Intresting global warming story

[wilomn]

i dunno about your views on temps but here the temps are colder than the last few years. what i have seen is shifts from when it starts to get cold to when it warms up in the spring. on another note our planet rotates on more than one axis and personally i think our poles move somewhat over the years.
i have seen where they said ice has melted but yet there is also thickening of the ice in other places. heck at one time where i live was all ice im sure it will be eventually again in due time

Do you wonder WHY temps are colder? What is making things different now than they were for the last hundred years or more that we have records for? We know that ice is melting. We know that you're having more ice and snow. I wonder if that would be the resting place for all that melting ice?

It's complicated. You can't just look at one little area to determine global changes.

Record lows, highs, droughts, floods, all on the increase.

Why? What's changed?

It's not about placing blame, it's about acknowledging facts. Things are changing. Fact. Not all of the changes are good for the continued welfare of mankind.

I'm sweating in Jan. here and you've got more snow and ice than ever.

How does that happen?

[wilomn]

oh yes and its greenland not iceland

This is EXACTLY why I generally ignore anything you say.

Had I meant Greenland I would have written Greenland.

[nixer]

This is EXACTLY why I generally ignore anything you say.

Had I meant Greenland I would have written Greenland.

good then ignore it! you need to learn alot of geography! perhaps you should be heading off to rutgers now

[anatess]

No mention was made about any compensation or access to funds for personal research by any of those who once thought one thing, espoused it as truth, and have now changed their minds.

I'd like to know where the Earth has cooled. We are having hotter days more often than ever before. We'll be breaking records later this week as a matter of fact. Our rainfall is off severely.

How can the antarctic ice be growing when burgs the size of small cities are falling off daily? Has anyone looked at Iceland lately? The glaciers there have retreated, MELTED, for MILES AND MILES from where they were just a few years ago.

Who CARES if it's totally man made? The fact is, the Earth IS warming, the oceans are rising and whether you blame your neighbor or not changes NOTHING.

Also, that guy has been out of NASA for the last FIFTEEN years. I'm sure he is keeping right up with the forefront of research by all the reading he's been doing.

Let's hear from someone who's shoes have graced the halls of NASA in the last, oh.... let's say coupla years not decade and a half.

Politics aside, the world is changing. I don't see how 6 billion eating, breathing, pooping, farming, polluting occupants could effect something as big as the entire planet. Can you?

It DOES matter. Sure, I'll take the argument that the earth IS warming. Not that I believe it... YET, we haven't had enough data gathering to prove one way or the other. Remember the global-cooling crowd of the 80's? But, the Ice Age came and melted and there's nothing to say that it won't happen again.
But, what REALLY MATTERS is when people try to force PUBLIC policy on a populus based on the unproven theory that what they are doing is causing global warming. I don't remember there being SUVs during the Ice Age meltdown. When the government passes a bill that you have to replace your roof within the next 5 years without provisions for how the job is going to be paid for (as happened in a city in Germany) to prevent global warming, that's when I say... HEY, wait a minute!
Or when nations come together in Kyoto and come up with a protocol that highly industrialized countries have to pass Kyoto standards of clean air to prevent global warming but others are exempt and American citizens start shouting on their rooftops about how America is a bad, bad country for not agreeing with it. That's when I say, okay guys, take your emotions aside and think about this for a minute. On one hand, Americans are complaining left and right about how they are losing their jobs, they can't afford this or that, gas is too expensive, the economy sucks (they've been saying this for years, not just last year). And then on the other hand, they want other nations to dictate their environmental policies.
Okay, I know some of you are not getting this, so let's put it at a simplistic hypothetical scenario. Say, Pencil-making company of Small-Town Alabama spends 10 cents to make one pencil. It used to cost only one penny but with the Federal government imposing EPA standards, now it costs him 10 cents. He sells the pencil to Walmart for 25 cents. Now, because of having to meet Kyoto protocol (mostly administrative paperwork and red-tape because EPA covers most of it already), it will now cost him 25 cents to make one pencil. So, to keep profit margins, he will have to sell the pencil to Walmart for 38 cents. So then here's Shanghai Pencil-Making Company in China and Bombay Pencil-Making Company in India. They are exempt from most of the Kyoto regulations because they are developing industries. So, they can keep on polluting the environment (no such thing as EPA in China or India), popping out pencils for a penny apiece, turns around and sells it to Walmart for whopping 25 cents making a killer profit margin. Of course Walmart is going to buy it from Shanghai Company or Bombay Company. Small-Town Alabama just got kicked out of the competition. So what does Small-Town Alabama Pencil-making company do? MOVE TO INDIA! DUH! And to top it all off, the air is still polluted.
So, yes, IT DOES MATTER.
What we need is to compete in the global market and WIN. Because with our EPA standards, we are BETTER than anybody else out there. If we can knock China or India out of the competition, then their production becomes limited and the air-polluting plants will be minimized.
We can keep the air clean, limit carbon emissions, recycle, be responsible earth-dwellers without needing the government to mandate it and tax it and whatever else they want to do with it that does nothing else but kill the American industry.
And know that you can do all this and the earth could still warm up. But then, so what? Then tourism in Maine will be high year-round with their white sandy warm beaches. Or maybe we can finally grow rice in Antarctica. My point is, all of us - plants and animals together - will adapt or will die. Just like the Siberian Tigers and the Wooly Mammoth and the dinosaurs who crapped much larger crap than our seemingly overpopulated humans and I'm sure emitted a tanker full of carbon dioxide every single time they farted.
But then, hey, this is all just my own ramblings from my own vat of inexpert opinions.

[Gloryhound]

I've never bought into global warming, though I was rooting for it so I could avoid winters like the one we are having now.

I wouldn't say global warming is not occuring or is occuring. If you look into research done by drilling down through thousands of years of ice building in the artic evidence exists that this has happened several times before as well as various degrees of ice age. I think it was back in the 70's or around then talk was we were entering a "mini" Ice age. What ever that meant. In the end regardless of what we do mother earth will be here. Just maybe not as we think it should be.

By the way I'm in Ohio and rooting for it as well. Speaking of which I got to get back to work so we can get this coal fired power plant back on line to help!

[nixer]

I wouldn't say global warming is not occuring or is occuring. If you look into research done by drilling down through thousands of years of ice building in the artic evidence exists that this has happened several times before as well as various degrees of ice age. I think it was back in the 70's or around then talk was we were entering a "mini" Ice age. What ever that meant. In the end regardless of what we do mother earth will be here. Just maybe not as we think it should be.

By the way I'm in Ohio and rooting for it as well. Speaking of which I got to get back to work so we can get this coal fired power plant back on line to help!

yes that was when we had the big blizzard of 79.(link provided for whoever wants to read about it)
http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tec...79-Chicago.asp

[TMoore]

Global dimming

look it up, its an interesting phenomenon

[Lucas339]

global warming is really interesting to me. expecailly give my field. we are seeing northward migations of several native species. the boundraries of where these speices occur are gowing. one great examle is the upside down jelly fish. it was once a caribbean species and now streches above tampa bay. does this mean global warming exisits......maybe. just becasue its cold now doesn't mean its not cold elsewhere. as i recall we had record highs in america all over right before it got real cold. wilomn is right about the ice. ships can now go above canada through the artic sea year around. they used to only be able to go that way during summer months. where is the water????? guess!! why do you think hurricanes are getting stronger? why did the jetties fail?? water levels are getting higher! dont' believe me?!?! tell that to the people in New Symenra beach who lost their mulit million dollar homes as well as restaurant into the ocean this past hurricane season. did man cause all this.......(http://www.theoildrum.com/uploads/12/sst_global.jpg)

yes the earth fluctuates temps all the time. our axis is not stable and our rotation isn't always perfect but for these changes to happen, something big is causing it. so fine i will give you secptics that this may be a warm time for the earth but explain to me how oxygen levels have significantly dropped and carbon dioxide levels are increasing at a rapid rate? (http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/com...ment.news.83.1) (http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/acpp/imag..._woodshole.jpg).

the fact is we are more than likely the casue. we can't prove it because it is extemely hard to prove. i can't find the one graph but it shows the temp increse sence the industrial revolution to now and the climb is more severe than it has ever been. it also showed the drop in oxygen and the rise in carbon dioxied during the same period.

the problem is not too many people want to do anything about it so they will make excuses. oil drives the economy has for the last 8 years we have had someone in charge directly related to oil. ethanol is a perfect fuel that is east to make and renewable but we have to process it. wind energy is on the rise again but is being fought by many. it sad that we as a people can destory a planet but aren't willing to try and make it better. and dont' say that we didn't. because we surely did!!

[Lucas339]

some info on 2008's record highs (http://weather.about.com/od/globalwa...mer08temps.htm)

[simplechamp]

This is EXACTLY why I generally ignore anything you say.

Had I meant Greenland I would have written Greenland.

good then ignore it! you need to learn alot of geography! perhaps you should be heading off to rutgers now

I did a search for "Iceland glaciers global warming" and "Greenland glaciers global warming" and both search results had many articles and videos about the glaciers melting at a rapid rate.