Ok everyone that replied to this thread, let me start off by saying dont talk about prices when you and everyone with a brain will rather buy , lets say bee for $500 then pay $1000 its comon sence, same snake same morph but cheeper.. I have a pretty decent collection but most of us on here are like me , small basement breeders that also like me are not in it for the money.. right so why do you guys charge the prices that big breeders charge. im not trying to be the one that disagrees with everyone but if i can negotiate a price with someone and get it cheeper damn right im gonna do that. and its the buyer that sets the price. but like you guys said about the mystic and phantom, i say that once they become part of the average persons collection then the price will drop, like all other morphs that lost value. but ralph davis askes 10k because he can and not because they are worth that much, im sure ralph wont loose if he sold them for 1k or 2k im sure there lots of work and time that goes into the rearing and breeding of these animals i know, i go through it everyday. but 10k for one snake is crazy but thats what they are worth to ralph and i can respect that... but look at them from the inside out and they are regular normal ball pythons.. ok i know im contridicting myself but ultimitaly the 10k snakes will one day be worth the same as a normal ball python which if you want my opinion the normal wild color of the ball python 100 years from now will be more treasured then an entire collection of morphs... lol so i know im gonna get crusifed by this but i can take it... be gentel