Lets just say that the Nuva ring birth control AND Trojan are both FAIL in my eyes right now. What are the odds? 99.9 my butt. Really maybe I should get my het pieds up to breeding size, with the odds I hit, I think I would probably have a clutch of all pieds! As it stands, I can't afford to get mates for my corn snakes, or my new rack project bleh.... just bummed and ranting, sorry guys and gals.