Lets talk lesser and butters

[Brimstone111888]

Great post Randy! I have another question, if you think they are all the same gene with different mutations, what would you classifiy the offspring from a BEL(made from Lesser x Mojave)?

I don't think anyone could accuratly tell.

[RandyRemington]

Unfortunately I've not yet had the problem of having to identify the offspring of a cross line leucistic bred to a normal. I've read reports that the results where as expected by the allele theory and that the babies could be divided about 50/50 into the two leucistic side grandparent types. I don't know how sure they could be that the darkest lesser and the lightest mojave didn't overlap but in general the two mutations seem to have pretty distinct looks and produce distinctly different homozygous leucistic versions. Morph King Reptiles was one that did produce a lot of clutches from a Lesser + Mojave leucistic to normals so if you know Joe or Wes ask them for details.

[Corrupter]

Here is the real test..

Which ones are which???

Well heres my guess since noone else has said it... Lessers are far left, far right, and the lighter bottom middle one. The mojave is the darker bottom middle one. The butters are top middle and second from right on bottom. I tried to post a pic but it wouldnt upload... Oh well... So the winner gets a free butter/lesser right?

[BallKeeper]

Most deffinetly diffrent morphs i would say.

Its like Black Pastel and Cinnamon...produce morphs alike eg Eight Ball and Super Cinny but still slightly diffrent...

[bait4snake]

Unfortunately I've not yet had the problem of having to identify the offspring of a cross line leucistic bred to a normal. I've read reports that the results where as expected by the allele theory and that the babies could be divided about 50/50 into the two leucistic side grandparent types. I don't know how sure they could be that the darkest lesser and the lightest mojave didn't overlap but in general the two mutations seem to have pretty distinct looks and produce distinctly different homozygous leucistic versions. Morph King Reptiles was one that did produce a lot of clutches from a Lesser + Mojave leucistic to normals so if you know Joe or Wes ask them for details.

MKR bred their LesserXMojave Leucistic to like 15 normal females and distinctively produced only Lessers and Mojaves.

[MarkS]

MKR bred their LesserXMojave Leucistic to like 15 normal females and distinctively produced only Lessers and Mojaves.

While I tend to believe that about the lessers and mojaves, there are very few claims I would take from MKR at face value. What I would really like to see would be for someone else to breed a lesserXmojave leucistic to several normal females and post the results.

[SlitherinSisters]

I'm not totally sold that they are two different morphs. Couldn't you selectively breed butters to get lessers and lessers to get butters? They are just so similar!

[Nagini88]

I have a question, what would happen if you bred a lesser to a butter? would you get BEL? or a lesser to a mojave as well, are they all compatable?

[nixer]

I have a question, what would happen if you bred a lesser to a butter? would you get BEL? or a lesser to a mojave as well, are they all compatable?

they are all compatible

[dr del]

Hi,

Yep any two snakes from the white snake complex bread together produces a BEL of some description. The amount of pattern varies quite a lot - especially if you look super phantoms and class them as BEL's. But I don't know enough about that to say if they should be counted or not.


dr del