Breeding with a Normal BP + Other

[soy.lor.n]

The reason is because it's not been shown to have a super form. If one ever appears, it will be re-classified.

The really interesting debate has yet to come up, which is how you know which gene a particular co-dominant morph resides on. There very well could be a number of double-co-dominant supers that simply cannot exist because the different "morphs" are just mutated alleles of the same gene, and thus cannot appear homozygous in the same animal together.

I just meant for the example on that website...why not use something that has been proved dominant
I mean, it doesn't matter really...

That is an interesting point...I'm all into thinking about all kinds of weird things that could happen with genetics
it's always easier though to make things happen when you're selectively breeding (clearly not what you're saying, but I mean things like crossover and other random chance kind of things)

[ctrlfreq]

I just meant for the example on that website...why not use something that has been proved dominant

I don't believe there is a way to truly prove a morph to be dominant without a BP genome map, which we don't have. It's the same way we consider all co-dom morphs to be distinct, when it's possible a number of them may just be different mutations of the same gene (like flower petal colors).

[Stewart_Reptiles]

OK, so all the babies would be normal looking (Normal x Albino).

Then if I bred a male and female from that clutch they'd all be albino/ or 50/50

I will have a look at those sites a bit later, I'm working right now so only have time to have a quick look at any replies - reading and digesting will come later

If you breed your normal male to a female albino I would recommend you to hold back one of the male offspring and breed him back to mom this way you would produce 50% Albino and 50% Het Albino.

This would take less time and it would also give you better odds compare to your original idea of breeding sibling together!

[soy.lor.n]

I don't believe there is a way to truly prove a morph to be dominant without a BP genome map, which we don't have. It's the same way we consider all co-dom morphs to be distinct, when it's possible a number of them may just be different mutations of the same gene (like flower petal colors).

yeah I kind of felt that way too, but that website said that it would probably be proved soon, and they really only mentioned that spiders weren't proved dominant

plus I've heard lots of people say that it's believed that homozygous spiders are unable to survive, but I don't know what the real deal is with that

[Bundu Boy]

Shew, now you guys are getting heavy!

I gotta start reading up on this some more

I like Deborah's post, Layman is my friend at the moment. So would that principle be the same with breeding a normal male to any morph?

Normal male bred to morph female, keep a baby boy and breed with the mum to get 50% morph / 50% Het...

[soy.lor.n]

Shew, now you guys are getting heavy!

I gotta start reading up on this some more

I like Deborah's post, Layman is my friend at the moment. So would that principle be the same with breeding a normal male to any morph?

Normal male bred to morph female, keep a baby boy and breed with the mum to get 50% morph / 50% Het...

no
you should read that link that was posted earlier. Like I said before, it depends on the specific morph. So if you have a question about what you get if you breed any particular morph, then you should ask and we'll help you out.
It's hard at first to figure out which morphs are recessive, dominant, or co-dominant
and then if you throw combos in there it's even worse!

that said, if you breed a normal with a visual recessive morph animal (doesn't matter which sex is which) then you get 100% hets
if you breed a recessive het to a visual recessive morph (for the same trait, of course) then you get 50% chance for the morph and 50% chance for normals in each clutch (doesn't matter what relation the parents are to each other- all that matters is that they have compatible genes, although inbreeding over many generations can cause problems)

again, I recommend you read that link posted on the first page, and also the one I posted about the punnett square, because if you learn that, you'll know how to figure it all out yourself

[soy.lor.n]

here, this is really good for explaining how to do the punnet squares

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/genetics_intro.html

keep in mind that, for snakes, if the trait is recessive, it only shows up if the gene is aa
if the trait is dominant, it shows up for NA or AA (that's why it's called dominant, because it dominates over the normal gene)
and if it's co-dominant it shows up for NA but shows up as a *super* for AA (so that's like pastel vs super pastel)

also I'll just refer you to all three of the first threads here lol http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/f...splay.php?f=64
that's where I started, so it's coming highly recommended

[Bundu Boy]

Gotcha Soy

You'll have to bare with me on this. I've only right now had a chance to look at that Markus Jayne site, so you'll forgive me if I'm still trying to understand the basics.

You mention specific Morphs - I see that these depend on the gene type, Recessive, Co-Dominant, or Dominant. So depending on the morph type would determine the offspring variation...

I'm gonna read through the Genetics 1 on 1

[soy.lor.n]

Gotcha Soy

You'll have to bare with me on this. I've only right now had a chance to look at that Markus Jayne site, so you'll forgive me if I'm still trying to understand the basics.

You mention specific Morphs - I see that these depend on the gene type, Recessive, Co-Dominant, or Dominant. So depending on the morph type would determine the offspring variation...

I'm gonna read through the Genetics 1 on 1

no problem, I'm just glad you're taking the time to learn!
I know I have a tendency a) to be sarcastic and b) to be longwinded lol
so don't think I'm getting frustrated or being rude or anything, I don't mean to be!

[Bundu Boy]

No sweat...

I've dealt with people a lot more sarcastic and longwinded and I don't suffer fools gladly myself very often so I can relate

I'll be bck with more q's to keep this thread going.... till then keep on