ball python lingo?

[punyhuman07]

i'm so out of it anymore but is the a page on here that tells you all the codes and lingo used in talking about ball pythons aka bp,and het and stuff like that i get confused also what do the numbers in front of forsay mean

i have a 1.0 het spider

i'm lost

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Here you go http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69059

[FatBoy]

1.1.1 males.females.unknown sex
ps...no such thing as a het spider

[simplechamp]

1.1.1 males.females.unknown sex
ps...no such thing as a het spider

I thought all spiders are heterozygous? There is no proven homozygous super form right? Doesn't a spider have one spider gene and one normal gene? That sounds like heterozygous to me, it's just het in a codom/dom trait so it shows, unlike het for a recessive trait which would look like a norm.

[blackcrystal22]

I thought all spiders are heterozygous? There is no proven homozygous super form right? Doesn't a spider have one spider gene and one normal gene? That sounds like heterozygous to me

Spiders are heterozygous, but they are a co-dominate gene. If the gene is present, then it will be apparent.
It is impossible to have a het. Spider, because when a morph is referred to as a het., it usually is referring to the animal being recessive heterozygous, which contains the gene for the morph, but it does not show because it needs to be recessive homozygous to be apparent.

Plus, if there is no proven homozygous super form, that means that it is more likely that it is a dominate gene. :]

[simplechamp]

It is impossible to have a het. Spider, because when a morph is referred to as a het., it usually is referring to the animal being recessive heterozygous, which contains the gene for the morph, but it does not show because it needs to be recessive homozygous to be apparent.

I think it IS possible, and that all spiders ARE heterozygous. One piece of the allelle pair is spider, one piece is normal. Hetero means different, unlike, not the same. So they are heterozygous. Just because something isn't recessive doesn't mean it can't be het. People don't refer to doms and codoms as hets, but they still are, genetically speaking. A pastel is het, a super pastel is homo. A mojave is het, a blue-eyed leucistic is homo. I've heard of yellowbellies being called het ivory. You could call a pastel "het super pastel" and I don't see how it would be incorrect. Sure, no one calls them that, but it isn't wrong.

[punyhuman07]

i was just using it as an example

[FatBoy]

I personally don't refer to codoms as being hets, I concider them visual morphs. I have saw people refer to normals as het spiders or het pastels probally because it was a sibling. If you poll 100 people as to what they think of when they hear het spider I think 95 would picture a normal that would produce spiders. In that case they would respond.....ps..there is no such thing as a het spider.

[simplechamp]

If you poll 100 people as to what they think of when they hear het spider I think 95 would picture a normal that would produce spiders. In that case they would respond.....ps..there is no such thing as a het spider.

And those 95 people would be picturing the wrong thing!

[mainbutter]

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