Which morphs are stabalizing, which are dropping?

[Jay_Bunny]

Its not about the money. A lot of hobbyists just want their snakes to pay for themselves to they can go on to get more snakes. I got my pastel male for 100. I got my female pastel for 225. That was a year ago. I haven't seen prices go down too much on those. I think one of the problems is, you have all these new people putting a bit of money into snakes and then turning around and selling the offspring for next to nothing. They feel they have to price it below the big guys in order to sell anything. If you look at the big breeders, prices haven't gone down much. It is new and upcoming breeders that are selling their snakes for less.

[Brandon Osborne]

LOL, don't worry, you didn't burst any bubbles here.

Go ahead and continue to "give" your snakes away....

Do us a favor though. Since you claim there are SO many albinos available for $300... and $375.... why don't you go ahead and post some links for us?

Would you care to place a bet on the spiders? I say there is no way in hell male spiders will normally be going for under $100 in 09. I would be more then willing to put my money where my mouth is on that one. How bout you?

Mike, I can see I struck a nerve with you and that was not my intention. Do you attend any shows? Internet prices are inflated more so because the market will reach more people that don't get to shows....depending on the show. Does that make sense? Some shows prices are higher.

Where did I say Spiders will "normally" be selling for under $100. I said males will break the $100 mark. And yes, I'll put my where my mouth is on that.

You really don't think albinos are going to break $375 next year? Check out Evan Stahl. He has them right now for $400.

The ads you see posted are not the only animals for sale. I stopped breeding for pastels because in 07 I was selling males for $100 and females for $250-300. That was the "market" prices. This year, yes I've seen male pastels for as low as $50 each.

I see the same animals for sale day after day, week after week, month after month.....so much so that I just stopped watching. They are not selling at current speculative prices. How are breeders going to ask 08 prices on 09s, when the 08s are not selling at 08 prices? Sell your animals for what you think they are worth, but don't be surprised if you still have them the following year.

I'll ask you this. What do you think a Pewter 100% het Pied should sell for? I have the only ones offered for sale. What would you consider a fair selling price?

Again, I'm not trying to start a pissing match. I'm just stating what I see.

[771subliminal]

i got my 08 albino female for $300 it was a deal i couldnt pass up

[Mike Cavanaugh]

You really don't think albinos are going to break $375 next year? Check out Evan Stahl. He has them right now for $400.

I also have no interest in a pissing contest, so this will be my last reply.

You stated that there are many albinos selling for $375 and even $300. I called this and your other claims an exaggeration, and asked you to show us some that were for sale for such prices. Now you are talking about how someone is selling them for $400....

Nevermind.

[Brandon Osborne]

I also have no interest in a pissing contest, so this will be my last reply.

You stated that there are many albinos selling for $375 and even $300. I called this and your other claims an exaggeration, and asked you to show us some that were for sale for such prices. Now you are talking about how someone is selling them for $400....

Nevermind.

Mike, you are asking me to show you animals that have sold, or prices that are not posted. I guess you are one of those people that just pays whatever price you first see. Take a look around and YOU WILL see. Just because you don't see them, does not mean they are not there. These were prices I saw last summer. If you do the calculations, it would make sense in your view that prices of 08s would be higher than $400.

Here is another one. A friend of mine just got a cinny male, albino male, and two spiders for guess what.....$500.

You still want to make that bet? Watch and see. It's already happening.

[nixer]

strike that sliver streak i found one for 2250 on kingsnake right now
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=664977

[mainbutter]

I can't wait for prices to be on a level that I can afford.

I know for some, this isn't ideal, but sure would make the low-level hobbyist happy.

[nevohraalnavnoj]

LOL, don't worry, you didn't burst any bubbles here.

Go ahead and continue to "give" your snakes away....

Do us a favor though. Since you claim there are SO many albinos available for $300... and $375.... why don't you go ahead and post some links for us?

Would you care to place a bet on the spiders? I say there is no way in hell male spiders will normally be going for under $100 in 09. I would be more then willing to put my money where my mouth is on that one. How bout you?

There are tons of breeders that give their animals away, simply because they don't have the patience to find the right buyer. Imagine if every time a person walked onto a car lot, the seller would drop the price to the point of guaranteeing the person would buy. Good businesses do not do this. While you can buy morph XYZ for such and such a price, it doesn't mean they won't sell at higher prices as well.

A breeder I know had his super mojos up at what I thought was a price too high to sell. But sure enough, about 9 months later they are almost all gone selling at that exact price.

JonV

[nevohraalnavnoj]

I can't wait for prices to be on a level that I can afford.

I know for some, this isn't ideal, but sure would make the low-level hobbyist happy.

This is another reason that dropping prices are not all bad....when beautiful morphs reach an affordable level, it draws new people into the market.

JonV

[Slim]

I think that prices will continue to drop for some of the low to mid grade examples of the Co-Doms that have started to flood the market. Prices will remain about the same for high grade examples. I think recessives are going to be all over the map in the coming year because all the people who were flooding the market with Co-Doms 4 years ago, now have their recessive projects up and running. Some will want high dollar, some will undercut the market.

Please keep in mind that there are collectors in this hobby who are willing to pay a premium price for a premium animal from a respected breeder. Those prices will, and should remain a little higher.