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[Sprinkles_Mum]

no im not selling the pastel im making her her own cage until she can join the group sorry but unlike somepeople i dont really have room for a rack until i move out of mom and dads house then yes ill built a rack

you have room for a giant enclosure for all the snakes to be in, but dont have room for a rack? Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt one of the points of racks to be space efficient? They are created so you can have multiple snakes safely enclosed with everything they need, with out spending lots of money and having tanks everywhere.

[dreese88]

I will get banned(or receive a major infraction) if I say what I think about this guy. So I'll jus say to please listen to us dude...it isn't hard to follow proper husbandry with these things. I'm in college and can afford correct enclosures for 3 bp's...a 26 y/o should be more than able to.

[SatanicIntention]

Just an FYI, I house 32 Ball Pythons in the space it takes to hold that huge cage. That's three racks, not just one. All of the snakes are separated, they thrive, eat and no one is cannibalizing each other.

Why not email Adam @ 8Ball Pythons, Tim Bailey @ Bailey & Bailey, Brian & Lori @ BHB, Ralph Davis(no other name needed), Kara & Kevin @ NERD, and quite a few other huge breeders who love their snakes like pets, and definitely all have more than just a measley 60 Ball Pythons to their names... NONE of them will say it is OK to house multiple Ball Pythons in a single, huge, poorly insulated/heated enclosure.

They will dominate each other, which creates one dominant snake and the rest submissive. The dominant snake may be a good feeder or he/she will be flighty/bitey/strikey. The rest of the snakes who are submissive will show that they are not comfortable with the housing situation by fasting, losing weight, they may become apathetic(not showing interest in their world such as with WC snakes), etc.

There is no reason to house multiple snakes together unless it is breeding season. Housing separately is as easy as buying a few Sterilite tubs, some bungee cords, a soldering iron(or just drilling the holes with a drillbit), some newspaper, flexwatt or undertank heaters, water bowls from the dollar store, and a hide or two(less than 50 cents from Home Depot).

If you want to risk the health of your snakes just for the sake of saving some space and money(but you can build a separate huge enclosure for the tiny female Pastel, and she likely won't eat or thrive) then go right ahead, but don't expect help from people when your snakes decide to eat each other, or won't eat, or suddenly get respiratory infections from the improper husbandry or just from the STRESS of being together constantly. Stress results in a lowered immune system, and coupled with improper husbandry(huge cage, poor insulation, low humidity, cooler temps) will result in respiratory infections. RIs are contagious and when snakes are kept together, they will all catch it. Save money? Hah... They will all require injectable antibiotics, special heating/humidity, and separate enclosures to prevent it from spreading.

So how is housing them together proactive? How will it save you money or space if all of the snakes get sick and end up needing to be housed separately anyway?

15qt tubs cost $3, 28qt tubs are $4, 32qt tubs are $7 and 41qt tubs are $8... No excuse.

[Slim]

one more thing i talked to my dads best friend that has raised and breed BP for 30 years and she says its ok to house more than one unless one is pregnant. Then you seperat her from the group sorry im going with a woman that almost 60 and has had BP, boas and tons of other pythons

This one post sums up my whole experience with you on this Forum. You ask, you are told, you find some excuse for not following advice.

This is officially the last time I will ever post in one of your threads.....

I do however reserve the right to you if you ever start giving bad advice to others in the future.

Out

[dreese88]

don't underestimate slim...he'll e-thug the hell out of you too

[MUSTANGGTANDGSXR]

hey man, if your not gonna listen to the advise you asked for, dont ask and do as you will. coming on here and asking for advise and then getting mad cause the advise you got was not what you wanted to hear its not right. just dont ask and do what you gonna do anyways. sorry to be an @$$ but thats reality.

[mckittie]

hey man, if your not gonna listen to the advise you asked for, dont ask and do as you will. coming on here and asking for advise and then getting mad cause the advise you got was not what you wanted to hear its not right. just dont ask and do what you gonna do anyways. sorry to be an @$$ but thats reality.

Exactly what I was thinking.

I, like many others consider this board the most important asset in raising my BP. The advice you'll receive here is from experienced owners and breeders who know what they are talking about. By laying your cards out on the table you should expect a little criticism. And it's not to mock you it's to guide you so that you will find success in raising your BP's.

You gotta stay focused on the little guys and gals you've got right now, Make sure they are healthy and happy. Then down the line start getting more.

[rabernet]

one more thing i talked to my dads best friend that has raised and breed BP for 30 years and she says its ok to house more than one unless one is pregnant. Then you seperat her from the group sorry im going with a woman that almost 60 and has had BP, boas and tons of other pythons

She's been breeding ball pythons for 30 years? What's her name? With that amount of experience under her belt, she should be very well known in the ball python world!

[Texas Dan]

Why not email Adam @ 8Ball Pythons, Tim Bailey @ Bailey & Bailey, Brian & Lori @ BHB, Ralph Davis(no other name needed), Kara & Kevin @ NERD, and quite a few other huge breeders who love their snakes like pets, and definitely all have more than just a measley 60 Ball Pythons to their names... NONE of them will say it is OK to house multiple Ball Pythons in a single, huge, poorly insulated/heated enclosure.

Who's that?









Lol psych. Just trying to break the tension.

[Shadera]

If you aren't willing to listen to the advice and opinions you'll get, don't ask the question. Looking around until you find the person who tells you want you want to hear is rarely the way to do things. If you're the expert, and convinced you're right, why are you here with all us lowly folk who know (in your opinion) nothing?

OP, perhaps you don't belong here in this community where our animals are treated as beloved members of the family and are given the care and consideration they need to not only live but thrive. I'm sure there's a mill-breeder forum out there somewhere that'd welcome you with open arms.

The attitude that these animals don't deserve every last comfort we can give them sickens me. Is this the future of our hobby?