Spiders are the only one for me. I am ok with caramels because most hatch out fine and I personally believe you can avoid most of the kinking problems by lowering incubation temps and outcrossing (I have only hatched 3 so I am not exactly an expert but all of them have been perfect to this point). If most spiders hatched out fine I would probably be ok with them but unfortunately that is not the case. I have purchased black pastels, but they are kind of on the borderline with me as far as breeding for supers. It may sound wierd, but I am actually a little more ok with small physical problems then I am with physiological problems.