i feel like a kid in a candy store when i learn something new. thanks a lot, rabernet. i had read the index of terms before but these pics really helped. it took me forever to figure out the flames. at first i thought you were talking about the white border that seperates the gold from the black. then eureka, i saw the flames. kinda felt a little dumb there. like if it had been a snake it would have bit me, lol.