They looked like juvies...just checked and on 1/06 one of them was 148 g. You gotta think though...these are possible dbl hets. they might not even prove. I think I would, even in the long run if it cost a little bit more, make my own and be sure. I know you're all against people breeding their own snakes to make the combo morphs that they want to, but most people like that idea.