Why are females more expensive?

[Freakie_frog]

I agree, it comes down to supply and demand, and as far as $$$ goes females win.

But wouldn't you agree that at least genetically, mainly in regard to being able to pass on valuable genes more readily than females, the males are more valuable?

I wouldn't say so as a breeder your Females are your life line in a controlled market those who produce control the flow of product in the market if one male can breed 5-10 females and say each female produces and average of 6 eggs that's 60 eggs from a co-dom say 30 will be morphs at say an average of 200.00 a baby that's 6000.00 revenue. Now If I make females more expensive where every Joe on the block can surplus stock pile them. Then I control the number of animals produced not only by me but by others as well which maintains the market value. i.e. The fewer there are the more they are worth. The genetics has nothing to do with it, its the long term potential impact on value that's taken into effect

[simplechamp]

A spider male could breed to a female mojo, a female lesser, a female pastel, and a female fire in the same season and help produce a bunch of combo morphs. That spider male enabled 4 clutches of combo morphs

A female spider could be bred by one morph male. That spider female enabled one clutch of combo morphs.

Which one was able to pass on it's genes most readily and able to contribute to creating the most combo morphs? That's what I am trying to say, males can pass on there genes to a large number of clutches per season and females can only pass genes to their one clutch.

It's off topic from the monetary value question now, this is just genetically speaking. I know why females are more valuable in regard to $$$

[Freakie_frog]

A spider male could breed to a female mojo, a female lesser, a female pastel, and a female fire in the same season and help produce a bunch of combo morphs. That spider male enabled 4 clutches of combo morphs

A female spider could be bred by one morph male. That spider female enabled one clutch of combo morphs.

Which one was able to pass on it's genes most readily and able to contribute to creating the most combo morphs? That's what I am trying to say, males can pass on there genes to a large number of clutches per season and females can only pass genes to their one clutch.

Correct but look at it this way if females only gave one or two eggs they'd be cheaper. But take for example my last clutch 11 eggs 8 of which are spiders. Now who was more important the male that pass 1/2 its genetic material to each offspring or the female that produce the 11 off spring. If it was the male could secure a certain number of baby's they'd cost more. But since the female determines the number of baby's they are the greater part of the puzzle. From a business and cost stand point

[JLC]

That's kind of like saying, "What's more important...the seed or the fruit?" You have to have the seed to create the fruit...one seed can produce hundreds of fruit...whereas one piece of fruit may produce only a few seeds. But you can't have one without the other...so how could one be more valuable? You use them differently, but each is 100% dependent on the other.

Maybe consider starting with the question, "How many clutches do I want this year?" If you want FIVE clutches, then you are going to need FIVE females. I don't care if you have the most beautiful male morph with five different co-dom genes going on inside of him....he won't get you five clutches if you only have one female.

[simplechamp]

Correct but look at it this way if females only gave one or two eggs they'd be cheaper. But take for example my last clutch 11 eggs 8 of which are spiders. Now who was more important the male that pass 1/2 its genetic material to each offspring or the female that produce the 11 off spring. If it was the male could secure a certain number of baby's they'd cost more. But since the female determines the number of baby's they are the greater part of the puzzle. From a business and cost stand point

Now we are really going into a "which came first the snake or the egg?" question! The female would never be able to produce offspring without the male, and the male couldn't pass his genes without the female.

A male can be responsible for helping producing 5 11 egg clutches, a female can be responsible for producing 1 11 egg clutch.

We better stop before we create a paradox logic loop that creates a wormhole and sucks us into another universe

I gotta go have some breakfast before my brain explodes!

[JLC]

We better stop before we create a paradox logic loop that creates a wormhole and sucks us into another universe

I always wanted to visit another universe!

[simplechamp]

And in that universe males will be worth more and I can be right once and for all, lol

Bizarro world! Norms are $15,000 and pastel ghost mojave fire womas breed out in the wild

[Beardedragon]

I cant see were your getting at, if you have one female where as youd have one male, and have ten males of the same morph, you can breed them all to that one girl but your still going to get the same amount of that same morph as breeding one male to ten females. Whats the point of buying one male of the same morph other than a back up or het something?

[simplechamp]

I never argued for having multiple males of the same morph. That's not what I was saying at all.

Everyone's made it very clear, I understand females are more valuable, I'm just saying males are more efficient at passing on their genetics. They can pass genetics to many clutches per season whereas females can only pass their genetics to one clutch per season. That's all I'm saying, no relation to market value or rarity or how desirable they are to a breeder.

[Adam_Wysocki]

They can pass genetics to many clutches per season whereas females can only pass their genetics to one clutch per season.

If you have a het albino male, you NEED het albino or albino females to make albinos ... you don't need normal females to make albinos (because you can't make albinos with normal females) and buying more het albino males is pretty pointless ... so if you own a het albino male and you want to make albinos, albino females and het albino females are more valuable to you than het albino males or even albino males will ever be. As a matter of fact, if you owned a het albino male, it would almost be impossible for a breeder to sell you a het albino male even at a super cheap price ... but if you own a het albino male and a breeder had het albino females for a little more than their het albino males and you had the money to spend ... you might think about it. The breeder is asking a little more for his het albino females because there are 100's of people out there with het albino males all looking for het albino females to make albinos with and the breeder sells them pretty easily. Unfortunately for the breeder, the list of people looking for just a het albino male is pretty small.

Using your logic, sure, you can make 50% possible het albinos all day long. But producing an albino in the long run is far more valuable than any profit realized from all of the possible hets that you produce combined.

-adam