Ringers....your opinion

[kc261]

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Number 3... in the second pic (green circles). A perfect example of a strong white flame coming up from the belly, very similar to the pic posted by the OP. And it is labelled as, and explained as a flame.

Bruce

Thanks for your answer Bruce. If you look at the first pic in Number 3, you'll see the flames I was talking about where they are more of a blushing than a true white. Also in the YB guide, there are lots of the blushing, rather than white flames.
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So I guess flames can be either the blushing or an actual white marking?

EDIT: After I posted, I realized this might sound like I'm confused in the difference between flames and blushing. I realize blushing is the faded spots on the back and flames are on the sides coming up from the belly. I'm just referring to the color of the flames.

[tweets_4611]

For it to be a ringer, if I remember correctly, the white coming up the side needs to be surrounded by a bright orange, not just a normal white spot coming up. The ringers I have seen have a white place coming up, but it's surrounded by orange, and the pattern is a bit distorted around that area. It seems to me like a ringer is like a small patch of a pied, on a regular ball

[Bruce Whitehead]

Thats how I have understood it too... ringers have discoloration (orange) and are somewhat erratic in patterning.

But yeah, a high flame is a great mark for any snake.

I have a pastel that has flames in the flames so to speak.

Either way it is a sharp looking snake and a very nice example of an extreme flame.

Bruce

[Bruce Whitehead]

Southb... I knew I had a few pics floating around. Figured I would pull a few up if they help...



This is one of my hatchlings from this year... you can see the white flames at 9-10 o`clock...

Another male, same sire but different dam with a ringer. The colour was off, but you can still see the orange-ish tint around it and the erratic patterning.



Bruce

[DZBReptiles]

For it to be a ringer, if I remember correctly, the white coming up the side needs to be surrounded by a bright orange, not just a normal white spot coming up. The ringers I have seen have a white place coming up, but it's surrounded by orange, and the pattern is a bit distorted around that area. It seems to me like a ringer is like a small patch of a pied, on a regular ball

You hit the nail right on the head Shannon. Also when they are close to the vent they are often followed by a spot on each side of the tail. Jeff