Which morphs are stabalizing, which are dropping?

[Brandon Osborne]

I disagree about the albinos, I think they along with hypos, and possibly even axanthics are going to drop even more this year. I am already seeing some 08 albinos (some nice ones to boot) at 600.

As for which ones I think are "temporarily stabilizing." I would have to say the pied (long shot) and the lavendar albino (definitely) with the tons of pied combos that have just came out, it makes since that they may hold their prices better than others. And lav. albinos are starting to really show their potential, so I say they'll stay where they are for awhile as well.

Other than that I think some of the more common base morphs like spiders and black pastels are going to stay right where they are, atleast for this year.

One thing I think will be an interesting conversation, is do you think the prices on grade A pastels will increase? Why I ask this is because I have noticed that all the good pastels (grade A's) are being purchased like 25 min.s after the add goes up. Soo, with a high demand for them, is it possible that they will sustain their price range, and perhaps maybe even increase alil?

Just my

I honestly don't think any morph is stabilizing. I have friends selling 08 male spiders for $125-150 and females for around $200. I'm sure male spiders in 09 will break $100 and females will not be far behind. Look at hypos. They were around $2k a couple of years ago. Now they are $250-400. And yes, I've seen many albino balls for $375.

As for pastels, yeah grading may get an extra $25, but as I said, I've seen males for $50. Proven breeder males for $175. I sold my proven breeder spider for $500.

Pieds and Lavs are already dropping as well. I hate to say it because all I am working on are pied combos......but that's how it's being played out. The economy combined with supply is not helping prices and when 09s begin hatching, prices are going to tank. Watch and see, pieds will break $1k this year, but those with "big" names will still fetch $1500-2500.

The overall market is falling fast. The only thing I have seen actually doing will is the high end chondro market. Prices are actually going up on most designer chondros. I'm sure once a few of the "big" breeders get in on chondros, they will do the same to that market as well. Already, one of the largest ball breeders in the U.S. is buying up lots of designer chondros. It's only a matter of time.....then they will move on to the next thing that makes money.

[Mike Cavanaugh]

I honestly don't think any morph is stabilizing. I have friends selling 08 male spiders for $125-150 and females for around $200. I'm sure male spiders in 09 will break $100 and females will not be far behind. And yes, I've seen many albino balls for $375.

Prices are definately dropping. This however is a gross exaggeration.

[nixer]

Prices are definately dropping. This however is a gross exageration.

i dont think so i just saw a lavender albino female for 3900$
how about the silver streak that was 3k
when i got my pastels in 06 i paid 400 and mine were not the nicest but not ugly either that year everyone else was paying around 600 for a female

[Jay_Bunny]

I think prices are dropping really fast. When I first got into ball pythons in 2007, the price of a nice pied male was around 2000. I just saw a nice one 50/50 white at a show for 1300. I got my spider male last year for 300 and this year my friend just got a female for around 250. Albino females were 1000-1500 and now I'm seeing female albinos for 600.

[Mike Cavanaugh]

i dont think so i just saw a lavender albino female for 3900$
how about the silver streak that was 3k
when i got my pastels in 06 i paid 400 and mine were not the nicest but not ugly either that year everyone else was paying around 600 for a female

My responce was to what he was claiming about spiders, pastels, and albinos. You can still with little effort sell a normal for $50. being forced to sell a pastel for $50 isn't happening any time soon. Spiders are not going to drop to under $100 in O9.... and finally, there are NOT "plenty of albinos for $375.

[Brandon Osborne]

My responce was to what he was claiming about spiders, pastels, and albinos. You can still with little effort sell a normal for $50. being forced to sell a pastel for $50 isn't happening any time soon. Spiders are not going to drop to under $100 in O9.... and finally, there are NOT "plenty of albinos for $375.

Mike, I hate to tell you, but I give away normal males, and females I sell for $20. That is ALL I can get out of them. Believe what you want. Spiders will be low and so will everything else. When I got my first Pewter in late 06 they were $8k.....now $800. Two years ago, I had people trying to trade mojos even for pieds. No thanks. By the end of the season, they were less than half the original price. By spring of the next year, you could get sub-adults for even less.

And yes, you will see male spiders for $100 or less, and there are PLENTY of albinos for $375. I've seen a few here and there for $300.

Here is the thing, the market may be different in your area than in other places. In my area, there is no market for chondros. When I started producing designer chondros, I would get emails from people in my area saying in our local market chondros only sell for $400. I would respond by telling them, my market is not here....it's everywhere. So yes, prices are falling, falling, falling.

I'm sorry if I am bursting your bubble. That's not my point. So far I've lost lots of $ on pastels and spiders. I'm way ahead with pieds. We'll see how the rest pans out.

[Brandon Osborne]

I think prices are dropping really fast. When I first got into ball pythons in 2007, the price of a nice pied male was around 2000. I just saw a nice one 50/50 white at a show for 1300. I got my spider male last year for 300 and this year my friend just got a female for around 250. Albino females were 1000-1500 and now I'm seeing female albinos for 600.

And I'm seeing proven albino males for $600.

A 450 gram male spider for $250 shipped.

Proven male pastel $225 shipped.

300 gram female Lav $3900 shipped.

Albino males $400 females $525 OBO

Pastel males $100 females $200

These are all posted ads that took me less than 5 minutes to find. A good friend of mine just got a 500 gram Enchi for $125 from a well-known breeder. Prices are FAALLLLLLING!

[Emilio]

I love my Bp's. For about a year now all I've been thinking about is the cool stuff I'll be producing every year. I try not to worry about there monetery value, I'm it in for the animals not the money.

[nixer]

And I'm seeing proven albino males for $600.

A 450 gram male spider for $250 shipped.

Proven male pastel $225 shipped.

300 gram female Lav $3900 shipped.

Albino males $400 females $525 OBO

Pastel males $100 females $200

These are all posted ads that took me less than 5 minutes to find. A good friend of mine just got a 500 gram Enchi for $125 from a well-known breeder. Prices are FAALLLLLLING!

i saw a pewter male 2 weeks ago for 400$

[Mike Cavanaugh]

LOL, don't worry, you didn't burst any bubbles here.

Go ahead and continue to "give" your snakes away....

Do us a favor though. Since you claim there are SO many albinos available for $300... and $375.... why don't you go ahead and post some links for us?

Would you care to place a bet on the spiders? I say there is no way in hell male spiders will normally be going for under $100 in 09. I would be more then willing to put my money where my mouth is on that one. How bout you?