Which morphs are stabalizing, which are dropping?

[PythonWallace]

jake thats not the arguement. for someone that is actually in the business of only snakes! well then they cannot hold back and pay feed bills for hundreds of animals. at some point you have 2 choices sell lower and cut losses or just go broke and loose everything you own then do it.

we see this all the time here jake and you know it as well as i do you have seen the same ppl selling online snakes for hundreds less online than at the show and the other way around some even with the same exact snake.

its not only kingsnake its on fauna also. are we going to compare retail to wholesale or breeder prices and most petstores are charging 100$ for a 5$ CH import. also note that most breeders do not change their prices on their site yet they sell everywhere for less even from the same breeder.

all ive even seen in threads like these is quality(which is personal preference) vs quantity(which you get ugly ones even while selective breeding). then its nerd(sorry kara and kevin) this or big daddy that or flipper this or whoever someone happens to be ranting about at the moment. either way do you think that nerd doesnt breed 100's of quality pastels and nothing but.

awhile back we had this same discussion with asfs and pricing of them. also rodent food. its all the same supply demand! its all reaganomics!

Unless you're talking about guys like that rarepythons dude, people who only breed snakes for a living have all started out smaller and built a reputation that got them to the point where they were selling enouh animals to make it a career. I'm just saying that there are way too many people unnecessarily crashing the ball market by trying to have the cheapest animals. I have done practically no advertising, and I have yet to build any kind of reputation in this hobby. My only exposure comes from posting on this site. Yet people still manage to find me and buy my higher priced animals. That tells me that the demand does not warrant the never ending price dropping on ball pythons. People like Adam, Ralph, NERD, and plenty others do this for a living and have no problem moving animals, without lowering their prices. People have talked about how every spider hatched in '07 was sold at '07 prices with a list of people who were willing to pay those prices to get their hands on an '08, but then as soon as some breeders started hatching out '08 spiders the price tags were automatically dropped some random amount and now anyone who wants to sell a spider has to be competative with these guys who marked down prices for absolutely no reason. It's the same for every morph once there are enough people working with them. It seems to have nothing to do with supply and demand, and everything to do with 300 breeders all trying to have the cheapest priced animals because they can't afford to take care of what they produce. That's why I don't see any morphs stabalizing, and it just seems stupid and counter productive for profits. I have no one in mind when I say this, but if more breeders bred for quality and worked hard at getting their names out there and building a reputation instead of popping out as many mediocre morphs as possible and making sure you mark them as cheap as they come, this hobby would have a shot at a true supply and demand relationship that most markets use, and prices would be able to stabalize a bit. The question was, which morphs will stabalize in price, and the only answers I can think of are the morphs which haven't gotten into the hands of too many of these price droppers yet, or the newer $10,000 morphs. Once they do, it seems like all morphs will innevitably end up in the $50-$100 price range, no matter how great the demand or the high prices people are willing to pay for such stunning animals, and investment opportunities, for the ones who make a living breeding them.