JnJ Reptiles

[BT41042]

Can I just ask, does it bother anyone else that their 'motto' is 'specializing in high quality CB reptiles' when that doesn't seem to be their specialty at all??

This would be the primary reason I've never hit them up. That said, look them up on fauna and go with your gut.

Cheers,
Kat

Yes it does...Tosha refers to them as "brokers" but in my book they are flippers...How can you specialize in high quality CB reptiles when you don't breed your animals - Your buying other breeders animals wholesale...I've always been fascinated why people would buy from flippers...Your paying more by going thru a flipper (some people may call them middle men) and IMO your not getting a "high quality" animal...I'm curious about flippers QT practises too...How can you have a good QT procedure when your constantly bringing in other breeders animals to flip? Flippers [stink] in my book but that's just me...
BT

[Blue Apple Herps]

Yes it does...Tosha refers to them as "brokers" but in my book they are flippers...How can you specialize in high quality CB reptiles when you don't breed your animals - Your buying other breeders animals wholesale...I've always been fascinated why people would buy from flippers...Your paying more by going thru a flipper (some people may call them middle men) and IMO your not getting a "high quality" animal...I'm curious about flippers QT practises too...How can you have a good QT procedure when your constantly bringing in other breeders animals to flip? Flippers [stink] in my book but that's just me...
BT

"Not getting a high quality animal"? Have you bought from them to draw on experiences? Lets say I bought a killer bp from Adam @ 8ballpythons, but turned around and sold it to someone else, is the animal all of a sudden not high quality? Of course not, its still the same animal. Your whole premise that because they didn't breed them they can't be high quality is, to be honest, ridiculous.

I have had an actual transaction with them, and the animal I got is thriving, 100% healthy, and is just as high of a quality pinstripe of any other one I've seen.

[BT41042]

"Not getting a high quality animal"? Have you bought from them to draw on experiences? Lets say I bought a killer bp from Adam @ 8ballpythons, but turned around and sold it to someone else, is the animal all of a sudden not high quality? Of course not, its still the same animal. Your whole premise that because they didn't breed them they can't be high quality is, to be honest, ridiculous.

I have had an actual transaction with them, and the animal I got is thriving, 100% healthy, and is just as high of a quality pinstripe of any other one I've seen.

Have I bought from them? Nope and never will - Just like I won't buy from Ed Clark, Alan Belcher (Big Daddy's Wholesale), ect...It's because I don't buy from flippers, brokers, middle men or whatever you wish to call them...I buy from actual breeders who produce their own animals...You know - Selectively bred for quality not mass produced to be wholesaled...Mass producing to wholesale is NOT producing quality animals IMO but you may think different...How about this - Maybe they should change the whole "Specializing in high quality CB reptiles" to "Specializing in flipping someone else's high quality CB reptiles"......Glad your Pin is doing good but hate to hear you support flippers...Just my two cents...
BT

[Gloryhound]

While I have never had business with them I have to add that people who specialize in finding things do have their uses. If you are looking for a particular morph and have certain requirements and are willing to spend more they can do the foot work for you as long as they know the product and business. Also they can sometimes get you a deal if they are high enough volume dealers that they get discounts and choose to pass them along. Additionally they have probably dealt with more breeders than most of the rest of us and probably understand what "John Smith" breeder is truely saying when he says this snake is a 9 on the scale of 1 to 10. One breeders 9 may not stack up next to another breeders 5!

With this said if they are actually providing the above services and actually inspecting the product and running breeders down for you then they may very well be worth dealing with.

[Gary Orner]

You know - Selectively bred for quality not mass produced to be wholesaled

Brian Produces over 30,000 snakes a year right? Do you think he sells everyone of them to people looking just for one animal? NO. He wholesales a lot. I would say he has some awesome animals.

I do not get some people needing to put down another company to try to get ahead. I seen the called "flippers" and many other names. It is a simple as brokering the animals.

WHO CARES. If the person is honest and the animals are healthy what does it matter.

I breed and I broker. I have some breeders that want me to sell their animals. It is easier for them they say. And I do not mind doing that at all for certain people.

To say all brokers are bad is being foolish. I know people that breed and offer down right bad animals. Rip people off and so forth. I know brokers the same way but there also great brokers and breeders.

I have also bred animals for my customers as they could not pick them up for a few months. I will be getting the babies. I guess that is bad..........

Just becuase the animal was not bred by the person selling it does not mean it is not a great animal. I have bought off Brian and Lori. I have sold them animals. Are they bad animals? NO not at all.

I just do not get the put downs that some throw around. There are bad breeders and bad brokers. And to tell you the truth............. You would be suprized of the people that have brokered in the past or still do. But no need to name names so they can be shot down for no reason.

J&J has always been honest with me and when I ask him about an animal he has always given me all the info he has. what more can you ask for?

Broker does not = bad animals
Breeder does not = great animals

Use your head and look at the animals. Quality is quality.

[BT41042]

Save me your BS Gary...You want to flip then flip...I never said J&J were "bad guys"...Kat ask a question and I gave my opinion...I said and I'll say it again...I buy from breeders not flippers...You want to name drop - Give me a break...You don't think I don't have racks full of animals from Brian - Don't act like Brian's operation is the norm...I just don't buy wholesale lots from Brian to flip...Why pay you extra coin when I could go straight to the cow...As common as BP morphs are and as many are available I ain't supporting a flipper...I don't care how honest some "broker" he is still a broker...You don't like my opinion tuff [turkey]....
BT

[twh]

well said gary,it's refreshing to see some people "think outside of the bun".

[JoshJP7]

I'm with BT on this one... Its a personal decison who you buy from and he has good reasoning why he chooses not to buy from people who flip. I agree that there are so many other breeders out there who have quality animals for sale so why mess with a middle man? I dont have anything against people who flip... J&J may be great people with great animals for sale (coming from BHB) but its your personal decision who your money goes to....

For example I think its wrong to stuff a snake every week just to get it to breeding weight in a yr or 2... for that reason I wont purchase from anyone who openly states that they breed their snakes young (females are my main concern)... Doesnt mean they dont have quality animals or arnt great people I just personally disagree with their care/breeding methods so I'm not going to support their projects... Its the same situation with BT and flippers.

If your cool with flippers and cool with people who stuff their snakes so they can breed early then buy from em but dont hate the people who choose not to for good reasons.

[josh@outbackreps]

BT / KAT

Where do I start....

Our banner: we carry a large variety of the highest quality c.b animals, from boas, to balls, carpets, and colubrids. To be honest we buy from some of the best breeders around so can offer the best quality animals. We do sell c.h specials, and odd ball imports, and they have become a big part of our business, as we have one of the best varieties of specials around.

95% of our animals come from 1 breeder/supplier, and he is one of the best in the county. The animals he doesn't produce, he buys from other breeders, such as Brian. Flippers, do not suck, there are some less than honest people who resell animals, but that is why you do your research. Just like there are plenty of less than honest breeders.
When my animals come from Ian G, I know I am getting the BEST quality around, at the best price.

As for paying more from us, I doubt you will find prices much better than ours, we buy $10,000 - $20,000 worth of animals per order, when you buy that kind of order prices are a lot better than 1 animal from a breeder. You can buy 1 corn snake for $25 from a breeder, or I can buy 100 from the same breeder for $8, and sell it for a better price than they would.

This year we have balls and boas breeding, we have 3 clutches of ball eggs from a bumble bee bee or new line cinny male (used them both) and 3 more on the way. We have a albino x calico boa litter due around May 14-20 too.

So when my clients produce a clutch of butters from a male they bought from a private breeder, and dont want to deal with selling them out 1 at a time, and we buy them all, the quality doesn't drop, it is the same snake just at a better price, and we have more time to put into them as we do this full time.

Say what you want but know what you are talking about first.

[Patrick Long]

BT / KAT

Where do I start....

Our banner: we carry a large variety of the highest quality c.b animals, from boas, to balls, carpets, and colubrids. To be honest we buy from some of the best breeders around so can offer the best quality animals. We do sell c.h specials, and odd ball imports, and they have become a big part of our business, as we have one of the best varieties of specials around.

95% of our animals come from 1 breeder/supplier, and he is one of the best in the county. The animals he doesn't produce, he buys from other breeders, such as Brian. Flippers, do not suck, there are some less than honest people who resell animals, but that is why you do your research. Just like there are plenty of less than honest breeders.
When my animals come from Ian G, I know I am getting the BEST quality around, at the best price.

As for paying more from us, I doubt you will find prices much better than ours, we buy $10,000 - $20,000 worth of animals per order, when you buy that kind of order prices are a lot better than 1 animal from a breeder. You can buy 1 corn snake for $25 from a breeder, or I can buy 100 from the same breeder for $8, and sell it for a better price than they would.

This year we have balls and boas breeding, we have 3 clutches of ball eggs from a bumble bee bee or new line cinny male (used them both) and 3 more on the way. We have a albino x calico boa litter due around May 14-20 too.

So when my clients produce a clutch of butters from a male they bought from a private breeder, and dont want to deal with selling them out 1 at a time, and we buy them all, the quality doesn't drop, it is the same snake just at a better price, and we have more time to put into them as we do this full time.

Say what you want but know what you are talking about first.

I think that was a very professional post right there. Id do business with ya!