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View Poll Results: What do you think about WC gravid Ball Pythons being sold?
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Re: WC Gravids?
 Originally Posted by AaronP
Please tell me you're joking.
I've heard that albino snakes (yellow, white) in the wild usually aren't able to survive that long in the wild if they are albinos because they stand out soo easily to predators, they don't have a chance. Basically they have no way to camoflauge from predators, and no way to camoflauge when looking for prey because the prey will automatically see them and run away... Also, i heard that since albinos lack in skin pigmentation that the suns rays can be quite harmful to them... Im not sure if im right, but thats what i've heard... And if you think about it, it does make a lot of sense, why it would be harder and more unlikely for them to survive in the wild...
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Re: WC Gravids?
 Originally Posted by DBD
I've heard that albino snakes (yellow, white) in the wild usually aren't able to survive that long in the wild if they are albinos because they stand out soo easily to predators, they don't have a chance. Basically they have no way to camoflauge from predators, and no way to camoflauge when looking for prey because the prey will automatically see them and run away... Also, i heard that since albinos lack in skin pigmentation that the suns rays can be quite harmful to them... Im not sure if im right, but thats what i've heard... And if you think about it, it does make a lot of sense, why it would be harder and more unlikely for them to survive in the wild...
They survive long enough to pass their genes off to the next generation. Passing your genes on is the most important part of the wild.
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Re: WC Gravids?
 Originally Posted by Clear
They survive long enough to pass their genes off to the next generation. Passing your genes on is the most important part of the wild.
Oh
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Re: WC Gravids?
 Originally Posted by DBD
Oh
I have a captive hatch albino girl, and the only way she got to be albino was for both her parents to carry the genes, so at least a few are out there and breeding.
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Re: WC Gravids?
 Originally Posted by DBD
I've heard that albino snakes (yellow, white) in the wild usually aren't able to survive that long in the wild if they are albinos because they stand out soo easily to predators, they don't have a chance. Basically they have no way to camoflauge from predators, and no way to camoflauge when looking for prey because the prey will automatically see them and run away... Also, i heard that since albinos lack in skin pigmentation that the suns rays can be quite harmful to them... Im not sure if im right, but thats what i've heard... And if you think about it, it does make a lot of sense, why it would be harder and more unlikely for them to survive in the wild...
Think about the species that you are talking about. A species that spends the daylight hours in termite mounds and rodent burrows (no exposure to sun and hidden from predators). A species that ambush hunts from the entrance of those mounds and burrows. Yes, they do face special challenges, but given their natural history, not unheard of for them to survive.
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Re: WC Gravids?
 Originally Posted by DBD
I've heard that albino snakes (yellow, white) in the wild usually aren't able to survive that long in the wild if they are albinos because they stand out soo easily to predators, they don't have a chance. Basically they have no way to camoflauge from predators, and no way to camoflauge when looking for prey because the prey will automatically see them and run away... Also, i heard that since albinos lack in skin pigmentation that the suns rays can be quite harmful to them... Im not sure if im right, but thats what i've heard... And if you think about it, it does make a lot of sense, why it would be harder and more unlikely for them to survive in the wild...
If they were not nocternal then yes that may have been true.
- Matt
Come here little guy. You're awfully cute and fluffy but unfortunately for you, you're made of meat
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Re: WC Gravids?
So how do you explain dominant genetics in regards to ball pythons?
How do you selectively breed for a cinnamon without a cinnamon?
It would not be unheard of to come across a simple recessive animal produced by 2 normal appearing parents but if what you are saying is true then breeding a pinstripe to a normal, then breeding the morph babies to other normal females would eventually produce what? Normals?
If this were true then the ball market would not be able to grow the way it does.
You claim alot of what others are saying is "BS", seems that anything that opposes your belief is "BS".
It's a wonder that you can learn anything new.
-Steven
PS Matt: Count Duckula was a vegetarian, he did not thirst for blood. It was ketchup.
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Re: WC Gravids?
 Originally Posted by stevenkeogh
So how do you explain dominant genetics in regards to ball pythons?
Genetic Mutation, 1 gene doesn't connect the right way or doesn't connect at all, this creating a mutant Gene. DNA isn't perfect. You duplicate yourself a few million times, you're going to screw up somewhere. As hard as it may be for you to believe but at 1 time some where a Pastel popped out, lived and bred.
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Re: WC Gravids?
 Originally Posted by AaronP
Genetic Mutation, 1 gene doesn't connect the right way or doesn't connect at all, this creating a mutant Gene. DNA isn't perfect. You duplicate yourself a few million times, you're going to screw up somewhere. As hard as it may be for you to believe but at 1 time some where a Pastel popped out, lived and bred.
Sure, that may be what happened with morphs at one time but the claim was being made that morphs aren't found in the wild, they are produced.
I have seen an albino garter living in a wood pile at my uncle's house as a kid.
Morphs exist in the wild, don't kid yourself.
-Steven
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Re: WC Gravids?
I can't vote either since it does not disgust me, but I personally don't agree with WC gravid or not. CH is different to me, that animal is hatched in captivity and as far as it is concerned this is life, in captivity, it never was exposed to being wild so it will not miss it. It will have the same fears and insticts as a CB, they are both hatched and put in a cage. WC have lived part of thier life as a wild animal, learning to survive and fend for themselves, going where they want, eating when and what they want, breeding when they want, then to all of a sudden be put in a small box and fed what may not be thier first choice prey in the wild, they get bred when we make them ready not when they are naturally ready etc. I feel sorry for them. Its like if you were put in jail and given an arranged marrage while you were there and forced to have kids. If you were born in a jail and married from birth and brought up your entire life knowing you were to have kids it would be different. While I think its great to introduce new morphs from africa, they can do that with CH. If they find a new morph then get the eggs but return the mother to the wild.
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