Quote Originally Posted by Egapal View Post
Nope I am a liberal. Being liberal means that I believe that individual liberty should be the most important political goal and further that all people should have equal opportunity to things like education and health care oh and yeah food. Liberal is not a dirty word. I do go as far as to believe that government should try to help those in need. But that does not mean that I believe in a nanny state. Remember that Jesus thought it was a good idea to help out the poor too.

Please do not judge all liberals based on a few radicals. I certainly do not lump all conservatives together.
That may be the classic definition, but liberalism has changed drastically in the past decade or two. I did not quit on the democratic party, the democratic party quit on me.

And equal opportunity does not automatically mean equal means.

And this is one of the things that I very much disagree with liberals. The government is only and should only be responsible for the bare minimum. Defense, interstates, and a few other things that we probably do not need to get into. Welfare is a responsibility of the community, because the government can not even manage a whorehouse, let alone the other programs that many think they should be involved in.

Today, liberal (as defined by the liberals that the liberals have put in charge) more governmental control, lower state rights, fewer individual rights, etc al.