Is there a way to tell het pied on appearance?

[RichardA]

Tell me about pastels

Then tell me about Spiders.

Then tell me about Mojaves.


Now tell me about yellowbellies.

What? This isnt a co-dom or dom question being asked. Its a het question. There is no such thing as het for pastel, spider, mojave, cinnamon, pinstripe so on......

[mooingtricycle]

What? This isnt a co-dom or dom question being asked. Its a het question. There is no such thing as het for pastel, spider, mojave, cinnamon, pinstripe so on......

Exactly. You mentioned yellowbellies, in response to another users post. They are Incomplete dominant ( Codominant) .

[JLC]

What? This isnt a co-dom or dom question being asked. Its a het question. There is no such thing as het for pastel, spider, mojave, cinnamon, pinstripe so on......

No, but I think the point was that pastels are simply "het super-pastels"...mojaves are "het BELs". (Not sure where spiders fit in there. ) And yellow-bellies are "het ivories". Yellow bellies are a co-dom morph just like pastels or mojos...just a bit more subtle in appearance, so it doesn't really follow to throw them into a discussion about possible markers for true recessive genetics.

[RichardA]

Point taken......


but there are still markers....to say there isn't is false.

To say there isn't always is better.

[mainbutter]

I said they weren't reliable, not that they didn't exist! I'm just worried about some people believing that markers are always there or that something that looks like a marker automatically means that a snake is a het for some morph.

Relying on markers has the potential for a less than ethical person to sell normals with markers as 100% hets, I just want people to be careful.

[RichardA]

I understand mainbutter.....no disrespect meant to ya.

Ball python genetics are pretty much in a league of their own......very up and down and confusing for even some of the upmost in the hobby at times.

I guess best thing for any of us to do is, look for the markers at normal price, buy hets from those you know/trust.

[RandyRemington]

I'd point out that ball pythons don't read genetic text books. It looks like piebald is in a gray area between the recessive and co-dominant categories we made up. Gray areas are messy so maybe that's why this one wasn't exposed to the public until well into the marketing of possible het pieds but I think it's better now that everyone at least has a chance to get educated before buying a possible het.

[ch312]

The marker for het pieds is very reliable. If you put 50 random het pieds in a container with 50 random normals, I bet you I could pick the hets with 95% accuracy.

Eric

so, whats the marker?

[mrewildstyle]

To simply put it.

There are 100% Het Pieds without Het Pied markings

There are 100% Normals with Het Pied markings

There are 100 % Het Pieds with Het Pied Markings

Judging a Het Pied by markings is like judging the sex of a snake based on the size of the spurs. Yea...It may accurate sometimes....but realistically it is not always going to work.

[Dragnbaron]

Hmm, i guess my question sparked some debate. This is great stuff to learn, though! So pied is not really recessive and not really co dominant? (drawing some squares as i type)