I currently have a super cinny en route. It is not the same mutation as a super black pastel. It has silver and a dark grey color to it. The super black pastels are almost pitch black. Super fires/sulfurs are identical. No shade difference at all. And fires and sulfurs are also the same. I would bet even though you say they look the same if I took clutches from both you couldn't separate them correctly. With cinny's and black pastels I bet you could.