Quote Originally Posted by littleindiangirl View Post
I really do respect your opinion, but I don't think you can say that ALL spiders spin with such authority without knowing the basis of all breeders out there and their work with spiders. Yes, working with one large breeder is experience, but it is still only one breeder who either has or hasn't concentrated his efforts into breeding for less wobble.


On to the "spiders all came from one WC male", yes that's true, but spiders are also one of the most outcrossed animals out there. How many people honestly put two spiders together? Not very many that's for sure.

I believe most people breed them to normals because what fun is it in breeding two spiders when there is no super form?

It is possible to breed out bad genes, but it takes time and many generations of very selective educated breeding to accomplish that small task. Can spiders even be separated from the wobble? I don't know, but I do believe there is progress being made with more and more people choosing to breed those that don't wobble, or wobble very little when excited.

The wobble may even be created by the way the gene works, like it withholds a certain protein the cells need, or the migration of nerve cells is interrupted in some way by the presence of this gene. We just don't have those answers.
Connie I have a lot of respect for you, but Allison is coming from a first hand experience with more spiders than many of us have had the chance to see. I have also personally read a post that Ralph Davis claims they are all tweaked to one extent or another.
Here is a link to the post, and if you are not a member of the RDR forum it is worth signing up just to read this post.
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/fo...?TOPIC_ID=9716

Also, there is a consensus that not all spiders are as bad as the next one. At the same time they all have the potential to produce some tweaked out animals that may not display symptoms until they have long been with a new owner. How do my fellow hobbiest, plan for that type of customer service nightmare? The level of denial, when it comes to the issues with spiders, is amazing and the fact that they look so cool and make hot combos doesn't help.

There is no way to stop the spider train now but, I think there should be a disclaimer that comes along with them detailing the risk that new owners may face. I think this is even more important now since spiders are at a price level that is attractive to newcomers that may have no clue about the spider neuro issues. This has the potential to turn off new BP hobbiest that find their spider doing strange things....so they ask online and find out that this is an issue that has been disscussed for years..........at this point I'd be pretty upset that I purchased something and was not given all the info on the potential for a spider to tweak out!

There has been more than enough outcrossing with spiders, that if selective breeding were a solution then we would not keep having this disscussion about neuro impaired spiders.