boas and ibd

[JimiSnakes]

I'm extremely biased.

It takes a strong man to admit he's biased. I give ya +2 for admitting it.

[Skiploder]

I think this is another good point too...


Most associated, not only associated

Weight loss is a factor, but not the only factor. I've also heard of mouth rot being a good first indicator.

Jacobson mentions subclinical infections - so did my vet and the local Univ. vets.

[JimiSnakes]

Last python was added about 14 months before the symptoms occurred.

So, a python was added into your collection last? Did you have these same test results done on this python? It's unordinary, but not unheard of, for pythons to by assymptomatic carriers too.

[Skiploder]

It takes a strong man to admit he's biased. I give ya +2 for admitting it.

Dude, I have animals in that collection I've owned for 17+ years. I hate to even call them a collection, or a hobby for that matter.............they are much more than that to me.

To be looking at losing them, even after I followed the conventional wisdom for the last five years is beyond frustrating.

[Skiploder]

So, a python was added into your collection last? Did you have these same test results done on this python? It's unordinary, but not unheard of, for pythons to by assymptomatic carriers too.

Male woma - again from a top breeder and bought as a baby He is the one who has shown no signs of anorexia or seasonal fasting. He's a clockwork eater, pooper, shedder, etc.

If he was an asymptomatic carrier - I hit some sort of screwed up lottery. A baby, asymptomatic python, from probably the most recognized name in womas with no symptoms........but a carrier.

[ohyeahnow]

Real sorry for your dilema Skiploder. I guess what we can learn is to be as safe as possible in our husbandry practices, and hope more is figured out about this disease. It appears that you use good husbandry practices and took precautions. There are a lot of journal articles on this, and the only deffinitive thing I can gather about how it is transmitted, is the fact that no one knows for sure. I sure hope your snakes that are obviously very important to you escape a trategy such as IBD.

Anyone care to email Jacobson on this topic, give it a try.

JacobsonE@vetmed.ufl.edu

[JimiSnakes]

Nevermind...I'm only saying that if you follow all the rules of quarantine for EACH AND EVERY snake you bring in, boas or pythons or even cornsnakes, you won't have a problem with 99.9% of the problems that have been listed here.

Skip- It is truly unfortunate for anyone to have any problems with any pet, snake, or animal they have purchased. You must understand that if you DO have IBD, which it isn't stated that you do or don't, then you are a very low percentage and should not be speaking for every boa or python or collector on the internet who practices strict quarantine procedures. It is a much higher risk of someone passing internal parasites throughout a collection then it is to have a snake carry IBD unknown for that long. Internal parasites can also cause devastating results and whatnot without treatment.

[ohyeahnow]

I have sent the following email from my university email account. I will post any information if I get a reply.

Dr. Jacobson,

Myself and many other snake lovers are interested in information on Inclusion Body Disease. Could you enlighten us on any published articles or literature that may better inform us on this disease?

Thanks for your time,
Paul Kelley

[Skiploder]

Nevermind...I'm only saying that if you follow all the rules of quarantine for EACH AND EVERY snake you bring in, boas or pythons or even cornsnakes, you won't have a problem with 99.9% of the problems that have been listed here.

Skip- It is truly unfortunate for anyone to have any problems with any pet, snake, or animal they have purchased. You must understand that if you DO have IBD, which it isn't stated that you do or don't, then you are a very low percentage and should not be speaking for every boa or python or collector on the internet who practices strict quarantine procedures. It is a much higher risk of someone passing internal parasites throughout a collection then it is to have a snake carry IBD unknown for that long. Internal parasites can also cause devastating results and whatnot without treatment.

We've looked into OPMV and crypto also.

Again, IBD is not a given in my case..............but almost everything else has been ruled out. It's a waiting game at this point.

Without inflaming the issue any further, I'll PM you with some additional info. One thing I have learned about IBD is that the vets that have a different view on it's potential prevalence and their frustration at trying to diagnose the disease in live animals.

[JimiSnakes]

We've looked into OPMV and crypto also.

Again, IBD is not a given in my case..............but almost everything else has been ruled out. It's a waiting game at this point.

Without inflaming the issue any further, I'll PM you with some additional info. One thing I have learned about IBD is that the vets that have a different view on it's potential prevalence and their frustration at trying to diagnose the disease in live animals.

Ok. Pm away!