just describing the snake! Asking if this is a morph with the worlds worst picture. Asking if this is a morph, without saying why you are asking if it is a morph. If you are going to ask if your new snake that you bought as a normal for 20 bucks is a morph, tell us why you are asking, and what you think it might be!

People that think they are bigger than the forum, that if they do not post their opinion on EVERY thread, somehow, everyone else will suffer. People that try to make every thread about themselves. People that look down on everyone else, just because they are over 40 and have a job---even if it is a minimum wage job and they still live in their mom's basement...where, ironically, they are NOT allowed to have any reptiles but an Anole. This Anole keeper will however, feel it is their duty to tell everyone else how to keep their Balls, Boas, etc.

People who post like they are texting.

What gets me? Ignorance. Plain and simple. I can deal with stubborn well and good. I just say... well.... colorful words, and move on my way, I dont care that much! And i CERTAINLY dont give two hoots about some yahoo that talks to "Insert name dropping name here" who heard this and that, about that and that. Pshaw. You go on and do it your way. Im gonna do it my way, and well see how things turn out!

I hardly do anything "by the book." Im stubborn and i have my opinions, and personal experiences thus far, and thats how things will remain!
I "LOVE" when people try to tell me differently, or those who have FAR more experience than them that things should be done whatever way they say it should, yet ive been taught, and i learned by who I feel are some of the best. You can take your textbook regurgitation and put it wherever makes you feel happy!!!

There is a great difference between bashing a newb for asking a question and giving a dingleberry a ration for being stupid.

I suspect that most try pretty hard to distinguish the newbs from the berries.

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Originally Posted by Isis

I always find myself PMing those newbies who received very rude comments as soon as they joined and telling them this is a great site and I have no idea why so and so found it necessary to make such and such comment. *sigh*

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Interesting.

Rather hubric of you and somewhat unappreciated by me.

Heh.

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Originally Posted by Isis

By the way it's hubris or hubristic in that case

And it's not so much self pride as it is pride for this website. Like I said there is no need for self proclaimed experts to be rude to newbies because they don't have time to answer such a petty question. This site was created for newbies and if you scroll to the top of every page it says, and I quote "the friendliest online community for all your herping needs". If we're rude to someone right off the bat we're going to lose members. This site has a lot to offer and I'd hate for someone to leave when they need advice just because someone took the time to be rude.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

I often make up words that suit my needs.

I must have missed the election that put you in your position of Politeness Enforcer.

I will kindly ask that should you think I have been rude to someone, you keep you butt out of my business. I almost always have reasons for what I do and I have no intention of explaining them to those, like yourself, who do not approve of them.

When one of the Red or Green names has an opinion, I will do my best to acquiesce, but short of that, I do take offense at people going behind my back to alter what I have written/said.

Do it in public if you want to disagree with me, or anyone for that matter.

Sneaky people are not to be trusted.

People who pm other people about yet other people, but don't let the people they're pm'ing about know, are sneaky.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

There is a great difference between bashing a newb for asking a question and giving a dingleberry a ration for being stupid.

I suspect that most try pretty hard to distinguish the newbs from the berries.

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It is good that I am not the rod to measure by. On occasion I fall far short of what I expect from myself.

I've been pondering this the last couple of days.

I made an ASS umption, thereby making an ass of myself even though I still ASS ume I was correct. This aside, it's no business of mine what anyone does in PMs. I may not like it. Life is tough.

Sorry Isis, I didn't mean to ram a battleship up your butt. Especially for something you may not have even done and, dopey me, had you, was none of my business anyway.

I don't like sneaky people but you just try to make nice for folks. That's a nice thing, a good thing, a thing that makes this site as good as it is. Keep it up.

However, I honestly do almost always have a reason for my posts, should any of them have ever been the initiator of your PMs. Just so you know, I'm not just mean to be mean nor rude to be rude. Usually. And, when I am, there is usually a goal I am looking for.

Heck, in all honesty, some of the posts I make are so people WILL talk, not about me, but about whatever I posted on, while not online. That, however, is neither here nor there.

I was unnecessarily rude and wanted to make it right.

Sorry Isis.

Carry on as you see fit.

I hate when people ask questions that could easily be answered by searching this site or just by looking it up on google. We have several caresheets on here and there are tons of other respectable caresheets on the web.

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Originally Posted by Patricia

#1 upset: Using the Lord's name like a cuss word and having it be acceptable here. That's when I started participating here less.

#1 annoyance: People who refuse (as opposed to being unaware of it) to use the wonderful Search function here, but need every piece of info handed to them on a plate; the "cater to me" attitude.

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I take offense to that.
Assuming that your 'Lord' is the same one we all have or that we have one at all is rude. If I was an Atheist, I could easily throw that back at you in that I have every right to use something I don't believe in in vain.
After all, people tend to use my religion as a word in vain constantly, but do I cry about it? No, it's their immaturity and ignorance.

They don't have to follow all the guidelines like you do, it's not fair of you to try to force that on others. It's not like people are going around screaming "I hate Jesus!"

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I take offense to that.
Assuming that your 'Lord' is the same one we all have or that we have one at all is rude. If I was an Atheist, I could easily throw that back at you in that I have every right to use something I don't believe in in vain.
After all, people tend to use my religion as a word in vain constantly, but do I cry about it? No, it's their immaturity and ignorance.

They don't have to follow all the guidelines like you do, it's not fair of you to try to force that on others. It's not like people are going around screaming "I hate Jesus!"

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I don't think she's trying to force it on others. She's just saying what annoys her about this particular message board, and that is why she doesn't visit as often. That's what this whole thread is about.

Lol omg.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I take offense to that.
Assuming that your 'Lord' is the same one we all have or that we have one at all is rude. If I was an Atheist, I could easily throw that back at you in that I have every right to use something I don't believe in in vain.
After all, people tend to use my religion as a word in vain constantly, but do I cry about it? No, it's their immaturity and ignorance.

They don't have to follow all the guidelines like you do, it's not fair of you to try to force that on others. It's not like people are going around screaming "I hate Jesus!"

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Im just wondering.. Not believing in something means it doesnt deserve respect? Im not sure if thats what you meant but thats kind of what I got from it

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Originally Posted by HeartAche

Im just wondering.. Not believing in something means it doesnt deserve respect? Im not sure if thats what you meant but thats kind of what I got from it

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What it looks like TO ME, is they are just words. and will be used as just that. Its not like they would be used in a negative connotation against a persons belief, as much as, just a negative connotation in and of itself, because its become a common phrase in the American language. Thats what happens with language, it evolves and changes, and turns into something else entirely over the thousands of years its in use.

Unfortunately, i suggest people grow thicker skin, unless these people call you, personally some horrible name because of the way you feel, i highly suggest not taking such immediate offense. The world's a'changin, and there are more people that feel this way every day.

Its not that respect was not given, because the words typed are FAR from disrespectful. ( If anything my... "Joke" Would be something i would consider more along the lines of disrespectful... har har. and even then, hardly that....)
Also. I hate when people use the word "our" when speaking about that stuff. I suggest the usage of the word "my" as, you cannot speak on anyone's behalf.

Ohyeah. Edit. When i say... "You" I dont necessarily mean. YOU.

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Originally Posted by mooingtricycle

What it looks like TO ME, is they are just words. and will be used as just that. Its not like they would be used in a negative connotation against a persons belief, as much as, just a negative connotation in and of itself, because its become a common phrase in the American language. Thats what happens with language, it evolves and changes, and turns into something else entirely over the thousands of years its in use.

Unfortunately, i suggest people grow thicker skin, unless these people call you, personally some horrible name because of the way you feel, i highly suggest not taking such immediate offense. The world's a'changin, and there are more people that feel this way every day.

Its not that respect was not given, because the words typed are FAR from disrespectful. ( If anything my... "Joke" Would be something i would consider more along the lines of disrespectful... har har. and even then, hardly that....)
Also. I hate when people use the word "our" when speaking about that stuff. I suggest the usage of the word "my" as, you cannot speak on anyone's behalf.

Ohyeah. Edit. When i say... "You" I dont necessarily mean. YOU.

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What 1 person takes from words may not be what the writer intended which is why i asked. I'd rather ask what the original intent was rather than have the wrong assumption.

Edit.. Actually I overlooked the fact that it was a hypothetical scenario.. Ignore my post! lol

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Originally Posted by Eventide

I don't think she's trying to force it on others. She's just saying what annoys her about this particular message board, and that is why she doesn't visit as often. That's what this whole thread is about.

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Yes, that exactly, thank you.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I take offense to that. Assuming that your 'Lord' is the same one we all have or that we have one at all is rude. If I was an Atheist, I could easily throw that back at you in that I have every right to use something I don't believe in in vain. After all, people tend to use my religion as a word in vain constantly, but do I cry about it? No, it's their immaturity and ignorance. They don't have to follow all the guidelines like you do, it's not fair of you to try to force that on others. It's not like people are going around screaming "I hate Jesus!"

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"Cry about it" implies that I've posted about it many times which, to the contrary, this is the first time I have done so, and only because it directly answers the question about what "upsets" (exact word) us members. Frankly, someone screaming "I hate Jesus" doesn't bother me at all, but using his name like a cuss word does. A lot milder language gets you in trouble here, but not that.

I make no assumptions and am not asking anyone to believe as I do, only that, in fairness to all, NO religion or deity be insulted. You said people use your religion in vain. I have no idea what religion that is, but whatever it is, it shouldn't be casually thrown about or spoken of in a derogatory way in a public forum.

Respect. Whether people agree or not -- whatever the topic -- it all comes down to RESPECT.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

It is good that I am not the rod to measure by. On occasion I fall far short of what I expect from myself.

I've been pondering this the last couple of days.

I made an ASS umption, thereby making an ass of myself even though I still ASS ume I was correct. This aside, it's no business of mine what anyone does in PMs. I may not like it. Life is tough.

Sorry Isis, I didn't mean to ram a battleship up your butt. Especially for something you may not have even done and, dopey me, had you, was none of my business anyway.

I don't like sneaky people but you just try to make nice for folks. That's a nice thing, a good thing, a thing that makes this site as good as it is. Keep it up.

However, I honestly do almost always have a reason for my posts, should any of them have ever been the initiator of your PMs. Just so you know, I'm not just mean to be mean nor rude to be rude. Usually. And, when I am, there is usually a goal I am looking for.

Heck, in all honesty, some of the posts I make are so people WILL talk, not about me, but about whatever I posted on, while not online. That, however, is neither here nor there.

I was unnecessarily rude and wanted to make it right.

Sorry Isis.

Carry on as you see fit.

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I was afraid to come back to this thread because of what it might say, and as I try to be as nice and friendly as possible to avoid any infractions or warnings I stayed clear of this thread. In fact I had a dream last night that I received an infraction and woke up totally distraught! :rofl:

I will assure you that I'm not so cowardly to secretly PM a newbie about someone. I call the person out before PMing a newbie. And it is only the newbies I PM, they don't know what this site is really like. If I have ever PMed someone because of something you personally said I would have quoted your post and said something like: "you don't have the time to give decent advice, but you have the time to post that?" If I've never quoted you and said something of the sort then I've never PMed someone about you :D I don't send many of those PMs, but on occasion, when I find it necessary. It's not like I keep a list of rude people either :D I couldn't name one person I've been upset with, I tend to forget those sort of things. I'm quite sure the newbies also brush it off once they get some support from other members.

The most recent one I remember was a newbie asking for help with their setup and wanting to get everything perfect. They were confused because of what the pet store told them and what the care sheets on this site say. Which in my opinion is totally understandable, I was a newbie once, perhaps that's rare on this site. Anyway, someone found it necessary to chime in and tell the newbie they need to do some research and stop asking stupid questions. Really? Was that necessary? I don't PM newbies when someone tells them they aren't thinking when they sleep with their BPs, I mean, come on.... It's just the newbies that come here looking for good advice that I'm concerned with.

Apology accepted :D


Although, after reading your post previous to this one I wouldn't be surprised if I PMed a newbie about something you said :rofl:

WHO the hell is Wes?:omfg:

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Originally Posted by iCandiBallPythons

WHO the hell is Wes?:omfg:

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No one of consequence.

Didn't you know?

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Originally Posted by iCandiBallPythons

WHO the hell is Wes?:omfg:

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Wes is one of the few true legends in this hobby. He's been into herpetoculture since before it was called herpetoculture. I hear he used to keep dinosaurs in his basement back in the day. :gj::rolleye2::gj:

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Wes is one of the few true legends in this hobby. He's been into herpetoculture since before it was called herpetoculture. I hear he used to keep dinosaurs in his basement back in the day. :gj::rolleye2::gj:

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vypyrz hates it when someone refers to him in unimaginitive slang words like brah dude and homie vypyrz would also like to thank dr del for introducing him to the ignore function of this forum vypyrz hates when people tell newbies to do some research when in actuallity posting on this forum may be part of that research oh and vypyrz also hates it when people type out a whole paragraph and neglect to use the basic tools of sentence structure like capitalization and punctuation so with that being said vypyrz forgot where he was going with this the train of thought has left the station

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Originally Posted by Vypyrz

vypyrz hates it when someone refers to him in unimaginitive slang words like brah dude and homie vypyrz would also like to thank dr del for introducing him to the ignore function of this forum vypyrz hates when people tell newbies to do some research when in actuallity posting on this forum may be part of that research oh and vypyrz also hates it when people type out a whole paragraph and neglect to use the basic tools of sentence structure like capitalization and punctuation so with that being said vypyrz forgot where he was going with this the train of thought has left the station

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is vypyrz on the train or in the station

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Originally Posted by wilomn

is vypyrz on the train or in the station

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maybe he is on the train that is still at the platform

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Originally Posted by 771subliminal

maybe he is on the train that is still at the platform

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I think I got on the Non-stop to nowhere....

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Originally Posted by Vypyrz

I think I got on the Non-stop to nowhere....

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that would explain why your going in circles

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Originally Posted by Vypyrz

I think I got on the Non-stop to nowhere....

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At least you managed to get on the train. Can't say the same for myself. ;)

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Originally Posted by Vypyrz

I think I got on the Non-stop to nowhere....

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When you arrive at Nowhere, are confused by actually being Someplace?