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[Ginevive]

I hate PETA too I am a card carrying carnivore, yes. All of the meat that I eat though, I know its source. My husband hunts every year, and he is a dead shooter; he does not let a deer suffer. I have watched him on 3 hunts in the past year.. bam, that deer does not know what hit it. If you think that hunting is evil.. tell that to the wolves and tigers and other predators! Their ways of killing are much more inhumane than my husband shooting a deer with one shot. We cut them up and process the meat rigt here by ourselves.. I don't trust others' conditions.. after seeing a pretty large-scale deer-processing place.. yuck!
To go into discussing the types of deer that are hunted, you really need to have a knowledge of herd dynamics. Most he-man hunters that go out to hunt for antlers, the type that discards a nice meaty carcass and takes home the "horns.." those are not true woodsmen or women. At least take the carcass to a food bank or something.. Now back to what I was saying. A real hunter and woodsperson will take a limited amount of big bucks.. usually, by hubby just gets some Does, because the bucks are not large enough, and are still growing. People that will shoot at anything are just being imbeciles and not doing anything to help the herds IMO. If hunting were banned.. without having all of the natural predators that humans have killed off.. deer would be hugely overpopulated and sickly from starvation every winter.
We also get beef and pork from some friends of ours that farm. I can personally go see the animals that they raise at any time, and I am satisfied that their conditions are optimal. The beefers live their lives out in a huge pasture, with a shed if they want it. The hogs have outside access and clean quarters. They are taken to a local slaughtering plant that I have seen myself.
I try to make the smallest footprint on earth that I can. I figure this.. I never plan on having kids. So that in itself gives me some "woggle room" and that includes driving a somewhat uneconomical (though necessary 4x4) vehicle. I also get my power from infinite sources.. wind turbines!

[stangs13]

Oh, you know this for a fact, huh? From personal experience maybe?

Yep, and the last time I checked...a few hours ago might I add..the cow was pretty restless...we are in the process of weaning her calf and this means separating them, and in the short few hours they were apart milk can really build up and cause discomfort for the cow. This also happens Pre-birth.

[stangs13]

I hate PETA too I am a card carrying carnivore, yes. All of the meat that I eat though, I know its source. My husband hunts every year, and he is a dead shooter; he does not let a deer suffer. I have watched him on 3 hunts in the past year.. bam, that deer does not know what hit it. If you think that hunting is evil.. tell that to the wolves and tigers and other predators! Their ways of killing are much more inhumane than my husband shooting a deer with one shot. We cut them up and process the meat rigt here by ourselves.. I don't trust others' conditions.. after seeing a pretty large-scale deer-processing place.. yuck!
To go into discussing the types of deer that are hunted, you really need to have a knowledge of herd dynamics. Most he-man hunters that go out to hunt for antlers, the type that discards a nice meaty carcass and takes home the "horns.." those are not true woodsmen or women. At least take the carcass to a food bank or something.. Now back to what I was saying. A real hunter and woodsperson will take a limited amount of big bucks.. usually, by hubby just gets some Does, because the bucks are not large enough, and are still growing. People that will shoot at anything are just being imbeciles and not doing anything to help the herds IMO. If hunting were banned.. without having all of the natural predators that humans have killed off.. deer would be hugely overpopulated and sickly from starvation every winter.
We also get beef and pork from some friends of ours that farm. I can personally go see the animals that they raise at any time, and I am satisfied that their conditions are optimal. The beefers live their lives out in a huge pasture, with a shed if they want it. The hogs have outside access and clean quarters. They are taken to a local slaughtering plant that I have seen myself.
I try to make the smallest footprint on earth that I can. I figure this.. I never plan on having kids. So that in itself gives me some "woggle room" and that includes driving a somewhat uneconomical (though necessary 4x4) vehicle. I also get my power from infinite sources.. wind turbines!

Sweeet post!!!

[blackcrystal22]

I hate PETA too I am a card carrying carnivore, yes. All of the meat that I eat though, I know its source. My husband hunts every year, and he is a dead shooter; he does not let a deer suffer. I have watched him on 3 hunts in the past year.. bam, that deer does not know what hit it. If you think that hunting is evil.. tell that to the wolves and tigers and other predators! Their ways of killing are much more inhumane than my husband shooting a deer with one shot. We cut them up and process the meat rigt here by ourselves.. I don't trust others' conditions.. after seeing a pretty large-scale deer-processing place.. yuck!
To go into discussing the types of deer that are hunted, you really need to have a knowledge of herd dynamics. Most he-man hunters that go out to hunt for antlers, the type that discards a nice meaty carcass and takes home the "horns.." those are not true woodsmen or women. At least take the carcass to a food bank or something.. Now back to what I was saying. A real hunter and woodsperson will take a limited amount of big bucks.. usually, by hubby just gets some Does, because the bucks are not large enough, and are still growing. People that will shoot at anything are just being imbeciles and not doing anything to help the herds IMO. If hunting were banned.. without having all of the natural predators that humans have killed off.. deer would be hugely overpopulated and sickly from starvation every winter.
We also get beef and pork from some friends of ours that farm. I can personally go see the animals that they raise at any time, and I am satisfied that their conditions are optimal. The beefers live their lives out in a huge pasture, with a shed if they want it. The hogs have outside access and clean quarters. They are taken to a local slaughtering plant that I have seen myself.
I try to make the smallest footprint on earth that I can. I figure this.. I never plan on having kids. So that in itself gives me some "woggle room" and that includes driving a somewhat uneconomical (though necessary 4x4) vehicle. I also get my power from infinite sources.. wind turbines!

I'm glad that you have chosen to eat meat in such a responsible manner. To societies issue with animal treatment in farm factories, you're virtually a vegetarian. ;]

I have one thing to say about cow's milk, goat's milk etc.

They are created to raise THEIR young, not ours.

I rather raise my kids to be nuts... hence why we drink nut mylk!

Easy to make:

Take a cup or two of raw almonds, cashews, hazelnuts, sesame seeds... whatever mylk you want to make. Soak them overnight in water.

Next morning, drain off the water and place the nuts in your blender with a few cups of water (if you want a dash of salt, a little hemp/flax oil and even some agave or honey to sweeten although these are not necessary) - blend.

Strain the mylk and put the pulp back into your blender with more water. Blend.

Strain again. Now set the mylk in the fridge to chill and put the pulp in the freezer to use to make raw cookies later!

You will LOVE this mylk and it's soooooooooooooooooo good for you.

Mmmm. That sounds delicious! I'm not a big fan of milk in general, but I do like soy milk. That certainly sounds good! Thank you for the recipe. :]

Thanks for clearing what you meant by older for me!

While there are bad packing plants, feedlots, chicken houses, hog barns there are WAY more good ones. Its just like anything, the bad is more visible than the good. I speak from personal experience that those bad lots/houses/plants DON'T last long.

Very few chicken farmers inject GH into there chickens anymore. The standard broiler cross chicken will grow HUGE and weight around 8+ pounds in 6 weeks. And they will still be able to walk. But I am glad you see that there is more than just the bad that is shown. I really wish I could type forever on this subject as I am an agfreak, and my parents have worked and managed feedlots, hog barns, and at packing plants.


I am to used to seeing people that jump all over places like that because of what they see on TV, when they or the media have NO idea what they are talking about! But I am very glad you are an exception!

Thank you. I wish in the suburban/city areas it was easier to pick and choose, because I probably would. However, right now I'm not eating meat because of what is going on in those few factory farms. Even with the very good ones out there, I can't accept what the others are doing to the animals. :[
I didn't know that about GH! Interesting.

I can't say for a fact that it makes the cow/goat happy, but I do know that nowadays, cattle and goats have been selectively bred to produce more milk for a longer period of time, more than their calf or kids can drink. I do know that my goats willingly go onto the milk stand, and I know the dairy cattle become terribly uncomfortable and will "call" to their owner during milk time. Do they enjoy it? I have no idea, I'm not a goat/cow! And yes, milking properly and regularily and drying off properly prevents issues with the udder. Before someone says it, yes, a natural weaning of a kid/calf would do this as well, most of the time, but sadly in this world natural weanings are few and far between.

Yes, we humans are a bit weird in this aspect, but it sure seems like you need milk for so many darn things. So I do the best I can by providing the best care for my goats and never buying milk or milk products that come from those poor cows in the commercial dairies.

I highly agree with you Epona, couldn't have said it better myself.

As for the whole organic vs inorganic milk thing I have a couple things to say about that.
Well first of all, there are other ways of treating illnesses other than antibiotics. Many of which are natural.
When someone says that organic farms don't use pesticides, they are more than wrong. They use lots of pesticides, but all of the pesticides they use are organic and safe for the environment.
It's the same with organic dairy cows. If one gets sick it may not be treated with antibiotics, but it could be healed with something completely organic 'certified'. :]
Remember, some of the most dangerous chemicals out there are 'organic' or 'natural'.

Just my 2c on the subject. I don't like milk anyway but I do think organic tastes richer and fuller than normal milk, as well as it not being homogenized and pasteurized.

[kc261]

I don't like milk anyway but I do think organic tastes richer and fuller than normal milk, as well as it not being homogenized and pasteurized.

Just to clarify for those who may not know, the organic milk sold in regular grocery stores IS homogenized and pasteurized. I believe there are places where you can buy raw organic milk, but I have never seen it in a mainstream store.

[blackcrystal22]

Just to clarify for those who may not know, the organic milk sold in regular grocery stores IS homogenized and pasteurized. I believe there are places where you can buy raw organic milk, but I have never seen it in a mainstream store.

Trader Joes sells Organic unhomogenized and unpasteurized milk. It doesn't last as long and you have to shake it up before you pour it. :]

[4theSNAKElady]

There are actually certified organic meats from animals that were raised on cruelty-free farms, and some meat products such as eggs are free range and cage free. Perhaps you can go out and get a vegan cookbook or an organic cookbook, and when you find a recipe you really like, make a large portion of it to put in the freezer for future meals. This will add some variety to your diet and you can save a lot of money that way too! I am in waya vegetarian, but I have a kick ass recipe for a vegetable chili that calls for millet (yes, millet!) that amazingly tastes like it has meat in it!

[4theSNAKElady]

Aleesha, what is the recipe for this delicious-good-for-you "green smoothie" you mention?