Oh my god, please not IBD.

[catawhat75]

Wow, I am so sorry for what you are going through. I can't add much to what has been said but if you have a paypal addy so I can help out with the bill, pm it to me.

[Peter Williams]

Hey peter... very late on this thread and I cannot offer enough condolences.

I have to say I concur with the thoughts surrounding IBD as being faster than that. Often larger breeders will place a hatchling male BP in with a boa before bringing it out of QT... as the python will die before the QT is up.

Sorry for the graphic and not so popular image, but many of us know that is done.

My fear though, and my caution... and I really hate even suggesting it. But the show Aug 10th in Mtl. Is there a chance you brought something home with you accidentally?

Or something intentional? Supplies, feeders, etc. that may have come into contact with this baby snake and may not have been 100% sanitized? If her immune system was already compromised it may have sped things up for her.

I am not sure if you remember a thread on R-Canada regarding an individual's snake that was accidentally poisoned by the active ingredient in Nix and displayed very similar symptons to IBD? If I remember this happened before they got the snake and the effective was cumulative and did not show up immediately.

You mentioned no mites, no treatments, so just asking... did you treat an enclosure or anything that may have possibly come into contact with her.

Just grasping here.

The other concern would be if the second snake is showing symptons of an advanced RI, then very carefully trace your QT and handling procedures within your snake room.

What tools are used on what snakes, any shared tubs, shared cleaning areas, etc.

My heart goes out to you Peter.

Bruce

Now wait a minute, I DID treat all these snakes with a home made Nixx remedy. The morning of the expo I got them, I sprayed all the enclosures (not water bowls or hides, just the newspaper substate) The enclosures aired out while I was at the expo, and I put them in when I got home, this was in april however. And I don't think I brought anything home with me from the expo, but if it is from then, I hope you didn't accidentally get anything too.

[Peter Williams]

lets pray that it is only from the assist feeding and malnutrition rather than ibd.. I have delt with rodentkings before for feeders with no problems on multiple occasions, my freezer is still stocked up. I saw they were selling CH babies and I was almost tempted to buy some but I decided I would rather not.. I am kinda glad at this point. as for guelph, they send it to the university, you can actually take it yourself and it will probably be cheaper.. I seem to remember a post by corey woods about where its located.. that was on reptilescanada if your going to search it..

Good luck and I hope your collection is not at risk of IBD.
Richard

I have a friend leaving for University (Guelph) next saturday (the 30th) and he could take it but that seems like to long for the body to wait in my fridge.

[Peter Williams]

In regards to the snake I thought had an RI, perhaps this was an isolated incident. I know its not normal for a bp to excrete mucous, but I did startle the hell out of her and she had eaten probably a hour before. She is not weezing or popping or anything. Could it just have been extra saliva from the feeding? The snake in question is one of my healthiest ones, one of the rat eaters.

[wilomn]

In regards to the snake I thought had an RI, perhaps this was an isolated incident. I know its not normal for a bp to excrete mucous, but I did startle the hell out of her and she had eaten probably a hour before. She is not weezing or popping or anything. Could it just have been extra saliva from the feeding? The snake in question is one of my healthiest ones, one of the rat eaters.

It could be. It is especially likely if she had just had a drink of water. You know how their saliva gets very viscous just after drinking. That could look a lot like mucus, especially if you're already on edge.

[Peter Williams]

It could be. It is especially likely if she had just had a drink of water. You know how their saliva gets very viscous just after drinking. That could look a lot like mucus, especially if you're already on edge.

That does sound very likely, the saliva was crystal clear if that makes any difference. Thank you for putting my mind at ease on that one. She will however remain quarantined from the rest of the group until I get things sorted out. And maybe her "star gazing" was just her putting her head up to drink the water? Similar to when swallowing a prey item?

[Mike Cavanaugh]

Dude, go to bed. You can't do anything else tonight.

[Bruce Whitehead]

Now wait a minute, I DID treat all these snakes with a home made Nixx remedy. The morning of the expo I got them, I sprayed all the enclosures (not water bowls or hides, just the newspaper substate) The enclosures aired out while I was at the expo, and I put them in when I got home, this was in april however. And I don't think I brought anything home with me from the expo, but if it is from then, I hope you didn't accidentally get anything too.

That long ago, then I cannot imagine it is still Nixx poisoning... so you're probably good.

And perhaps the "mucous" was just a nervous snake being startled and spitting up some water.

As you keep an eye on her, you should be able to get a feel for what is going on with her. RIs aren't hard to spot, esp. if they are at that stage. Best to watch her water dish...

Fingers crossed for you.

Bruce

[frankykeno]

Peter, don't wait and hold that snake's body. Get it to Guelph as soon as possible and in the best shape you can. If it is going to the University, you'll get a proper idea of what went on. Their reputation is one of the best in Canada so I'd be very confident in their findings. Again, well worth the money to my mind so you know truly what you are facing.

For now, there really isn't much you can do. I've no idea how long it will be until you get those results so the best and only thing you really can do is monitor the collection closely, keep strict QT and just go about your business (with reasonable restrictions of course). Please let us know what Guelph says.

[gmcclurelssu]

Wow, so much in so short of a time. I am very sorry for you man, this can't be easy. I'm praying for the best, you just hang in there!